List Management 2020

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:26 am

We haven't had a decent jailbird player since Nicholls.
We need to scour cells across the land for the next Pickett or Krakoeur.
It's hard to have a 'no flower' policy and have a team that looks like Richmond at the same time.

Rod Spooky Galt · **Joined:** Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:31 pm **Posts:** 1385

Carlton give: future first round pick and 40
Gold Coast give: Martin and 20
On trade 20 and 9 to Sydney for Papley and 25

Better to give future first to the Suns than the Swans in the inevitability it ends up at Essendon*.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:57 am

dannyboy wrote:

Picket is 27 in 3 years he would be 30 - could be good but worth the risk? Tigers, they are ready now so grabbed him now not for any 3 years down the track. That's the difference, it's the getting there that is hard, once there choices really do open up. And arguments based on past events only mean something if at the moment you might have said - take picket! And even then, we really would need to wait 3 years to see.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28221

I'd be expecting Martin to be running mostly through the midfield so I think there's plenty of forward opportunity for both Eddie and Papley.

Where that leaves Butler well maybe he needs to look elsewhere or if he wants us might have to wait for Eddie to drop off...

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3456

keogh wrote:

doofdoof wrote:

keogh wrote:

Richmond’s premiership team
I count 9 of the 22 either
Pre season
Rookie
Or pick 50 or lower listed
This obviously doesn’t include Butler Stack Graham who didn’t make the team
Shows the importance of recruiting

seriously, if you are going to talk about this then do some proper @#$%&! analysis!

richmond fielded 9 first round picks saturday. the average age of the 9 was around 27....
this means they are not only quality players but very well experienced...unlike the blues where the average age would be closer to 21..
it affords richmond the luxury of taking a few gambles with guys like pickett and stack..
also, being that their top end talent is very experienced, it means they have had many more drafts/recruiting periods to assemble the right mix of players around their quality core
it seems pretty basic to me but i am sure you will continue banging on about the same shit over and over and over again...

Yep over and over again
My biggest criticism of Sos and our recruiting department
An inability to find good players with late picks rookie picks
Every premiership team has a similar profile
Instead giving spots too so many recyled AFL spuds
As far as top 10 picks are concerned
It doesn’t guarantee a player will be a gun at 27
Some players mature early some mature late
That’s why overseeing the lower leagues is so important

Nobody can still tell me how the club oversees these comps

There are players in the lower level leagues that could be good AFL players which would help our mid 20 age profile
Like Gibbons has this year
Whether you like it or not Pickett was so far ahead of what was available in that mid season draft
We lack depth in the midfield
Face it
Silvangi and Brodie screwed up with that one

We had first pick
Where not talking about 18 year olds being recruited where the unknown factor is greater

Take your @#$%&! Blues jumper off that you must sleep with and look at the facts
Deluca is a very limited player

That would have been a more concise way to explain yourself

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:12 am

Rexy wrote:

I'd be expecting Martin to be running mostly through the midfield so I think there's plenty of forward opportunity for both Eddie and Papley.

Where that leaves Butler well maybe he needs to look elsewhere or if he wants us might have to wait for Eddie to drop off...

..yep, Martin to do most of his work between the arcs..

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9296

Has the talent to do on a regular basis what Pickett just did in the grand final. Take the leash off and play fast moving footy and he'll influence a lot of games.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 5506

Now this is interesting...............finally a mid.

IMO, unless we are getting a free agent from somewhere I'm not sure how the club can get all 3 players.
The only (simple) deal I can see is:
Future first for Papley (I think the Swans need this next year)
Our 2 x 3rd rounders for Martin
Pick #9 ++ for gun mid.
Or we might need to start trading some players away.

carlton09 wrote:

There's something big brewing. I'm still confident it involves Gaff (or atleast to that caper of talent). That's what I'm hearing.

Papley and Martin will happen.

Betts will happen for peanuts as early as Monday

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

Reckon Gibbons is only going to get better.. our mosquito fleet is being nicely assembled.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10073

Walsh wrote:

Reckon Gibbons is only going to get better.. our mosquito fleet is being nicely assembled.

Yep. Only thing is with Cripps, Setters, Kennedy, SOJ.....we might also have the other half covered as well. :thumbsup:

Megaman · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:04 am

showbag wrote:

keogh wrote:

Have
Posted it 4 months ago
The draft was that day
Pickett was clearly the best player in the WAFL up until May 27 th
Couldn’t believe Sos chose Deluca s battler at best

He'd played 2 games for the year, and in one of those only got 6 possessions.
I hope our recruiters are paying more attention to the WAFL that you are...

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 5982

Megaman wrote:

showbag wrote:

keogh wrote:

Have
Posted it 4 months ago
The draft was that day
Pickett was clearly the best player in the WAFL up until May 27 th
Couldn’t believe Sos chose Deluca s battler at best

He'd played 2 games for the year, and in one of those only got 6 possessions.
I hope our recruiters are paying more attention to the WAFL that you are...

Best player in the WAFL
Proved it on the biggest stage :grin:

GWS · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:26 pm

Agresta was interviewed on ABC Grandstand today.

Hilarious!

“What about Jack Martin?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Tom Papley?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Eddie Betts?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“You’ve got pick 9 in the draft? Will you look at trading that?”
“We don’t comment on strategy.”

Gave them nothing! :lol:

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 5982

GWS wrote:

Agresta was interviewed on ABC Grandstand today.

Hilarious!

“What about Jack Martin?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Tom Papley?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Eddie Betts?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“You’ve got pick 9 in the draft? Will you look at trading that?”
“We don’t comment on strategy.”

Gave them nothing! :lol:

So why go on there in the first place
Nothing wrong with a bit of transparency
We all know we won’t use pick 9 on a kid
That’s SOSs manifesto now
We have the kids
Let’s just top up
the list up with stars
What will be interesting is how many of the 2020 picks he uses as trading carrots in the next 9 days

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:33 pm

GWS wrote:

Agresta was interviewed on ABC Grandstand today.

Hilarious!

“What about Jack Martin?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Tom Papley?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“What about Eddie Betts?”
“He’s a contracted player and out of respect for him and his club we wouldn’t comment on that”.

“You’ve got pick 9 in the draft? Will you look at trading that?”
“We don’t comment on strategy.”

Gave them nothing! :lol:

Why do they @#$%&! bother?

keogh wrote:

So why go on there in the first place
Nothing wrong with a bit of transparency
We all know we won’t use pick 9 on a kid
That’s SOSs manifesto now
We have the kids
Let’s just top up
the list up with stars
What will be interesting is how many of the 2020 picks he uses as trading carrots in the next 9 days

Ugh...

dannyboy · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:36 pm

if you do/if you don't...damned...ahh the glory of the internet.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Like it give them nothing
Let Essendon* Daniher Kelly and Geelong be all the news flailing around
Meanwhile the subterranean SOS is weaving his magic go Blues

BigKev · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:09 pm

Question for those who know things:

There seems to have been a lot more emphasis in discussions this trade period about whether a player is contracted of not. Generally speaking I can't see that it makes much difference, but perhaps something's changed?

For example, Tim Kelly isn't contracted but if he wants to go west then a deal really does have to be struck with Geelong. If he put himself in the uncontracted players draft then presumably he'd be heading to the GC, (who have first pick, in fact they probably have all the picks given AFL's attitude). Papley is contracted, but even if he wasn't a deal would still need to be worked out between Carlton and Sydney.

Am I missing something here?

Crusader · **Posted:** Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Based on what we have at the moment, the magnet board would look something like this:

B: Plowman Weitering (1)_____
HB: Docherty Jones Petrevski-Seton
C: (2)_____ Cripps (3)_____
HF: (4)_____ McKay Murphy
F: (5)_____ Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Walsh Ed

(1) Marchbank, Newman, Ben Silvagni, Williamson
(2 & 3) Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield, Simpson, Stocker
(4) Kennedy, Jack Silvagni
(5) Casboult, Cunningham, De Koning, Fisher, Gibbons, Lang

Phillips has a well defined role in the squad, whilst Polson, Macreadie & O'Dwyer would know where they stand by now.

Some blokes will obviously put their hand up for more than one of the vacant spots, and are first alternate for those etched in stone, but their best hope of getting a game will be as above.

I would have Newman, Simpson, Setterfield & Jack as clubhouse leaders for 1-4, with 5 being the hardest to fill without it being an afterthought. The process is looking pretty good this year.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Buckenara's on the train

Quote:

There is something special building at Carlton.

The improvement in the group as a whole and from specific players under new coach David Teague in the second half of the season was exactly what every Carlton supporter has wanted to see since the start of 2018.

There were serious concerns early this season but the enthusiasm Teague has been able to instil in the playing group and across the club in a short period, plus the development of several players, means there are exciting times ahead.

Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Kennedy, David Cuningham and Jack Silvagni were among those who took a step forward, rather than continuing to go backwards.

The challenge for the players and coaches is to keep that improvement and positivity going over summer and channel it into a huge pre-season so they can hit the ground running in 2020 and bank early wins.

The list is in great shape.

******************

Carlton should be a far more consistent team in 2020 and be much harder to beat. Immediate improvement under Teague should see them in the finals mix as soon as next year, especially if they have luck with injuries, but playing finals in 2021-22 is probably a more realistic expectation.

I think the Blues can seriously challenge for the premiership as soon as 2021.

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