Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:59 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 2341 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 118  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:03 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 23030
Location: Bondi Beach
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Not worth the effort

Imagine how boring the world would be if we were all the same dude


Nothing stopping you keogh.

I agree everything should be questioned about the club even when we are doing well.
There's a time and place for that.

There's got to be a time when you admit that with Top 10 draft picks you'd expect most to turn out.
Lets say 50/50. We have 10 Top 10 picks.
Say 4 of them are winners: top 22 in any team.
WE are pretty close to filling those gaps.

Development time is the only thing stalling this model.
Kids don't all come on the same age.
We're pretty close.

SOS' list isn't as bad as you want to believe.
Coem on....you can do it.
say it....its cathartic.
Then go back to your argument. :wink:


Carlton aren’t the only club that make ridiculous trades
Many clubs do
I disagree with some of the things you and others say

If you go back a decade the club got into trouble partly because of ridiculous trades
Jacobs for McCarthy and Mc Innes
Warnock for pick 24
Even the Judd trade WC won given Kennedy and Masterns output opposed to Judd and Armfield

Giving away 2 or more picks for one player who is older by a few years is risky

As I said I would of waited an extra year to trade picks to get mature talent
McGovern cost us 3 potentially good players
Setterfield two
They would need to improve bung knee being over weight or not
Doing what SOs did at last years draft was putting all his eggs in one basket

Let’s not forget that we came 16 th
If SOs had a crystal ball would he had traded that pick with the Crows
We beat StKilda who were terrible and most supporters can’t wait for success
In 2020 it’s a given
Coming 16 th wasn’t all due to Bolton’s style of coaching
Have a read of some of the shit others have spun at how great it was to get McGovern when we got him in 2018
The guy has to @#$%&! off for a while to get fit
That’s like saying a guy who has a job as an accountant can’t add up

You get real
We have achieved @#$%&! all in the 4 years Sos took over from those :censored: Hughes and Rogers
It could be great but don’t go the early cro.


That's cool.

Whatever you would have done is no guarantee either.

I think you're after guarantees.

I think with Setters and McGovern we got 2 players and missed out on probably 3 duds in the 2nd round, which is the norm.

It wasn't McGoverns fault he was put on the field in that condition.
The S & C people should have applied the same mantra to Gov as they do with others.
Amazing how he came back, isn't it? Looks a different player after he was looked after by Russell.

Everyone knows, and you fail to accept that our position on the ladder is due to a lack of success in the draft by Hughes and Rogers.
No one expected SOS' kids to become world beaters at the age of 19, 20, 21.
Bolton's game plan and methodology didnt help, but the club expected us to languish for few years whilst the kids developed.
Forced Tanking with the benefits and no costs form AFL sanctions.

Look forward, my man, all I can see is Blue skies.
Even the dogs in the media realise they have to jump on the Teague Train too.
Success at Carlton is inevitable with SOS' list.

Come on board keogh, I tell you, the past is in the past.

Toot-Toot from 20-20

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:18 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 23030
Location: Bondi Beach
Blue Sombrero wrote:
FWIW, I think it's important we win some games next year to get the winning feeling back, get the supporters back and make the club look better in the eyes of a potential trade or FA.
If Eddie helps us do that, he is worth getting at a low pick. Talking about a fourth rounder at best. Adelaide is rooted. They want to clean out the entire joint and start again. Eddie isn't on that horizon. They won't delist him because he's worth something so they are playing the game. They will let him go if they can get a half decent deal.
The other thing is the publicity the club gets from such a trade. The sponsors who have stuck with us in the lean years have been hanging to get their logos on the TV. Eddie brings that. It makes us more attractive to sponsors so getting them through the door is an important part of the club's image and exposure.
If he turns out to be a two year player when we are in the eight, so much better but if we just get one good year out of him, it will be worth it.

We lost four games by less than a goal. Put Eddie in this team and we win all those games because he does that stuff. 11 wins would have been pretty nice this year.

Le Bois is never going to make it or he would be showing something.
Gibbons is a mid fielder that BB played in the forward pocket. Teague released him into the middle much more and he will be even better next year.
Owie is an unknown.

Nothing wrong with Eddie up there at Harry's feet that I can see.


Stop making sense. Agree with all the above. We can get Betts till we find another, or develop one.

Gibbons shows stuff all the great mids show. He's a very good midfielder with a great engine: one of the best at the club.
Its such a waste having his engine purring in the FP going to waste.

He has a bit of mongrel too.

I just wonder what happens if Betts comes cheap with Crows blessing and then we have Papley for a first rounder instead of the 2 1sts with 2 seconds coming back, Butler decides Princes Park will be a great home, and Gray comes for free too. Talk about choice. I don't think Butler would have toured the facilities if there wasn't an offer. Then there's Martin who we may get at the right price too.

Reminds me of the model Ratts was building then the Tigers adopted to win a flag with Setanta (McKay) and his little helpers Betts Garlett Walker Yarran (Betts Papley Butler Martin).

We will fill holes this trade season....and they're the prospects we know of till the Grand Final is played.

Looking at how many players are earmarked as targets we know of, I'd put money on SOS having already held discussions with player managers from top 8 teams, who may be attracted to Princes Park. We have Players, Picks to play with, and more FA's to target next year.

Its going to be a Bonanza for Carlton this October.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:45 am 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
FWIW, I think it's important we win some games next year to get the winning feeling back, get the supporters back and make the club look better in the eyes of a potential trade or FA.
If Eddie helps us do that, he is worth getting at a low pick. Talking about a fourth rounder at best. Adelaide is rooted. They want to clean out the entire joint and start again. Eddie isn't on that horizon. They won't delist him because he's worth something so they are playing the game. They will let him go if they can get a half decent deal.
The other thing is the publicity the club gets from such a trade. The sponsors who have stuck with us in the lean years have been hanging to get their logos on the TV. Eddie brings that. It makes us more attractive to sponsors so getting them through the door is an important part of the club's image and exposure.
If he turns out to be a two year player when we are in the eight, so much better but if we just get one good year out of him, it will be worth it.

We lost four games by less than a goal. Put Eddie in this team and we win all those games because he does that stuff. 11 wins would have been pretty nice this year.

Le Bois is never going to make it or he would be showing something.
Gibbons is a mid fielder that BB played in the forward pocket. Teague released him into the middle much more and he will be even better next year.
Owie is an unknown.

Nothing wrong with Eddie up there at Harry's feet that I can see.


Stop making sense. Agree with all the above. We can get Betts till we find another, or develop one.

Gibbons shows stuff all the great mids show. He's a very good midfielder with a great engine: one of the best at the club.
Its such a waste having his engine purring in the FP going to waste.

He has a bit of mongrel too.

I just wonder what happens if Betts comes cheap with Crows blessing and then we have Papley for a first rounder instead of the 2 1sts with 2 seconds coming back, Butler decides Princes Park will be a great home, and Gray comes for free too. Talk about choice. I don't think Butler would have toured the facilities if there wasn't an offer. Then there's Martin who we may get at the right price too.

Reminds me of the model Ratts was building then the Tigers adopted to win a flag with Setanta (McKay) and his little helpers Betts Garlett Walker Yarran (Betts Papley Butler Martin).

We will fill holes this trade season....and they're the prospects we know of till the Grand Final is played.

Looking at how many players are earmarked as targets we know of, I'd put money on SOS having already held discussions with player managers from top 8 teams, who may be attracted to Princes Park. We have Players, Picks to play with, and more FA's to target next year.

Its going to be a Bonanza for Carlton this October.


This is what concerns me. It seems this is the only model Teague knows and it didn't work for us then and most likely won't work for us now. The Tigers have evolved this model for a reason and that's why they brought in Lynch and are now favourites. Plus they have fast running mids that can deliver and pressure the ball carrier. Strong successful teams are built from defence and our midfield is currently our Achilles' heel in this process.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:46 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:56 am
Posts: 19501
Location: Progreso, Yucatan, MEXICO
A booming bonza bonanza.

Is Ed Langdon related to Mike?

_________________
Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:00 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
Blue Sombrero wrote:
A booming bonza bonanza.

Is Ed Langdon related to Mike?


Now this interests me. :thumbsup:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:12 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:52 pm
Posts: 2289
Location: Geelong
Blue Vain wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We dont have a small forward on our list. We have a bloke who in a shit forward line still kicked 37 goals, was top 20 in the AFL for goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50 and some of you blokes want him for a pack of chips. :lol:

Consider we had only 2 players kick more than half his tally of goals. (One on 22, one on 26)
But no, we wont give more than pick 70. FMD

+ he is contracted.

Spot on. Lets give them pick 8. :roll:


Do you think comments like that add any form of intelligence to the debate?
I'm sure there are some picks available between 8 and 90 that we could consider.


How about a swap of first rounders and we'll pick up his contract. :thumbsup:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:32 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
BigKev wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We dont have a small forward on our list. We have a bloke who in a shit forward line still kicked 37 goals, was top 20 in the AFL for goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50 and some of you blokes want him for a pack of chips. :lol:

Consider we had only 2 players kick more than half his tally of goals. (One on 22, one on 26)
But no, we wont give more than pick 70. FMD

+ he is contracted.

Spot on. Lets give them pick 8. :roll:


Do you think comments like that add any form of intelligence to the debate?
I'm sure there are some picks available between 8 and 90 that we could consider.


How about a swap of first rounders and we'll pick up his contract. :thumbsup:

:lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:18 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17566
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We dont have a small forward on our list. We have a bloke who in a shit forward line still kicked 37 goals, was top 20 in the AFL for goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50 and some of you blokes want him for a pack of chips. :lol:

Consider we had only 2 players kick more than half his tally of goals. (One on 22, one on 26)
But no, we wont give more than pick 70. FMD

Who would i rather taking up a spot on our list? Eddie Betts or Finbar O'Dwyer? Hmm, tough call.


Isn't that what Gibbons is? 16 snags in his first year is pretty good.
And without questioning their ability, I also think Cunningham, Lebois (if he's still on the list) and Polson are classified as small forwards for us.
Plus Owies looks like he can play too.


:lol: You've got 1 bloke who's been delisted, another who has played 1 year of football since under 15's and another who is miles off the pace (Polson).
To put them in the same conversation as Betts is laughable.
Cuningham will be a decent mid/forward if he can stay on the park. Gibbo can pinch hit. That leaves another 2 spots. If we had a forward line of Charlie, McKay, McGovern, Betts, Martin and Cuningham with Gibbons off the bench, it would be as potent as any forward line in the league.

I'm starting to suspect most of your posts are for arguments sake because you've rattled off some absolute crap in the past few days.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:27 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:37 pm
Posts: 1585
Location: The Clinic across the road.
Tomlinson dropped

_________________
"I'll tell you what I didn't do;
I never injected anyone."
AD 3/3/14


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:28 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We dont have a small forward on our list. We have a bloke who in a shit forward line still kicked 37 goals, was top 20 in the AFL for goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50 and some of you blokes want him for a pack of chips. :lol:

Consider we had only 2 players kick more than half his tally of goals. (One on 22, one on 26)
But no, we wont give more than pick 70. FMD

Who would i rather taking up a spot on our list? Eddie Betts or Finbar O'Dwyer? Hmm, tough call.


Isn't that what Gibbons is? 16 snags in his first year is pretty good.
And without questioning their ability, I also think Cunningham, Lebois (if he's still on the list) and Polson are classified as small forwards for us.
Plus Owies looks like he can play too.


:lol: You've got 1 bloke who's been delisted, another who has played 1 year of football since under 15's and another who is miles off the pace (Polson).
To put them in the same conversation as Betts is laughable.
Cuningham will be a decent mid/forward if he can stay on the park. Gibbo can pinch hit. That leaves another 2 spots. If we had a forward line of Charlie, McKay, McGovern, Betts, Martin and Cuningham with Gibbons off the bench, it would be as potent as any forward line in the league.

I'm starting to suspect most of your posts are for arguments sake because you've rattled off some absolute crap in the past few days.


Hmmm.........We don't have a small forward on our list. Yet you list 2 of the above as our forwards. No crap there, hey BV?

Lucky you're not condescending about it either. :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:08 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17566
Turn on the West Coast/Essendon* game. Have a look at the magic Indigenous players like Rioli, Tipunwuti and Ryan bring to the game. That's what's required.
Small forward is a specialist role. Polson is an average VFL player by comparison.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Last edited by Blue Vain on Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:10 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:16 pm
Posts: 12194
Location: Sydney
Whether we "have small forwards" or not, I can't see how anyone can disagree that the options we have in that position are way below the required standard.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17566
GreatEx wrote:
Whether we "have small forwards" or not, I can't see how anyone can disagree that the options we have in that position are way below the required standard.


Spot on.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:13 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm
Posts: 16902
Blue Vain wrote:
Turn on the West Coast/Essendon** game. Have a look at the magic Indigenous players like Rioli, Tipunwuti and Ryan bring to the game. That's what's required.
Small forward is a specialist role. Polson is an average VFL player by comparison.


What's Polson got to do with it? He's never been a small forward. Nor indigenous!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:27 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
GreatEx wrote:
Whether we "have small forwards" or not, I can't see how anyone can disagree that the options we have in that position are way below the required standard.


No disagreement from me.
I just don’t think a 33yo ex Carlton player is worth spending any picks or money on. Nor do I think this is the role that requires immediate attention, unlike our midfield. Helping Cripps and Kreuzer should be our only priority.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:27 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:16 pm
Posts: 12194
Location: Sydney
So what is he then, just a small... man?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:29 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:16 pm
Posts: 12194
Location: Sydney
"only" priority? Come on...

Por que no los dos?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:34 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
Blue Vain wrote:
Turn on the West Coast/Essendon** game. Have a look at the magic Indigenous players like Rioli, Tipunwuti and Ryan bring to the game. That's what's required.
Small forward is a specialist role. Polson is an average VFL player by comparison.


So now this is a spectacle issue. I thought we were building a team for long term success. Your argument has so many twists and turns it confuses me.
And all 3 of those players you mentioned are in their mid 20s, not 33. And I’d be happy to trade for anyone of them.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:39 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 5508
GreatEx wrote:
"only" priority? Come on...

Por que no los dos?


In short. Because both would cost too much and personally I’m not too keen on trading out of too many drafts.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:32 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10075
Polson just needs to be played midfield. Let him rove....


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 2341 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 118  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 94 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group