Maybe everyone knows we overpay and have room in our salary cap

Yes that must be the case given our Win Loss ratio is lower under Teague this year than last year, considerably so - 41% down from 55% (rounded).

More likely, players suspect we are gradually on the rise which is what tends to happen when clubs rebuild, as we have.

Either that or the players lack the capacity to calculate Win Loss ration, which wouldn't be all that surprising I suppose.

We have only landed one so far. Turned down by Graham and possibly Saad. Early days so we will see which players are wanting to come. Maybe they are players that suit our needs. Going to be very interesting for sure.

We really need to get some quality 25-26 year old strong bodies in this team for sure. Midfielders and more midfielders as our engine needs work. Front is good and back is good. We need a good running back and see who can step up as a small quality forward.

It all starts in the midfield, most important part of the ground. Murphy and Curnow need to be phased out of there.

I can only go by the assumption that his character in press conferences, reflects the character he instructs the players with. If my assumption is right, I'm not asking for him to change the person he is, rather just develop a sterness that he can show the players when they do something wrong or when a game is on the line. I heard David Teague speak at an odd Friday lunch at the North Fitzroy Arms, he came across as very articulate but maybe too nice? I look at Kevin Sheedy when he started at Essendon*, he said the place didn't have a winning culture and he had to import the successful culture of the Tiger's where he played. I've met Kevin Sheedy and I found him - humourous, intelligent and inquistive. I just hope David can develop his coach character in a similar mould to Kevin Sheedy. And thanks ferdinand for not being a smart arse - rare humility.

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Well articulated.
Haven't met DT but had dinner with Sheeds after a Grand Final one year, just four of us so got good close-up insights.

You make a good point, that is not the guy we 'see' dishing it out to the players so a 'transformation' indeed occurs that Teague needs to emulate.

My best illustration is how a parent 'transforms' from cuddly loving soft tender etc. to often making the cranial horns appear when the "little darling" has turned into a little monster and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

And societally just look at the different outcomes with parents who are soft on their kids versus those who try and 'teach them responsibility' instead.

Perhaps our best clue: How does David treat his own kids when they act up?

'Firm but fair' builds character.
Being 'soft' rarely does.

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I like your parenting analogy, very subtle.

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My dad used to say,

"It's easier to start hard and ease up than to start easy and try to stiffen up later."

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Time to find the smacking thread...

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Congratulations CK95

And your Dad was talking about What exactly?

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Really frustrates me that people presume to know what DT is like behind closed doors.

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Ummmmm, now that you ask, I'm confused.

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If that's the case, you should just read what they post.
I can't find one poster that presumes to know.
Most are assuming based on his public persona and a grab of ten seconds at half time.

Not every post has a secret meaning hidden between the words.

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Sorry presume/assume, my point stands

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I once saw him smile in a press conference and I’m now convinced he’s a soft parent.

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I can't say I am privy to what goes on behind closed doors in a football club. But I can say if I spoke to and treated my staff today the same way I did 20 to 30 years ago my arse would be in court and I would be out of a job.

Different world we live in these days and the days of Walls getting blokes to beat the crap out of each other are long gone.

Maybe what you are seeing with Teague is the 2020 version of what a professional manager should be and not a 1970 or 80's boss.


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I don't know what type of coach Teague is and I don't mind that a coach in his first year is protecting the players a bit from outside scrutiny.

As a senior executive, my mentor reminded me of his philosophy in regards to management " There are to methods of herding sheep, you can either be the sheep dog or the Shepard, both will get them through a gate, but sheep are fragile bastards and you will lose a sheep or two being a dog"

From an objective point of view, we are top 4 in quarters won in games which indicates 2 things, first that when things have gone wrong in games, the team has be able to react which to me indicates that Teague has identified the issue, addressed it and the players were able to adjust. Secondly that it's the players that can't/don't consistently execute the game plan.

The next challenge is to get the players to play at level of consistency require from AFL players, this is a cultural problem stemming from too many players used to getting games gifted to them because of the previous philosophy of fast tracking new recruits

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He can’t believe that he’s seeing what O’Brien can see.

Meanwhile Will is wondering why Walsh’s dandruff hasn’t cleared up after he massaged that cream into his scalp last night.

I don’t profess to know what goes on within the 4 walls at the club. Like many on here, I just base my opinion on what I see game to game.

IMO DT needs to find a way to turn us into a consistent pressure team. In modern footy where scoring is limited and defensive structures are generally strong, probably the best attribute a team can have is the ability to consistently put on manic pressure. The dogs were not an outstanding team in 2016 but Beveridge got them to buy in and bring unprecedented levels of pressure for that finals series. Richmond over the past 3-4 years have been exactly the same. They bring waves and waves of pressure with quick and tough players. If the first tackle misses, the second or third won’t. They grind down their opponents with pressure. Port were the exact same last night. They continued to just throw bodies at Geelong all night, wave after wave, until the Cats could no longer handle it.

On the other hand, for too long we’ve picked and choosed when we want to show up with pressure. After the Melbourne loss we copped a rocket and the boys came out with the best pressure I’ve seen in a long time. I recommend watching McGovern’s goal in the first quarter that is caused by waves of pressure that ultimately cause a Geelong error. Then after the Saints game we also copped it and they came out with crazy pressure against the Dogs. Pretty much all the goals in the first quarter were caused by pressure. H running down Johannisen typifies what we were about that time. That’s the good. But the bad is not bringing sufficient pressure for 4 quarters in a lot of the other games - Richmond, Melbourne, Saints, Hawthorn, Adelaide.

I think by in large the talent is there. Yes, it isn’t perfect and needs some tweaking, but I don’t think it’s all that far off the mark. I think the inability to consistently apply pressure is the biggest concern. And unless DT can get them going in this regard I think we’re going to be up against it. We may make finals over the next few years but to win 3-4 finals in a 4 week period pressure must be non-negotiable. We aren’t there yet and IMO it’s DT’s biggest challenge going forward.

Hear, hear. Very well said.