bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
FWIW, I think it's important we win some games next year to get the winning feeling back, get the supporters back and make the club look better in the eyes of a potential trade or FA.
If Eddie helps us do that, he is worth getting at a low pick. Talking about a fourth rounder at best. Adelaide is rooted. They want to clean out the entire joint and start again. Eddie isn't on that horizon. They won't delist him because he's worth something so they are playing the game. They will let him go if they can get a half decent deal.
The other thing is the publicity the club gets from such a trade. The sponsors who have stuck with us in the lean years have been hanging to get their logos on the TV. Eddie brings that. It makes us more attractive to sponsors so getting them through the door is an important part of the club's image and exposure.
If he turns out to be a two year player when we are in the eight, so much better but if we just get one good year out of him, it will be worth it.
We lost four games by less than a goal. Put Eddie in this team and we win all those games because he does that stuff. 11 wins would have been pretty nice this year.
Le Bois is never going to make it or he would be showing something.
Gibbons is a mid fielder that BB played in the forward pocket. Teague released him into the middle much more and he will be even better next year.
Owie is an unknown.
Nothing wrong with Eddie up there at Harry's feet that I can see.
Stop making sense. Agree with all the above. We can get Betts till we find another, or develop one.
Gibbons shows stuff all the great mids show. He's a very good midfielder with a great engine: one of the best at the club.
Its such a waste having his engine purring in the FP going to waste.
He has a bit of mongrel too.
I just wonder what happens if Betts comes cheap with Crows blessing and then we have Papley for a first rounder instead of the 2 1sts with 2 seconds coming back, Butler decides Princes Park will be a great home, and Gray comes for free too. Talk about choice. I don't think Butler would have toured the facilities if there wasn't an offer. Then there's Martin who we may get at the right price too.
Reminds me of the model Ratts was building then the Tigers adopted to win a flag with Setanta (McKay) and his little helpers Betts Garlett Walker Yarran (Betts Papley Butler Martin).
We will fill holes this trade season....and they're the prospects we know of till the Grand Final is played.
Looking at how many players are earmarked as targets we know of, I'd put money on SOS having already held discussions with player managers from top 8 teams, who may be attracted to Princes Park. We have Players, Picks to play with, and more FA's to target next year.
Its going to be a Bonanza for Carlton this October.
This is what concerns me. It seems this is the only model Teague knows and it didn't work for us then and most likely won't work for us now. The Tigers have evolved this model for a reason and that's why they brought in Lynch and are now favourites. Plus they have fast running mids that can deliver and pressure the ball carrier. Strong successful teams are built from defence and our midfield is currently our Achilles' heel in this process.
You have a short memory, and you are making up stuff.
Do you remember the midfield brigade at Carlton at the time touted as the best in the business with Judd Stevens Carrazzo and Murphy? Then after the game against Essendrug on their steroid rage we jard a shoulder injury to Carrazzo, and a multiple of injuries to Murphy etc...well it derailed us....the there was the ganging up on Judd when....the season was full of promise. Nothing to do with the almighty Setanta's helpers failure: they were our weapon. I repeat Betts, Garlett, Walker....all kicking multiple goals and talk of the town. This strategy has been mentioned again during Richmond's premiership year and since.
You pitch your post as if they are fact when they are not. Your argument, for argument sake, with your made up points is baseless.
How do you know Teague has only one game plan? Sorry mate, you are out of order and obviously a Teague hater. This isn't gong to be rational discussion.
Remember Teague didnt sack Bolton. Get over it.
Most likely wont work? What? and why not? You are going to make something up now.
The Tigers bought in Lynch because they could get him. Period. Nothing to do with failing game plan. Reiwoldt is not a spring chicken, he's 31yo. Lynch is 26yo. Do you wonder why they really got Lynch other than he wanted to go to a team who was likely to win flags? Succession plan.
Tigers have been flag favourites for the last 2 years, Last year without Lynch. Where do you get off?
You suggest midfield is our achilles heel, then you suggesting our problem is the Teague's only game plan ala Rattens Setanta's helpers? We are after mids. Watch this space till after the GF. You will be surprised their is a plan SOS has to fill gaps. Its the plan they have been transparent with all along.
Incase you haven't noticed, our defence is set, and we have depth there. Our forward pillars are set in stone. We have the best Clearance player and contested bull in the competition with able support......its not as bad as you make out. We are young, have 3 holes, and we have this and next trade season to fill them. I can see them being ffilled this season with the exception of the ruck, because TDK is a couple of years away from ready: probably when we are giving it a tilt for the GF.
I want to talk about Blue skies and what we are doing right, because the only negative noises I'm hearing about Carlton and SOS in you and keogh.
You're welcome to get on the Teague Train. Its not too late
Toot-Toot 20-20.
What are you waffling on about now.
The only fact you need to understand about the Judd, Betts & co era is this - we didn't win a flag or even make top 4 = failed. It's pretty simple.
Richmond have attracted/obtained/hunted another key tall in Lynch to keep them successful and have evolved their game plan accordingly. Any other information about age, succession plans etc is just waffle, unless you work for the club and know different.
As for flag favourites last year, they were the reigning premiers FFS. Of course they were flag favourites. And this year it wasn't until the back half of the year and more importantly the last 4 weeks that they were mooted as flag favourites again. Including by myself.
As for Bolts, when are you lot going to understand that me questioning Teague's ability is in isolation to him and him only. Bolts has gone, no longer at the club and has nothing to do with us going forward. It's not that hard and to be frank, I'm getting sick of having to spell it out every time. Just because I'm not drinking the Kool Aid doesn't mean I'm a hater. I'm just being reserved until I see Teague do something that impresses me and says, yes this bloke can take us to a premiership. And none of us will know that until next season.
And if you feel that
trading in a 33yo player (we will not get him for nothing and I doubt even a 5th rounder as he is required by the club that we screwed on the Gibbs deal) and trading away
multiple 1st round picks is how we are going to win our next premiership and stay successful. Good for you, that's your opinion.
I am not a romantic and I am longer running on emotion when it comes to how our club moves forward and all the wild trade possibilities that could be. It's been a tough 3 years and finally there is light at the end of the tunnel and I don't think the club should be throwing all cards on the table yet (i.e. what the cheats have done). I'm more analytical these days and I have a different opinion and will not change it unless I see otherwise. And this does not mean I'm any less positive about the club.
So if you think my opinion is negative because it differs to yours, then that's a you thing and only you can fix that. I look forward to seeing what mids we can attract and I just hope to god we don't sell the farm to do it. Because it is quite possible we will push too hard too early for instant results, over having patience for a little more organic growth in the playing list. And that is my opinion.