You bring in kids and play them in a side that is constantly losing you stifle their development .
It is a bit hard to expect SPS and co to suddenly own the field when they have never had the leadership there to begin with,
this goes right back to Murphy and Gibbs time - We have chucked them in the deep end and expect them to become superstars when there is no one there to show them the way or protect them .
Bolton played young blokes hoping to fast track their development but it ruins it because they end up second guessing themselves all the time .
No team has done it look at GWS and Gold coast all the best young talent in the world but with out the senior players to guide them forget it . GWS went slightly better because they drafted experience to the club . Brisbane decided to bring in experience by the way of Neal and Hodge .
we bring in blokes that are on the fringe trying to find their own way who are to concerned about their own game to worry about others ,
Who shows Cripps how to be a leader and a team player when no one has shown Murphy or Simpson because we tossed them out years ago.
Blokes like Jones, Levi , Murphy , Curnow are to worried about their own games to bring others along with them - these guys despite being in the system for years still have doubts about their own ability and don't know how to take a game on and turn it around .

we expect everyone to be Sam Walsh but unfortunately they are few and far between

I don't know how you break this cycle

Nichols and co passed it on to Fitzpatric and co - who passed it on to Kernahan, Bradley Ratten and Co - Pagan came in and blue up the succession plan and we have been chasing our tail ever since - Only Judd lead by example and unfortunately not enough around Judd followed his example

The culture can be created by the incumbents.
Cotchin was schooled by some of the most petulant and selfish players to plays the game. Richmond were shit for 30 years yet they are the poster boys for selflessness.
It's up to todays leaders of the club. They have to re-align what they value as a group. Tackles, goal assists, getting more enjoyment out of seeing your mate contribute than pumping up your own goal or possession tally, unrewarded running, a chase down tackle and the 50 other things that should be valued before personal acclaim.

Those things don't need to be passed down by historical figures. They need someone strong enough today to draw the line in the sand and demand 100% buy in from the rest.
Anyone who doesn't or can't live those values, don't play them or trade them out. We need strong leadership today. forget the past.

I think it can be done, and not that hard actually (as opposed to time, yes it can take some time and so we need to start now) , but it takes a concerted effort. Planning, knowing the markers that you must stick to etc. Being clear and beings stable in your expectations and decisions when those expectations aren't met. Mostly it involves being honest and open.

IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.

You bring in kids and play them in a side that is constantly losing you stifle their development .
It is a bit hard to expect SPS and co to suddenly own the field when they have never had the leadership there to begin with,
this goes right back to Murphy and Gibbs time - We have chucked them in the deep end and expect them to become superstars when there is no one there to show them the way or protect them .
Bolton played young blokes hoping to fast track their development but it ruins it because they end up second guessing themselves all the time .
No team has done it look at GWS and Gold coast all the best young talent in the world but with out the senior players to guide them forget it . GWS went slightly better because they drafted experience to the club . Brisbane decided to bring in experience by the way of Neal and Hodge .
we bring in blokes that are on the fringe trying to find their own way who are to concerned about their own game to worry about others ,
Who shows Cripps how to be a leader and a team player when no one has shown Murphy or Simpson because we tossed them out years ago.
Blokes like Jones, Levi , Murphy , Curnow are to worried about their own games to bring others along with them - these guys despite being in the system for years still have doubts about their own ability and don't know how to take a game on and turn it around .

we expect everyone to be Sam Walsh but unfortunately they are few and far between

I don't know how you break this cycle

Nichols and co passed it on to Fitzpatric and co - who passed it on to Kernahan, Bradley Ratten and Co - Pagan came in and blue up the succession plan and we have been chasing our tail ever since - Only Judd lead by example and unfortunately not enough around Judd followed his example

Maybe Weiters is our Rance
Maybe Walsh is our Martin
Maybe Cripps our Cochin
Maybe Harry our Jack
Maybe Murphy out Lids

Who knows the making could be there .
Richmond went from shite to brilliant very quickly

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I feel for Teague.

He may be a really good coach, or he may not, it's too early to tell. But until he's got competent people around him and a playing group willing to actually do some hard work, he'll never get the opportunity to reach any potential.

IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.

IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.

He's the senior coach FFS Don.

Nobody put a gun to his head when the job came up...he could've easily said, "i need a few more years to develop my coaching craft"

The perception from many Carl supporters of what's wrong...or what feels wrong at the moment, could be easily changed by Teague on his own, even if he had 4 nutless monkeys as his assistants

Yeah I'm being hardarsed but IMHO, David Teague has brought on most of the criticism himself