I'm with you. If you do it, pick 70+. Crows ask for more, we walk away and he can see out his contract and career there.

Pick 40?
No @#$%&! way.

If we do take Eddie, Adelaide get his salary or their books. 5th rounder at best.

We dont have a small forward on our list. We have a bloke who in a shit forward line still kicked 37 goals, was top 20 in the AFL for goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50 and some of you blokes want him for a pack of chips.

Consider we had only 2 players kick more than half his tally of goals. (One on 22, one on 26)
But no, we wont give more than pick 70. FMD

Who would i rather taking up a spot on our list? Eddie Betts or Finbar O'Dwyer? Hmm, tough call.

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+ he is contracted.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Him being contracted doesn’t increase his value. Adelaide want to clear him from their books.

Where did you read confirmation of that?

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Carlton aren’t the only club that make ridiculous trades
Many clubs do
I disagree with some of the things you and others say

If you go back a decade the club got into trouble partly because of ridiculous trades
Jacobs for McCarthy and Mc Innes
Warnock for pick 24
Even the Judd trade WC won given Kennedy and Masterns output opposed to Judd and Armfield

Giving away 2 or more picks for one player who is older by a few years is risky

As I said I would of waited an extra year to trade picks to get mature talent
McGovern cost us 3 potentially good players
Setterfield two
They would need to improve bung knee being over weight or not
Doing what SOs did at last years draft was putting all his eggs in one basket

Let’s not forget that we came 16 th
If SOs had a crystal ball would he had traded that pick with the Crows
We beat StKilda who were terrible and most supporters can’t wait for success
In 2020 it’s a given
Coming 16 th wasn’t all due to Bolton’s style of coaching
Have a read of some of the shit others have spun at how great it was to get McGovern when we got him in 2018
The guy has to @#$%&! off for a while to get fit
That’s like saying a guy who has a job as an accountant can’t add up

You get real
We have achieved @#$%&! all in the 4 years Sos took over from those Hughes and Rogers
It could be great but don’t go the early cro.

Spot on. Lets give them pick 8.

I was more thinking a deal which is realistic and fair to both parties.

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This is utter nonsense

Agree.

We got good players in McGovern 23yo and Setterfield 21yo for a few 2nd rounders who might be able to play.

Both players have been good contributors in games we've won.
Both have kicked match winning goals.

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That's not true, they don't WANT to clear him. He's a sentimental favourite, and that's not the point.

He kicks nearly 40 goals a season and has kicked 70.
He's worth one or two years if we can.

Papley Butler Gray and Martin have something to say in all of this.

If we can get him....get him. Only upside.

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And stop saying Silvagni put all our eggs in one basket. He got what he thought were pick 1 and pick 6 in the draft, in addition to the trades he did. So he drafted AND traded. I notice you never mention Nic Newman either, I suspect it doesn’t suit your argument.

Do you think comments like that add any form of intelligence to the debate?
I'm sure there are some picks available between 8 and 90 that we could consider.

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Isn't that what Gibbons is? 16 snags in his first year is pretty good.
And without questioning their ability, I also think Cunningham, Lebois (if he's still on the list) and Polson are classified as small forwards for us.
Plus Owies looks like he can play too.

Ok so what pick would you be willing to trade? Bear in mind he is about to turn 33 (or 37) and Sam Mitchell went to West Coast for basically nothing. This is a similar set of circumstances. Key differences are the emotional aspect and we can't make emotional decisions and Mitchell provided far more on field leadership than Eddie ever would.

5th rounder is fair for a bloke who probably has one season left in him. Any more is madness.

‘ken oath. Deadset comical some of these the valuations.

Eddie is proven, and is a play for the here & now, yet some would give up the earth to be anchored to a trash bag like Papley for the next decade.

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FWIW, I think it's important we win some games next year to get the winning feeling back, get the supporters back and make the club look better in the eyes of a potential trade or FA.
If Eddie helps us do that, he is worth getting at a low pick. Talking about a fourth rounder at best. Adelaide is rooted. They want to clean out the entire joint and start again. Eddie isn't on that horizon. They won't delist him because he's worth something so they are playing the game. They will let him go if they can get a half decent deal.
The other thing is the publicity the club gets from such a trade. The sponsors who have stuck with us in the lean years have been hanging to get their logos on the TV. Eddie brings that. It makes us more attractive to sponsors so getting them through the door is an important part of the club's image and exposure.
If he turns out to be a two year player when we are in the eight, so much better but if we just get one good year out of him, it will be worth it.

We lost four games by less than a goal. Put Eddie in this team and we win all those games because he does that stuff. 11 wins would have been pretty nice this year.

Le Bois is never going to make it or he would be showing something.
Gibbons is a mid fielder that BB played in the forward pocket. Teague released him into the middle much more and he will be even better next year.
Owie is an unknown.

Nothing wrong with Eddie up there at Harry's feet that I can see.

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LeBois was delisted last week.