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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:45 am 
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When he speaks,is it him or a Telecom recording machine ? so wooden,dull,lifeless.How the faark are people gonna be motivated and inspired by this guy ?

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Getting sick of this guy, admittedly going early but sometimes you know a coach clearly isn't up to it and should never have got the job.

He wasn't even a contender in 2019 until winning a few games with an experienced side.

Right in mid week when he said "oh its not about the win against Port" knew we were going to dish that crap up.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:06 pm 
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Getting sick of this guy, admittedly going early but sometimes you know a coach clearly isn't up to it and should never have got the job.

He wasn't even a contender in 2019 until winning a few games with an experienced side.

Right in mid week when he said "oh its not about the win against Port" knew we were going to dish that crap up.


Did he really say that? That's Malthouse-esque....

"It's about the process" :banghead:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:19 pm 
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Yep...mid week interview on SEN when he was asked if it was a must win.

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Teague on facing Port Adelaide: "I think this is something our group need to handle. We may not get the result but we'll go out there, play the way we want to play and see where we're at.

"We feel if we play our way with intent and conviction, we will win the game."


https://mobile.twitter.com/SENBreakfast ... 6981242882

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:21 pm 
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Big month ahead for the club.

Lions, Dons, Dogs, Dees

1-3 or 0-4 and the jungle drums will start beating.


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Anyone have Clarko’s phone number ?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:36 am 
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There is a great article in the Age today about current predicament

I think it sums it up nicely about the lack of development of our draftees and not enough class around the ball to support Cripps and Walsh

There is not much more you can add. I think we may be back in nowhere land where you aren’t challenging or rebuilding.

I think the media have now realised we may have missed the boat

Time for a reset me thinks. Tough decisions to be made by the club. The next month will tell us more.


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Lack of development? Perhaps but I'd lean toward poor draft selections with our midfielders.

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I feel for Teague.

He may be a really good coach, or he may not, it's too early to tell. But until he's got competent people around him and a playing group willing to actually do some hard work, he'll never get the opportunity to reach any potential.

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IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:24 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Lack of development? Perhaps but I'd lean toward poor draft selections with our midfielders.


Exactly.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:25 am 
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exactly BV - Teague needs to demand how they play and he must be prepared to back it up with selections in and out that set the standards, not words, actions - in the end that is all we have.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:27 am 
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He isn't much without his onfield leaders: Mitchell, Lewis and Hodge. says it all.
They were doing the heavy lifting on the field; patrolling the troops and uncompromising with expectations.

They are still leaders whilst Clarkson's team folds under pressure in the last....what happened there? The wheels fell off.
Must have been an inspiring message from the coach with no leaders.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:34 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.


:clap:

Selflessness is a state of mind.

The play a 360 degree game, no offside, and everything around the ball is part of the play: not just the self.

Get everyone involved and on the same page and things will change quickly.

Its up to Teague to drive the minimal expectations.

If Teague hasn't addresssed the abovementioned as non negotiables then he isn't going to last long as we plummet out of the finals race.

Things can change quickly. We will get more of our prized personnel back in the team over the next weeks and months.

Clarkson didn't have a problem moving on Mitchell, Hodge and Lewis and they were giving much much more than some of our players.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:43 am 
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Several times I noticed a Carlton player well within range to exert some pressure on the opposition player in possession instead trot after their own opponent. With other teams playing a swarm-the-ballcarrier style game it's weird to watch us give our opponents comparitively easy disposals. The uncontested possession stats were heavily skewed in Port's favour which indicates that too much of their ball use was under minimal pressure.
If that's a coaching/gameplan decision then it's a huge fail IMO.

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Blue Vain wrote:
IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.



Agree with all this, our players don’t have the mindset, our club’s culture is one of acceptable losses, our list is still shallow of mids, even second tier mids.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:32 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
IMHO, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up and so do our players.
When the players complain about getting a serve off the coach and he apologises, there's a soft underbelly existing.
He drives the standards. He is in control of his own personal actions. Not the players or assistant coaches.
He sets the program, the expectations, the methodology and minimum requirements. If he sets the direction with authority and he fails, full credit to him for having the guts to give it his best.
When he allows the players and others to set the agenda, he's doing us and himself no favours.

The difference in skill and ability between us and the top sides is minimal. It's our approach that is piss poor. People use buzz words like selflessness and they're sometimes scoffed at in the football community but nothing is more apt.
Our players wouldn't have a clue about selflessness on the football field. Whilst our captain prefers to take 3 opponents on instead of giving it to a team mate, the example is set. Whilst he prefers to kick the ball instead of giving to well placed runners on his outside like he did numerous times on Saturday, the example is set.
Whilst Harry runs at a football wanting the mark instead of blocking his opponent and calling McGovern back with the flight, the example is set.
We have players that want to feather their own nest instead of taking pleasure in seeing their team mates flourish.
Watch Richmond or the Bulldogs. Or Geelong in at their peak. The players celebrated the selflessness. They took pleasure in tackling to allow a ball to spill free for a team mate. They took pleasure in shepherding, or giving the ball off to a team mate in a better position. Why? Because it was celebrated as their key to success. They knew that it would lead to team success and that they would be valued by the team for doing the hard things that really matter.
They play manic football, they chase, tackle, harass and bust a gut to close space. Because it's what is valued and celebrated by them.

We're miles off that. Not because we're not capable but because as I said above. Teague drives the standards. We focus on the outcome instead of the means.
And assistant coach was interviewed at half time and he was asked how we'll turn it around. He said we want to get the ball in our front half and pin it in there. That's not a strategy. That's Teagues pipe dream. That what he talks about when asked about our brand.
But it's the process that is the key. How do you achieve it? How do you bridge the gap between us and the best teams?
It's not about talent now. It's about approach and most importantly, it's about attitude.
Teague has his hands on the wheel. I dont feel sorry for him. I want him to harden the @#$%&! up and set some standards that will make us a tough, uncompromising, competitive team. It's no none elses responsibility. It's his.



Spot on. 100% correct .. especially the reference to cripps and Harry..

Perhaps that's down to trust as well. They take it on to do it all themselves because they don't trust their team mates ...

I especially took note of the mcgovern/Harry and thought that was everything wrong with our club ...

Harry should have called him, let him take the mark and hopefully kick the goal which would have done wonders for McGovern confidence ... instead it lead to McGovern backing off.

Same scenario happened in the game later on and it was a disaster, neither got to the ball ...

Hopefully that comes with some cohesion ... but for mine it summaries where we are at as a club ... too many interested in self interest and contract dollars as opposed to doing what is better for the team .. why we won't compete at the pointy end until we rectify it.

We are just carrying too many passengers as well but I'm not convinced that if we had a full list that our passengers wouldnt be in the side anyway... thats on team selection.

We have a long way to go in my opinion and I don't think it's the players as such, but rather all aspects of the club that need to be considered.

Honestly me dad is getting on so I drive from cheltenham to Berwick, pick him up then drive to the game .. happy to do it.. but start to question why I drive for nearly four hours every game and make that effort... when the players don't appear to make the same commitment. I pay for it as well... abit frustraing.


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