IMO The problem today was player selection foremost:
-Philips is a good tap ruck and even though we won the hit-outs today, Kreuzer is not a good tap ruck and frequently hit the ball to the opposition when he gets his hand on it. However he is another mid and is good at it.
-The Gov, although he played ok should not have come in. Why do we need 4 talls in the team in the rain.
-Dropping Kennedy was a huge mistake when he should've stayed in and at the least had Lang dropped.
-Garlett was an emergency and should've been played considering the speed of their team.
-We should've also played Dow and/or Stocker for more leg speed and played a rushing game like they do.

The game plan with linking talls into the forward half in wet conditions had Harry go missing and our players bombing it again into the F50 to 1 on 4s. There was many a time, players pushing forward kicked it high to a tall on the wing rather than linking with handballs and pushing forward as a team. And we got killed on turnover. We've been doing it for a couple of years now so when are we going to call a spade a spade here and put the blame on Teague, it's his area after all.

What was also apparent was the centre clearances and how we got smoked by them without Martin and Cotchin. Lucky they didn't play.
This has been our issue all year, even before we put Ed and Murph back in. Both are too slow compared to the new age mids coming through. And it's pretty simple for other teams, shut down Cripps, kill us on the spread and we're cooked. If we don't get mids this year, expect another tough season next year.

We are lucky we have been developing such a good defence over the last couple of years otherwise we would've been annihilated. Jones, Weitering, Plowman, Newman, Simpson, Thomas and even SPS to an extent held back a very attacking outfit.

The problem today was our centre clearances, our start, and our smalls just didn’t hit the score board like there’s did.

Garlett has to have a chance. He is kicking goals in tyhe twos, he is quick, he has x factor.
All of those things are missing from Lang and DeLuca.
OK, they have better defensive sides but we need some X factor.
If he doesn't work out or even look like it, that's fine but for mine, he could replace any of DeLuca, Lang, Fisher and we would be no worse off.
Our F50 entries gave been crap for years. The 'kick it ong to Sticks/Fev/McKay mentality only works if the structure is in place to back it up.
Meanwhile, we get out-marked in our own F50 and then murdered on the rebound through the middle to an open F50 at their end. Thank goodness Jones and Weitering are god in the air or we would regularly lose by 50 points.
Unless three is some sort of changed mentality next week, we will lose to StK and that is not on the way we have been going about it. I have this terrible sensation that last night was a fork in the road. Next week is going to show us what they are made of.

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I agree that this game is very important.
Teague's future as senior coach may well rest on the result.
I'm sure Coniglio will be watching and if the Dees beat the Swans it might have a significant affect on the outcome of the Stocker trade. (Saying that I would think Melbourne would tank the last game of the year if they beat the Swans in order to get Rowell or Anderson).

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You're only as good as your bottom 6 players.
Yoy mentioned them, but you can't paint every player with the same brush.
We lack depth of ready made players: see Richmond reserves.

The Teague train is our momentum, not our brake imo

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Really obvious to many we need a tap ruckman who can feed a midfield group led by Cripps, Curnow and Murphy.

I love Kreuze. Truly love him for his loyalty to the Bluebaggers but he's not the answer moving forward.
Until he is replaced by someone bigger and tougher than Philips and Lobbe, this will be a continued trend.

Imagine a Grundy or Gawn feeding the abovementioned mids.

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Fair points

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We lack pace and ball carriers
Bolton had more of an impact than Curnow yesterday yet didn’t get it nearly as much
We have too many plodders
Setterfield
Silvagni
Curnow
Lang
Deluca
Cripps is amazing but not quick
Walsh has his worst game but he has been terrific
Fisher is way out of form but he has provided run and carry in the past
O’Brien is way off the pace for a second year top 10 pick
Needs to harden up
The concern for me yesterday was our best players were are old ones

Two things for next year to consider
If DeKoning has a big preseason I would have him first ruck
Fast track his progress like the Dogs have with English
Kreuzer can’t make it through a full season Phillips lacks the physicality
There needs to be a week to week synergy
We were smashed at the centre clearances with no Martin and Cotchin
2 To not be fit enough to play when your on $700000
A year is hard to fathom
McGovern is here for another 4 years so I would have him in another role further up the ground
Similar to Jeremy at the coasters or even a wing
If that doesn’t work because of his work rate make him the highest paid reserves player
He was ok when he came back on
Still don’t rate him

Id have Jones in that list - Very stiff not to be acknowledged

Jones won one of th most important battles on the ground vs Reiwoldt.

Weiters was not given fair treatment by umpire.
4 Frees against 0 frees for.
Robbed.

Even heard umpire say to Reiwoldt that he dragged Weiters down not the other way around, and still didnt pay the free to Weiters.
Caught out by his own microphone. That's typical of the umpiring against Carlton.

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My favourite was when he had his arm held *before* he took possession of the ball with his free hand yet got pinged for HTB.

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dont blame the weather tigers have beaten us in last 5 yrs day night doesnt matter ,why do they beat us simple to quick and our game plan of kicking the long bomb fell into there hands and away they go .So after the wce game i thought the team and coaches would have learned but no .My concern with the currant coach is we are falling behind in to many games ,how does he change this .

Thanks for raisin' this.

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Sour grapes perhaps.

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We could've done with Ollie Wines out there

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did Shaun Griggio play?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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Is Rocca at the club full time working on our forward conversions or just a day here and there? Seems a bit like Semi Sav at the moment...