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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:22 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Buckenara's on the train
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There is something special building at Carlton.

The improvement in the group as a whole and from specific players under new coach David Teague in the second half of the season was exactly what every Carlton supporter has wanted to see since the start of 2018.

There were serious concerns early this season but the enthusiasm Teague has been able to instil in the playing group and across the club in a short period, plus the development of several players, means there are exciting times ahead.

Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Kennedy, David Cuningham and Jack Silvagni were among those who took a step forward, rather than continuing to go backwards.

The challenge for the players and coaches is to keep that improvement and positivity going over summer and channel it into a huge pre-season so they can hit the ground running in 2020 and bank early wins.

The list is in great shape.

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Carlton should be a far more consistent team in 2020 and be much harder to beat. Immediate improvement under Teague should see them in the finals mix as soon as next year, especially if they have luck with injuries, but playing finals in 2021-22 is probably a more realistic expectation.

I think the Blues can seriously challenge for the premiership as soon as 2021.

Let's hope he's right. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:46 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Buckenara's on the train
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There is something special building at Carlton.

The improvement in the group as a whole and from specific players under new coach David Teague in the second half of the season was exactly what every Carlton supporter has wanted to see since the start of 2018.

There were serious concerns early this season but the enthusiasm Teague has been able to instil in the playing group and across the club in a short period, plus the development of several players, means there are exciting times ahead.

Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Kennedy, David Cuningham and Jack Silvagni were among those who took a step forward, rather than continuing to go backwards.

The challenge for the players and coaches is to keep that improvement and positivity going over summer and channel it into a huge pre-season so they can hit the ground running in 2020 and bank early wins.

The list is in great shape.

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Carlton should be a far more consistent team in 2020 and be much harder to beat. Immediate improvement under Teague should see them in the finals mix as soon as next year, especially if they have luck with injuries, but playing finals in 2021-22 is probably a more realistic expectation.

I think the Blues can seriously challenge for the premiership as soon as 2021.

Let's hope he's right. :thumbsup:


Nah, clearly Bucky hasn't been paying attention to the WAFL ... our list is flowered!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:24 pm 
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The thing about making positive public statements in the media about Carlton now when you were slagging them off not so long ago (hello Kane Cornes) is that you can’t lose.

If we make the finals next year then you’re a @#$%&! genius in the eyes of the average footy follower who’s still wondering how to get the sauce out of the container and onto their pie.

But if we don’t make the finals next year then you get to sink the boots in and make all sorts of comments about how we [REDACTED] it all up and underachieved.

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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:43 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Buckenara's on the train
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There is something special building at Carlton.

The improvement in the group as a whole and from specific players under new coach David Teague in the second half of the season was exactly what every Carlton supporter has wanted to see since the start of 2018.

There were serious concerns early this season but the enthusiasm Teague has been able to instil in the playing group and across the club in a short period, plus the development of several players, means there are exciting times ahead.

Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Kennedy, David Cuningham and Jack Silvagni were among those who took a step forward, rather than continuing to go backwards.

The challenge for the players and coaches is to keep that improvement and positivity going over summer and channel it into a huge pre-season so they can hit the ground running in 2020 and bank early wins.

The list is in great shape.

******************

Carlton should be a far more consistent team in 2020 and be much harder to beat. Immediate improvement under Teague should see them in the finals mix as soon as next year, especially if they have luck with injuries, but playing finals in 2021-22 is probably a more realistic expectation.

I think the Blues can seriously challenge for the premiership as soon as 2021.


Hmmmm. Buckenara also very recently thought Mick Malthouse would be a great cultural fit to lead Gold Coast in some way. Bit of a worry. Did he space out in 2013-15?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:55 pm 
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GWS wrote:
The thing about making positive public statements in the media about Carlton now when you were slagging them off not so long ago (hello Kane Cornes) is that you can’t lose.

If we make the finals next year then you’re a @#$%&! genius in the eyes of the average footy follower who’s still wondering how to get the sauce out of the container and onto their pie.

But if we don’t make the finals next year then you get to sink the boots in and make all sorts of comments about how we [REDACTED] it all up and underachieved.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Every year at this time we get the same thing from the media ... whinging about how long the trade period goes for. Who cares ... come in the end if you don't want to hear whats going on before ... or maybe they just don't want to be there. Well ... bad luck! The trade period is not there to make the media happy. Deals will happen when they happen ... there's no urgency ... even the preseason is a long way off ... lol. If managers and clubs are slow ... bad luck. Its fortunate they don't work in the USA where the trade period really goes on forever. Tonight it was Kings turn to have a moan. Go to sleep ... and wake up at the end if you don't like it. :hitcomputer: :donk: :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:34 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Every year at this time we get the same thing from the media ... whinging about how long the trade period goes for. Who cares ... come in the end if you don't want to hear whats going on before ... or maybe they just don't want to be there. Well ... bad luck! The trade period is not there to make the media happy. Deals will happen when they happen ... there's no urgency ... even the preseason is a long way off ... lol. If managers and clubs are slow ... bad luck. Its fortunate they don't work in the USA where the trade period really goes on forever. Tonight it was Kings turn to have a moan. Go to sleep ... and wake up at the end if you don't like it. :hitcomputer: :donk: :banghead:


Trade period is the finals series for the bottom teams that helps sell hope and memberships to those teams.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:01 pm 
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Just watched the 1972 GF for the welftieth time.
A number of things stood out.
1 umpire but he did a better job than most of today's crop.
the boys played on from frees and marks about 90% of the time.
Long kicks were the order of the day. Why? Because we had three marking forwards close to goal who were organised and didn't get in each other's way. The ball transitioned quickly from stoppages by foot to allow one on one marking contests in many cases close to goal.
We are in the same situation with the tall forwards atm and the 6-6-6 rule with Cripps and co winning clearances, we might just be able to play a similar game style in the front half of the field.
The issue with the modern game is the handball to kick ratio based largely on a lack of desire to go to one on one contests in space (apart from Richmond who do it all the time). The mindset nor is to not turn the footy over, whereas back then it was a matter of if you turn it over you have to get it back.
I watched it because it is the best footage alive of Big Nick.
The other thing that struck me was the way Southby kicked barrel after barrel all day and only miss hit one. Once again, the mindset is different at the kick out now but back then the FB kicked long to a contest featuring the rucks. Now it's all about the second possession but I wonder if a contest on the wing is better than a contest on the HBF. I am sure Teague has seen every game ever played as part of his personal development as a coach. Great game to revisit.
Those were the days. Bring on the next golden era.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:45 pm 
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I am wondering about effectively swapping Daisy for Eddie (again). Daisy paying probably his best footy for us and Eddie on the decline.
I like Eddie and happy to have him back - but it appears strange. Dropping Daisy (and keeping Simmo) kind of made sense at the time but it makes less sense now that we have (probably) replaced him with a 33 year old. The idea of a 'leadership' and 'mentoring' role sounds good but is pretty vague - is he that good a leader?
Not that fussed because he will come cheap. Just seems odd.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:13 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
I am wondering about effectively swapping Daisy for Eddie (again). Daisy paying probably his best footy for us and Eddie on the decline.
I like Eddie and happy to have him back - but it appears strange. Dropping Daisy (and keeping Simmo) kind of made sense at the time but it makes less sense now that we have (probably) replaced him with a 33 year old. The idea of a 'leadership' and 'mentoring' role sounds good but is pretty vague - is he that good a leader?
Not that fussed because he will come cheap. Just seems odd.

Daisy and Eddie play completely different positions, so I don’t think it’s a case of one replacing the other.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:38 pm 
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FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:00 pm 
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GWS wrote:
FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:28 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
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FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

Most of which were at the beginning of the year and dropped in the latter part.

I am aware of the feel good factor and hope there is more than just the on field role.

And I certainly hope he has given up the smokes if we are talking leadership.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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jezzarules wrote:
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FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

If Eddie had played for us last year and kicked 12 goals against Gold Coast early in the season (funnily enough the week after we needed him), we would have won by 12 goals...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:15 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
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FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

Most of which were at the beginning of the year and dropped in the latter part.... as their year fell away due to a lack of trust between the players and coaches.


Betts will be Betts and kick plenty of goals and take the younger players with him for the ride.

He will be an uplifting factor, and no a hinderance.

If players can step up because of the Betts influence, he's done his job.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:31 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
GWS wrote:
FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

Most of which were at the beginning of the year and dropped in the latter part.... as their year fell away due to a lack of trust between the players and coaches.


Betts will be Betts and kick plenty of goals and take the younger players with him for the ride.

He will be an uplifting factor, and no a hinderance.

If players can step up because of the Betts influence, he's done his job.

Och Laddie.
I agree he'll no be a hindrance.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:52 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
GWS wrote:
FFS the guy kicked 37 goals last year!

12 of which against Gold Coast so only 25 real goals, apparently

Most of which were at the beginning of the year and dropped in the latter part.... as their year fell away due to a lack of trust between the players and coaches.


Betts will be Betts and kick plenty of goals and take the younger players with him for the ride.

He will be an uplifting factor, and no a hinderance.

If players can step up because of the Betts influence, he's done his job.

Och Laddie.
I agree he'll no be a hindrance.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:00 am 
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Kept hearing there was a big bodied mid interested in coming to Carlton.
I thought it was Viney, and maybe it was.

Just reported on SEN that the Wines camp approached Carlton.
Destination club.

Carlton looked at it and what they were likely to cough up and decided not to pursue.
Obviously next year's first rounder plus a player?
Maybe if Papley wasn't likely, pick 9 this year and a future 2nd???

Was it run past the players as it is being reported?...don't believe this part...maybe it was run past Cripps???

I'll be happy with Papley Martin and Betts in this trade period.

Keep the group together, and reload for next year's FA and likely more requests to play for Carlton when we will have 2020 and 2021 First rounder for a BIG Trade.

Next year we will have Simpson retire, Polson, Lang, ODwyer and Levi in line for delisting or trade (assuming Philips is off to the Drug cheats). We can keep the young list together for another 2 years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:03 pm 
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Welcome back home Eddie.

Happy 20-20 everyone :gift:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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So it sounds like we're going to get Marc Pittonet to replace Phillips. His stats look shit. Anyone know anything about him?

https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-14/op ... to-carlton


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