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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
jim wrote:
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Are you surprised we are 2 wins and 11 losses
I’m not.

Keogh, the reason we are so poor is beacause we stuffed up 7 drafts in a row from 2008 to 2014 (except Cripps). It really is that simple. It isn't because of what we've done from 2015 to present.



The reason we are where we are at the moment is because we’ve stuffed up the last 4 trade periods.


Most of those trades were steak knives or delisted free agents just trying to find big bodies for the kids. SOS made it clear they were VFL players and needed for the kids. While you're picking kids with your picks you're not able to use those picks to get top players. The plan was to go to the draft for 3 years and use the picks there. We have set up a decent side through the draft, just lack the good 24-27yos, not for the lack of trying, mostly because no-one decent wants to come to us.

We got ourselves in this position because we stuffed up every from from the 90s to 2014.



Agree with all that
Problem is the mature players were or are below average
He could of done a lot better. There would be a dozen blokes in the Geelong Football League better
than some blokes he got to top the list up. Meanwhile clubs like Geelong snag Kelly. Not enough diligence was placed on getting some mature bodies from the West and South Australia .

I keep coming back to the point about the third year of this rebuild.
We were not just bad. We were absolutely pathetic. Surely the List Management team might take stock and think that some of blokes they recruited were not as good as they thought.
Getting blokes like Shaw,Mullett and O’ Shea was plain @#$%&! embarrassing

What compounds the problem more is Dow, O’ Brien and Kennedy who were picked with high picks.
They really haven’t done much.
Kennedy is ordinary
O’Brien is soft and many recruiters were surprised by his selection at ten for that reason
Dow is a real concern. His kicking is horrible but more of a worry is he can’t find it
He needs to go back to the magoos to get some confidence

Personally I don’t think much of the other 2
Hopefully DeKoning will become the ruckman we need.
They should of reset again last year at the draft and didn’t.
Do what it’s worth McAdam has the physical tools to make it
Kreuger is showing great form at the VFL
At the very least we should have used pick 13 on Stocker and waited a year before going for mature players
But not McGovern
Setterfield is just a player. I personally would of kept Kreuger and had a pick on the early 20s in this draft. Sos’sbest pick was Fisher at 27. It can be done Jim.
Fasolo :fight:


Sos’s first draft was excellent. His second draft was good although with picking deciding its all too hard
means the Tuohy trade is a bit of a stinker .

Our first 3 picks in the 2019 draft will be around 15 then 2 picks in the 40 s
I wonder what MLG thinks of that
I think I know what Liddle thinks.
The future is not looking good


Any NGA players coming through this year Keogh? There is talk about one of the Wild boys.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:00 pm 
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windy wrote:
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And honestly tell me where you thought we would be on the ladder half way through the season


One thing for sure, if I expressed my opinion I wouldn't repeat it in every vaguely relevant thread, 301 times.

Or should I say "would of not repeated"?

You are tiresome Keogh. Take the hint.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:06 pm 
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In relation to the other poster’s 6 board mantras

With point 4 that baby went out the window in last years draft
Point 5 is debatable
And point 4 and 5 relate to point 6

Interesting Freo have less players in their list from 2016 than us
That’s been a stock standard line from our club
Yeah we have had a lot of list changes
Excuse again
Going in 2 weeks
I know you are all looking forward to my blow by blow March report


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:24 pm 
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keogh wrote:
In relation to the other poster’s 6 board mantras

With point 4 that baby went out the window in last years draft
Point 5 is debatable
And point 4 and 5 relate to point 6

Interesting Freo have less players in their list from 2016 than us
That’s been a stock standard line from our club
Yeah we have had a lot of list changes
Excuse again
Going in 2 weeks
I know you are all looking forward to my blow by blow March report


But we are carrying really old men with Simmo 35, Murphy 32 and daisy 32 on their last legs.
They have Mundy and Sandilands, but they have a replacement for Sandy and Mundy keeps motoring on and gets better.

Carlton have stripped their list right back to the core.
OTC were only looking at the 22 who fronted last round.
Not a true indication imo.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:58 pm 
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In corporate world, its desirable to have a steady board, with board members having longer tenures than the faster turnover of CEOs, to provide consistent direction and strategy.
In footy world, the comparison may be more appropriate to the faster turnover of coaches.

I'm not fussed if the board members hang around for a while, as long as they hold the footy department to account. Mckay, Rogers, Hughes - they were allowed to hang around too long.
The malthouse recruitment was a disaster.
The committee didn't get it right with Bolts, but the process was the right one.

I think as long as we have such strong vested interests on the board, pulling the strings, with self strong self interests... Then there will always something for Keogh to post about :grin:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:22 am 
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How about that game against the bulldogs hey...???

Was a weird one !

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 am 
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Hand jobs and friendship go together well...


We’ve been friends nearly two decades.

Am I doing something wrong? :lol:
A bit more up n down, and loosen yer grip....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:59 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
How about that game against the bulldogs hey...???

Was a weird one !

This is the equivalent of the umpire doing nothing about the pinching complaint.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:42 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
How about that game against the bulldogs hey...???

Was a weird one !

This is the equivalent of the umpire doing nothing about the pinching complaint.

I didn't see the game, but I went to the first Bulldogs game. Where we played 4 quarters of sustained pressurised footy. And walked away with a win, easily in the end.

This game the Blues go well for a quarter and a bit and get pipped by 3 points. What that means I have NFI, but maybe, just maybe as simple as the game goes for 4 quarters, so apply yourself for 4 #@%$& quarters.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:12 am 
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keogh wrote:
In relation to the other poster’s 6 board mantras

With point 4 that baby went out the window in last years draft
Point 5 is debatable
And point 4 and 5 relate to point 6

Interesting Freo have less players in their list from 2016 than us
That’s been a stock standard line from our club
Yeah we have had a lot of list changes
Excuse again
Going in 2 weeks
I know you are all looking forward to my blow by blow March report


Who's making excuses?

The board does not make those decisions, it does appoint the people to make those decisions.

If you are critical of the appointment of SOS, then who should the club have targeted? Which other list manager has had experience with completely building or rebuilding a list.

By all means hold the board accountable for the people or strategy put in place, but they are not accountable for the execution of their directions

Tell me one thing Keogh, is the club in a better position in terms of list, membership, financial and potential for on field success than 4 years ago?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:20 am 
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murraycray wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
How about that game against the bulldogs hey...???

Was a weird one !

This is the equivalent of the umpire doing nothing about the pinching complaint.

I didn't see the game, but I went to the first Bulldogs game. Where we played 4 quarters of sustained pressurised footy. And walked away with a win, easily in the end.

This game the Blues go well for a quarter and a bit and get pipped by 3 points. What that means I have NFI, but maybe, just maybe as simple as the game goes for 4 quarters, so apply yourself for 4 #@%$& quarters.


I went to the game, but have had to watch it again to make some sense of it.

Players don't really have the balance right and are trying to work it out on the run.

The dogs got smashed in the middle last time with SPS and Cripps walking out of the contest, they were much more fierce at the contest this time and we need to work out how to get cripps back in the game when tagged, he did get much better in second half though.

We need to develop JSOS as an inside mid that can swap with cripps so that if we need to help break a tag we can send Cripps forward. I can see anyone else on the list that can fill that role and I wouldn't be using quality picks or trades to find one


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:28 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
How about that game against the bulldogs hey...???

Was a weird one !

This is the equivalent of the umpire doing nothing about the pinching complaint.


You try and use the moderator function of this site on an iphone in a hotel late at night on patchy wifi.

Much harder than giving a free kick for pinching !!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:31 am 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
We need to develop JSOS as an inside mid that can swap with cripps so that if we need to help break a tag we can send Cripps forward. I can see anyone else on the list that can fill that role and I wouldn't be using quality picks or trades to find one


Next year the likes of SPS, Fisher, Cunningham, Dow, Walsh, Setterfield and Stocker should be able to provide more assistance in this regard.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:24 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
We need to develop JSOS as an inside mid that can swap with cripps so that if we need to help break a tag we can send Cripps forward. I can see anyone else on the list that can fill that role and I wouldn't be using quality picks or trades to find one


Next year the likes of SPS, Fisher, Cunningham, Dow, Walsh, Setterfield and Stocker should be able to provide more assistance in this regard.


To be honest, only setterfield has the assets to play that role and ATM I think that JSOS would play that role better.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:41 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
We need to develop JSOS as an inside mid that can swap with cripps so that if we need to help break a tag we can send Cripps forward. I can see anyone else on the list that can fill that role and I wouldn't be using quality picks or trades to find one


Next year the likes of SPS, Fisher, Cunningham, Dow, Walsh, Setterfield and Stocker should be able to provide more assistance in this regard.


They are not big bodied mids.

Setterfield will take years to stack on muscle.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:52 pm 
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I've no idea why SOSOS was dropped.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:14 am 
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zoneman wrote:
I've no idea why SOSOS was dropped.

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They're testing his mettle.
He goes back and slaughters it so they select him again in the ones.
His issue is that he isn't really good at anything except busting his arse in the contest and that doesn't show on the stats sheet. His 3peat effort that led to our first goal against the Lions shows up as a smothered kick and a handball. It doesn't say how hard he worked to get that footy outside. yes, the coaches saw it but in the hurly burly of the end of the year review, it will be forgotten.
He has worked hard on his body shape and if he can develop into a midfielder, I think that's his best hope but the coaches see him as a forward option in a team with three tall forwards.

I liked Jordan Lewis in 360 when he told how when went back to the twos he asked to play in the midfield so he could get some touches where he used to play at Hawthorn.
Jack should be asking for time where he thinks he has the best chance. If that's in the midfield, he should be looking for midfield minutes. If not, he can only do what he is doing and get lots of the footy, tackle, do the 1%ers and kick goals. If that isn't good enough to displace Charlie, Harry or Gov or get a pressure forward position, he looks elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:27 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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I've no idea why SOSOS was dropped.

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They're testing his mettle.
He goes back and slaughters it so they select him again in the ones.
His issue is that he isn't really good at anything except busting his arse in the contest and that doesn't show on the stats sheet. His 3peat effort that led to our first goal against the Lions shows up as a smothered kick and a handball. It doesn't say how hard he worked to get that footy outside. yes, the coaches saw it but in the hurly burly of the end of the year review, it will be forgotten.
He has worked hard on his body shape and if he can develop into a midfielder, I think that's his best hope but the coaches see him as a forward option in a team with three tall forwards.

I liked Jordan Lewis in 360 when he told how when went back to the twos he asked to play in the midfield so he could get some touches where he used to play at Hawthorn.
Jack should be asking for time where he thinks he has the best chance. If that's in the midfield, he should be looking for midfield minutes. If not, he can only do what he is doing and get lots of the footy, tackle, do the 1%ers and kick goals. If that isn't good enough to displace Charlie, Harry or Gov or get a pressure forward position, he looks elsewhere.


Great post, I fully concur


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