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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:37 pm 
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Sauce & Eddie departing did inestimable damage to standing in the scheme of things Gibbs & Waite to lesser extent rubbed in more salt to the wound, giving away Robbo & Garlett too, any wonder we become bottom dwellers.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:30 am 
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The problem is that SOS thought he had Cogs
Didn’t get him and put all his eggs in one basket

Now we have to settle for the steak knives In Martin
Not being a restricted free agent we need to trade picks

What picks
Pick 9
Can’t be this years second rounder because of the Setterfield trade
It will have to be another future pick on a footballer who is overrated

The club is once again assuming the talent is already there and just needs a top up

This is not how you develop depth which ultimately leads to a premiership

Have a look at Essendon* with Dylan Shiel


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:45 am 
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We have the core talent currently on the list for the next flag. I’m surprised you don’t believe we don’t Keogh. I’m annoyed and p1$$ed we didn’t land Cogs but SOS and the club did evreything possible and if it wasn’t for the AFL’s involved, it might have been different.
Martin is not steak knives!! The guy can be A grade but it will be up to the coaches to do it. Worth us going hard, especially what he will bring to the current team.
I expect us to play finals next year and depending on trades and injuries, we might even push top 4.
Bookmark it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:25 am 
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keogh wrote:
The problem is that SOS thought he had Cogs
Didn’t get him and put all his eggs in one basket

Now we have to settle for the steak knives In Martin
Not being a restricted free agent we need to trade picks

What picks
Pick 9
Can’t be this years second rounder because of the Setterfield trade
It will have to be another future pick on a footballer who is overrated

The club is once again assuming the talent is already there and just needs a top up

This is not how you develop depth which ultimately leads to a premiership

Have a look at Essendon** with Dylan Shiel


What exactly did the SOS or the club do wrong Keogh? They threw everything at Cogs, he decided to stay with a nudge from the AFL. Please tell me who the superstar free agents are that we should have been going for? Or who we neglected by putting all our eggs in one basket?

Martin will be an astute pickup at the right price. The classic case of buying low. His performances thus far don’t warrant a first round pick. But he’s young enough and has the talent to be an A grader. A better environment could be all he needs. And if he never reaches his potential and remains a B or even C grader, well we probably paid an appropriate price for that


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:39 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
We have the core talent currently on the list for the next flag. I’m surprised you don’t believe we don’t Keogh. I’m annoyed and p1$$ed we didn’t land Cogs but SOS and the club did evreything possible and if it wasn’t for the AFL’s involved, it might have been different.
Martin is not steak knives!! The guy can be A grade but it will be up to the coaches to do it. Worth us going hard, especially what he will bring to the current team.
I expect us to play finals next year and depending on trades and injuries, we might even push top 4.
Bookmark it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:45 am 
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What exactly did the SOS or the club do wrong Keogh?

I've highlighted the key words to help answer that question for you.

It was SOS, therefore it was wrong.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:43 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The problem is that SOS thought he had Cogs
Didn’t get him and put all his eggs in one basket

Now we have to settle for the steak knives In Martin
Not being a restricted free agent we need to trade picks

What picks
Pick 9
Can’t be this years second rounder because of the Setterfield trade
It will have to be another future pick on a footballer who is overrated

The club is once again assuming the talent is already there and just needs a top up

This is not how you develop depth which ultimately leads to a premiership

Have a look at Essendon** with Dylan Shiel


Why do you say that when its just not true?

Earlier this year Martin came to Melb....
SPS and Martin have spent time together ....
Martin was a target from the get go ...

Cogs was a FA, nothing to do with targeting Martin for a pick or player.

Crazy stuff keogh... you're going a bit overboard with your pot shots at SOS.

Plus you're making up stuff re pick 9.
Wait till the deal is done before your claim Martin is overrated.

We've got too many kids.
Expecting 19yo, 20yo's to win us games, then disappointed we lose, its no wonder.

I think you're saying Martin is not worth targeting at all. Am I right?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm 
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'The problem is that SOS thought'

this is my issue - unless Keogh can show his amazing mind-reading ability the question really is, how does he know what SOS thought or didn't think?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
We have the core talent currently on the list for the next flag. I’m surprised you don’t believe we don’t Keogh. I’m annoyed and p1$$ed we didn’t land Cogs but SOS and the club did evreything possible and if it wasn’t for the AFL’s involved, it might have been different.
Martin is not steak knives!! The guy can be A grade but it will be up to the coaches to do it. Worth us going hard, especially what he will bring to the current team.
I expect us to play finals next year and depending on trades and injuries, we might even push top 4.
Bookmark it.


Totally agree. Bookmark it.

Martin hasn't done much wrong.
GCS had him playing everywhere plugging holes from an early age.
Teague and the whole off field set up with our Footy Dept will bring out the best in him.
I call his recruitment to Carlton as emancipation for Martin.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:48 pm 
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'The problem is that SOS thought'

this is my issue - unless Keogh can show his amazing mind-reading ability the question really is, how does he know what SOS thought or didn't think?


Right on danny.

Everything keogh presents is as fact, when its just his opinion the an undercurrent of SOS hatred.
Hatred causes Blurred vision.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:33 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The problem is that SOS thought he had Cogs
Didn’t get him and put all his eggs in one basket

Now we have to settle for the steak knives In Martin
Not being a restricted free agent we need to trade picks

What picks
Pick 9
Can’t be this years second rounder because of the Setterfield trade
It will have to be another future pick on a footballer who is overrated

The club is once again assuming the talent is already there and just needs a top up

This is not how you develop depth which ultimately leads to a premiership

Have a look at Essendon** with Dylan Shiel

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:32 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
'The problem is that SOS thought'

this is my issue - unless Keogh can show his amazing mind-reading ability the question really is, how does he know what SOS thought or didn't think?


Right on danny.

Everything keogh presents is as fact, when its just his opinion the an undercurrent of SOS hatred.
Hatred causes Blurred vision.

I seriously do not know why some even reply to his rubbish!! Mind you i talk some, but i do not seek attention like our mate!!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:33 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
'The problem is that SOS thought'

this is my issue - unless Keogh can show his amazing mind-reading ability the question really is, how does he know what SOS thought or didn't think?


Right on danny.

Everything keogh presents is as fact, when its just his opinion the an undercurrent of SOS hatred.
Hatred causes Blurred vision.

I seriously do not know why some even reply to his rubbish!! Mind you i talk some, but i do not seek attention like our mate!!

Wanabbe TC shock jock, maybe be!!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:03 pm 
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no I think he is genuine, just falling into the trap (as we all do) of forgetting opinions are not fact.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:54 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
no I think he is genuine, just falling into the trap (as we all do) of forgetting opinions are not fact.


:lol: ... give us the cup!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:44 pm 
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Just watched tonights game
I assumed you guys did
As usual the best bottom six get you over the line in big games
That means you need depth
We don’t have it particularly in the midfield
We need to show something in the next 2 years

And why did Cogs pass up 2 million
Girlfriend wants to stay in Sydney
Thinks our list hasn’t a future
Or he is a loyal person


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:48 pm 
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One thing I can say with fair confidence is SOS is stubborn and rigid

Roll on 2020 and 2021

Hopefully I’m wrong


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:55 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Just watched tonights game
I assumed you guys did
As usual the best bottom six get you over the line in big games
That means you need depth
We don’t have it particularly in the midfield
We need to show something in the next 2 years

And why did Cogs pass up 2 million
Girlfriend wants to stay in Sydney
Thinks our list hasn’t a future
Or he is a loyal person

Or Gil interfering as he did with Lynch, May, Shiel etc.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:41 am 
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Here is a snap shot from last nights game in regards to Richmond’s lesser lights
They all played their role effectively
Castagna 2017 rookie elevation
Short 2016 rookie elevation
Soldo 2017 rookie elevation
Lambert 2015 rookie elevation
Astbury pick 35 2009 draft
Graham pick 53 2016 draft
Broad pick 67 2015 draft

On top of this Grimes and Houli were both pre season picks

It’s this sort of recruiting that makes you a top team
In his time so far has SOS jagged any gems from nothing
Gibbons yes but can’t think of many others
Sure they gave up a lot to get Presty and Lynch was a gift called free agency

But every year the top teams are littered with guys who have been drafted from obscurity

Do the research
Richmond won last night without their best defender Riewoldt had a shocker as did Cotchin

West Coast won it without 3 top ten picks last year in Nick Nat Shepherd and Gaff

Our recruiting under SOS and Brodie is not good enough compared to other teams
like Richmond and Clarke
In order to get Martin we will probably have to part with 2 picks and because of what our recruiting team did last year that means a future pick
All for another bloke who is talented with big wraps but up to this point hasn’t done a lot to back it up
Like McGovern




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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:09 am 
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Its easy to select a team who just got in the grand final and say there's the blueprint, there's the profile of a winning team, and that's what we shouldve done...and look at where they were drafted.

Of those 7 rookies keogh mentions only Lambert would get a look in in most teams imo.
They play to a system devised by Hardwick, and it has evolved from having one KPF.
Don't underestimate the coach and the game plan which has taken 7 years to evolve. You forget that.

Its not the Blueprint.

The Tigers are 5 years ahead of Carlton in their rebuild, and that's after a disastrous Hughes - Rogers led recruitment.

Last night...Million dollar man, Lynch (GCS) , got them over the line.

Their top 6 did a fair bit to get them over the line too: Houli (Bombers), Prestia (GCS) Martin, Cotchin,Edwards, Ellis, Lambert. Not the bottom 7 you mentioned. Wrong again.

Soldo 10 disposals
Catagna 12 disposals
Short 13 disposals
Astbury 13 disposals
Graham 7 dispsals
Broad 3 disposals

Yeah right..the bottom 6 won it for them. :lol:

Houli defected from Bombers after issues close to he heart...

A nauseum ... Its all Setterfield's and Stocker's fault. So childish, so inappropriate, so degrading of a 19 and 20yo high pick draftee.

...and the Trade period hasn't started this year. Cogs doesn't need the money like other players...he stayed at GWS because of Loyalty and seemingly swayed by the Gil impact.

Nothing Carlton or SOS does will get your approval keogh, but I expect you to join the bandwagon when you hear the sound toot toot, saying you were glad you were wrong.
Got me thinking. Not sure if I like those type kinds of supporters TBH.

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