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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:01 am 
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Wow! What a rollercoaster of a game!
Exciting and frustrating. Imagine how it will be when every player is firing.

I felt we lost it late in the third quarter. When we were 7 pts up there was a dubious HTB decision at half forward against Setterfield (I think). Kruezer kicked it off the ground for a certain goal. The ball was called back and then the Floggies got two goals. Momentum killing.


Lots of positives. The five late goals was the highlight. Charlie also.
Last year this would have blown out to a 10 goal loss.

Negatives. The worst one was the umpires wanting to be part of the outcome rather than just officiating.
The deliberate out of bounds against Weitering did my head in :donk:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:04 am 
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Was a wild, exhilarating, excruciating ride.
Bit like the Hawks game: Gutted to lose but hopeful they’ll soon have the tools and know how to win again.

At the end of the day, it’s another wasted chance to get off the bottom.

Doubts over Newman grow by the game.

McGovern (especially), Harry.

Setters, LOB more involved again.

Walsh just keeps on going.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:10 am 
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Just on Walsh.
The big raps and headlines will come for Rankine and the King boys who could all be anything - our versions of Charlie - but No.18 is just what we need right now. We need players to impact straight away.
Not as big as last week but the kid still backs it up with a very serviceable game.
Here’s to 250-300 games in Navy Blue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
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We need a ruckman that can push the ball to our advantage (consistently) at Centre bounces and our midfield (Cripps) needs big bodied assistance in the middle for those Centre clearances, and that’s just to keep us in the game, to win games we need run out of the backline and forwards that can keep the ball in our forward line once the ball hits the ground.

SOS are you able to deliver those - you haven’t been able to over the past 4 years.



Unlikely with a pick around 15 and 2 third rounders :wink:



He’s already shown he couldn’t do it with a full hand, let alone with the one you’ve indicated above.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:20 am 
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AGRO wrote:
keogh wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We need a ruckman that can push the ball to our advantage (consistently) at Centre bounces and our midfield (Cripps) needs big bodied assistance in the middle for those Centre clearances, and that’s just to keep us in the game, to win games we need run out of the backline and forwards that can keep the ball in our forward line once the ball hits the ground.

SOS are you able to deliver those - you haven’t been able to over the past 4 years.



Unlikely with a pick around 15 and 2 third rounders :wink:



He’s already shown he couldn’t do it with a full hand, let alone with the one you’ve indicated above.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:37 am 
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keogh wrote:
My observations
The difference tonight was the dogs had Dunkley Macrae
Bontempilli and Liberatore

We had Cripps and that’s it
We got smashed out of the middle because of weight of numbers

Once Libba went off we were better off

Kennedy and Setterfield were recruited to lighten the load in this area
Both have failed to deliver so far
I watched Setters closely last night
He is an average player at best
One paced ordinary kick
Played mainly on the wing but when he was on the ball he outside the pack
like the rest of them except for Cripps and Curnow
I thought he was recruited to play in the guts.
Gibbons has copped plenty on this thread
He is a pure on baller and needs to play in the middle
He is a good reader of the ball in congestion

Dow needs a spell in the twos
He can’t find the pill and this will aid his development but I’m
a bit concerned he is a dumb footballer and a miss at pick 3

Plowman is a very average player. One of the worst kicks I have seen .
I would love posters who speak in such glowing terms of him to
specifically tell me and other doubters what they specifically like about him as a footballer
No vague rhetoric like “he plays his role” or shit like that because I reckon he is ordinary at his best
I would drop him and at the very least see what Schumacher has to offer in defence
At leastSchumacher can kick the ball

O’Brien could be another bust from the 2017 draft .
Very soft when the pressure is on
Other recruiters were surprised he went at pick 10

And McGovern
Well The MC need to drop this bloke
Given our history at the selection table with the no knackers policy
I severely doubt it

It could go down as worse a trade than the Mansfield/ Chapman beauty unless
our esteemed protected List Manager can jag a champ with the extra third round pick
we acquired from the trade


Agree with the highlighted bits
Our biggest issue with dropping the likes of Dow/SPS/Fisher/Murphy (for whatever reason-form. fatigue etc) is that we have no quick mids in the 2s. Our side would become even slower

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:46 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Has anyone here been banging on about Charlie?

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He played really well mosh

It was 1 game. His season has been average thus far due to a variety of factors

I want to see wins where the contribution is shared

I grew up in the 70s and 80s where Carlton players never won the Brownlow or the Coleman but as a collective, we won games. I'm not comparing the sides of the two eras. I just don't want to go and watch one great player

I don't want us to become like a StK who'd go to watch Barker or Melbourne who'd go to watch Flower etc

Others may feel differently but Charlie's 7 goals didn't mitigate my frustration one bit last night as I walked out of the ground

And I'm happy to stand by my comments that Charlie could also play an outside midfield role in conjunction with his forward role.
The whooshest of whooshes.

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Not sure what you meant but I'm pretty sure it was a dig because I didn't party long and hard into the night celebrating Curnow's 7 goal haul

Might have been more fans partying if Curnow had kicked 6 and Mackay/McGovern 2 each

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:50 am 
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keogh wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We need a ruckman that can push the ball to our advantage (consistently) at Centre bounces and our midfield (Cripps) needs big bodied assistance in the middle for those Centre clearances, and that’s just to keep us in the game, to win games we need run out of the backline and forwards that can keep the ball in our forward line once the ball hits the ground.

SOS are you able to deliver those - you haven’t been able to over the past 4 years.



Unlikely with a pick around 15 and 2 third rounders :wink:



SOS job is to find a good ruckman at league level around the 23-25 age bracket. I'm sure they exist

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:52 am 
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CFC8795 wrote:
Wow! What a rollercoaster of a game!
Exciting and frustrating. Imagine how it will be when every player is firing.

I felt we lost it late in the third quarter. When we were 7 pts up there was a dubious HTB decision at half forward against Setterfield (I think). Kruezer kicked it off the ground for a certain goal. The ball was called back and then the Floggies got two goals. Momentum killing.


Lots of positives. The five late goals was the highlight. Charlie also.
Last year this would have blown out to a 10 goal loss.

Negatives. The worst one was the umpires wanting to be part of the outcome rather than just officiating.
The deliberate out of bounds against Weitering did my head in :donk:


What about 10 scoring shots to zip bw the end of the third and 17 min mark of the last??

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 am 
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There were some calls last night that did not go our way. Weiters OUB was a rough one.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:58 am 
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Jiahao Blue wrote:
There were some calls last night that did not go our way. Weiters OUB was a rough one.


Umps definitely played a cameo role in the loss

Our headspace was the lead actor in the loss

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:00 pm 
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Jiahao Blue wrote:
There were some calls last night that did not go our way. Weiters OUB was a rough one.



I was at the ground so didn't see it on telly...did the ball touch the padding of the post with the score review goal?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:16 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
AGRO wrote:
keogh wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We need a ruckman that can push the ball to our advantage (consistently) at Centre bounces and our midfield (Cripps) needs big bodied assistance in the middle for those Centre clearances, and that’s just to keep us in the game, to win games we need run out of the backline and forwards that can keep the ball in our forward line once the ball hits the ground.

SOS are you able to deliver those - you haven’t been able to over the past 4 years.



Unlikely with a pick around 15 and 2 third rounders :wink:



He’s already shown he couldn’t do it with a full hand, let alone with the one you’ve indicated above.

:wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:18 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
keogh wrote:
My observations
The difference tonight was the dogs had Dunkley Macrae
Bontempilli and Liberatore

We had Cripps and that’s it
We got smashed out of the middle because of weight of numbers

Once Libba went off we were better off

Kennedy and Setterfield were recruited to lighten the load in this area
Both have failed to deliver so far
I watched Setters closely last night
He is an average player at best
One paced ordinary kick
Played mainly on the wing but when he was on the ball he outside the pack
like the rest of them except for Cripps and Curnow
I thought he was recruited to play in the guts.
Gibbons has copped plenty on this thread
He is a pure on baller and needs to play in the middle
He is a good reader of the ball in congestion

Dow needs a spell in the twos
He can’t find the pill and this will aid his development but I’m
a bit concerned he is a dumb footballer and a miss at pick 3

Plowman is a very average player. One of the worst kicks I have seen .
I would love posters who speak in such glowing terms of him to
specifically tell me and other doubters what they specifically like about him as a footballer
No vague rhetoric like “he plays his role” or shit like that because I reckon he is ordinary at his best
I would drop him and at the very least see what Schumacher has to offer in defence
At leastSchumacher can kick the ball

O’Brien could be another bust from the 2017 draft .
Very soft when the pressure is on
Other recruiters were surprised he went at pick 10

And McGovern
Well The MC need to drop this bloke
Given our history at the selection table with the no knackers policy
I severely doubt it

It could go down as worse a trade than the Mansfield/ Chapman beauty unless
our esteemed protected List Manager can jag a champ with the extra third round pick
we acquired from the trade


Agree with the highlighted bits
Our biggest issue with dropping the likes of Dow/SPS/Fisher/Murphy (for whatever reason-form. fatigue etc) is that we have no quick mids in the 2s. Our side would become even slower

Yep and why is that
Is that Bolton or Teagues fault?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Negatives? The bullshit philosophy of wanting an extra number behind the ball continues and tonight it hurt us badly. To see Newman as our loose behind the ball and to see the Dogs with an extra at the stoppages (where they were killing us) was doing my head in. The coaches were too stubborn or too slow to react but it's @#$%&! lunacy. Exactly what effect do they expect Newman to have? He can't impact as a third man in. He is poor overhead and his form is average at best.
At no stage did our spare impact. Instead it allowed the Dogs to utilise their spare, control the ball and pick holes in our zone.
Forget this bullshit about allowing the players to go out and play. That's why we're overpossessing at times and some players are playing their own game too often. You're coaches. Coach the @#$%&! team. Beveridge took us apart in the first half.

Looking at the positives, I always felt we could get back into the game. Even when we were 30+ points down. Over the past few years, we would have been rolled by 50+.
Cuningham some good moments. That crumb goal was a pisser. Cripps, Murphy, Fisher, Dow, Kreuzer and SPS flogged around the ball early yet we lost by 3 points.
Charlie. What a gun. For those calling for him to go down back or play on ball, :lol: . He's easily our best forward and a match winner. If we can keep him and he stays injury free, he'll be our most watchable and dynamic player since Kouta.

Poor discipline cost us in the end but it was an entertaining game. I'm glad I went.


Anyone who can't see Charlie as a match winner has rocks in their head.
Based on last night's performance, you'd be mad to throw him on the ball.
Presented really well further up the ground and near goals.
Charlie has an engine.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:39 pm 
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Gee, Libba is a flower.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:42 pm 
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Gee, Libba is a flower.

Surely should cop the $1000 'obscene' gesture' fine?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Negatives? The bullshit philosophy of wanting an extra number behind the ball continues and tonight it hurt us badly. To see Newman as our loose behind the ball and to see the Dogs with an extra at the stoppages (where they were killing us) was doing my head in. The coaches were too stubborn or too slow to react but it's @#$%&! lunacy. Exactly what effect do they expect Newman to have? He can't impact as a third man in. He is poor overhead and his form is average at best.
At no stage did our spare impact. Instead it allowed the Dogs to utilise their spare, control the ball and pick holes in our zone.
Forget this bullshit about allowing the players to go out and play. That's why we're overpossessing at times and some players are playing their own game too often. You're coaches. Coach the @#$%&! team. Beveridge took us apart in the first half.

Looking at the positives, I always felt we could get back into the game. Even when we were 30+ points down. Over the past few years, we would have been rolled by 50+.
Cuningham some good moments. That crumb goal was a pisser. Cripps, Murphy, Fisher, Dow, Kreuzer and SPS flogged around the ball early yet we lost by 3 points.
Charlie. What a gun. For those calling for him to go down back or play on ball, :lol: . He's easily our best forward and a match winner. If we can keep him and he stays injury free, he'll be our most watchable and dynamic player since Kouta.

Poor discipline cost us in the end but it was an entertaining game. I'm glad I went.


Anyone who can't see Charlie as a match winner has rocks in their head.
Based on last night's performance, you'd be mad to throw him on the ball.
Presented really well further up the ground and near goals.
Charlie has an engine.


Why?
It's a team game. It's not about Charlie. Who's to say that some outside midfield time for Charlie doesn't positively change other dynamics for the team??
He's got an engine as you said.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:07 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
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Gee, Libba is a flower.

Surely should cop the $1000 'obscene' gesture' fine?

It is that sort of behaviour that can incite the crowd.
He is such a moron.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:17 pm 
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Has mentioned Libba? Seriously? At a time when people are getting ejected for cheering too loudly this flog taunts people from the other side of the fence? MMM has a comment on FB with years of laughter, assuming if I go on and say that I hope he’s knees flowered and he never plays again I’ll get lauded too?


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