Charlie played TAC as a forward. He had a couple of runs on ball but that was it.
I don't understand the push to play him on ball. Firstly, he hasn't shown an ability to win the ball when he plays there and secondly, he's our best and most versatile forward IMHO.

Is it too late for us to be moved to Gold Coast?

Is it too late for us to be moved to Gold Coast?

Is it too late for us...

Charlie played TAC as a forward. He had a couple of runs on ball but that was it.
I don't understand the push to play him on ball. Firstly, he hasn't shown an ability to win the ball when he plays there and secondly, he's our best and most versatile forward IMHO.

The fact he played a midfield role in TAC remains a fact. I think you're downplaying his success here. More than a couple of runs.

He looked at home when he played there.

Dees were going to take Curnow as a mid ... from half way of that TAC season. He was 191 cms.
Dees went with another mid who had a great run home in Oliver after Curnow's drink driving.

I don't agree with you that Charlie has been our best and most versatile forward this season. He's been one of our biggest disappointments this year, including before he bruised his knee.

Against that backdrop and given we had McKay and McGovern as forward targets who were kicking goals whilst Charlie went missing, and we had a need for midfield support for Cripps, he was an obvious and a good choice for midfield minutes.

Finally, as mentioned above, Charlie played a midfield role in a mini footy game I saw during preseason, against Cripps and he won nearly every contest. He looked a natural in the midfield.

I have no doubt he can play a midfield role, but what I'm spruiking is for midfield minutes, mix things up, put a big body in support of Cripps. I prefer at least two mobile big bodies in the midfield and one small in Fish, SPS ora medium in Dow. Not Kennedy.

If we don't add another big bodied mid and Cripps get tagged, e get smashed see North GWS and last weekends game for proof.

Haven't been here for a while - Like a Ghost town these days

So when the dust settles after the draft and we have our list settled how
will the team perform in 2020
The club pointed the blame at Bolton for its poor performance
Under Teague the club improved heaps but why?

One is a new voice different personality etc
The real test for Teague is the next three years
The other structural change which had a massive effect was Teague putting Murphy and
Curnow in the middle
Bolton tried to fast track Fisher SPS Dow etc and they were ragdolled
Murphy is 33 next year
Take out him and Curnow out and what you have got is Walsh and Cripps and that’s it

Our future midfield is uncertain based on these players performances
Nobody can accurately predict how our midfield will go a few years down the track

You need 8 to 10 guys that can rotate through there to win a flag

I won’t repeat my other views about his recruiting except to say
As Eastwood said in Sudden Impact
Opinions are like arseholes
Everybody’s got one

Yeah, but there's a cool hundred buckaroos to be made off windy. Let's keep quiet and split the winnings.

Keogh, tell me more!

........ The old saying" you can't pull your socks up if you haven't got any " never ages...

Then it's not an old saying.


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In relation to Martin, it would seem we will probably get him in the pre -season draft unless Melbourne can convince him to go there.
If that doesn't happen that is a good move by SOS although he was willing to give up a future second and third rounder.
Martin is overrated IMO based on his output so far. Has heaps of ability, but that is only part of the equation to be a successful player.
To me recruiting and list management are the most important element in achieving a premiership.
The old saying" you can't pull your socks up if you haven't got any " never ages.
Even more so now in 2020 and beyond. All clubs are on a level playing field with facilities,fitness, player welfare etc.
If clubs like the Gold Coast are behind in certain areas, the AFL will prop them up as we have seen recently.
Coaching appointments have changed. We will never see another Hird or Malthouse situation again where blokes are handed the job then proceed to @#$%&! it up. Ross Lyon is a yesterdays man. He wont coach at senior level again.The Pyke situation will become less frequent.
Which makes the importance of recruiting even more vital. Unlike most other aspects that make an AFL club successful recruiting isn't an exact science because predominatly teenagers are recruited.Some develop slowly but can have the ability and the mental capacity to be good players even excellent players in their early 20s as we have seen with Tim Kelly. They get overlook totally or are a late pick when they are 18. The opposite is true for some 18 year olds who star at junior level because they are physically developed already and arn't a moron. By the time they get to their early 20s players they were dominating at junior level have gone passed them.

This is why getting recruiting right is paramount. Another equalisation move by the AFL was to introduce the soft cap. Which means that clubs can only spend x amount on recruiting. Most clubs like ours have 3 full time staff in recruiting.
For us that is SOS, Brodie who was also at GWS and Agresta. Then there is about six or seven part timers. How the club runs its recruiting
depends on the recruiting staff with feedback from other staff although I suspect SOS has total control over this area due in part to his name and his mateship with the President. I know Geelong have a part time fellow who lives in Perth. He goes to as many Colts, Reserves and Senior games visiting all the clubs. He has his finger on the pulse. Same applies in Adelaide. My understanding is Carlton doesn't have this arrangement with its part time staff. That is the responsibility of SOS and I reckon he is wrong.
If you can find one player from the SANFL or WAFL or NEFL or VFL per year over a 5 year rebuild that's one quarter of your premiership team.
Harry Taylor, Lewis Jetta, Tim Kelly are example of blokes who matured later. Much easier to recruit them if you focus a bit more on that area with someone living close by rather than solely on GWS and other AFL rejects of which there have been many our recruiting team have picked and ultimately mostly have been delisted and moved on. And if interstate blokes who thrive at your club want to go back home you can get something for them as Geelong have done with draft picks from the Eagles. SOS and his team haven't done this. Gibbons was an after thought after Bugg another GWS reject pulled the pin before the season started.

Now have a look at the last 10 premiership teams.
The three numbers in order are
Players pick 50 or over rookie pre season mid season
top 20
pick 21-39
2019 Rich 9,9,4
2018 WC 10,6,6
2017 Rich 7,9,6
2016 WB 9,5,8
2015 Haw 6,11,5
2014 Haw 6,9,7
2013 Haw 5,10,7
2012 Syd 12,4,6
2011 Gee 2,8,12
2010 Coll 11,8,3

Having been at the club for 4 full drafts, SOS can only claim two pick from the first category. Gibbons and Williamson. I do have hopes for Cottrell and Owies.
Rather he has picked the mature aged players from other AFL clubs to give the kids a chop out. Most have been spuds.
Add Phillips to the list.
All this makes SOS 'not great"
In fact Moshe like awesome, great is a very over used word.

I have been asking that question for ages
Ok that’s good
And he reports I assume to Brodie who is the National Recruiting Manager
What about SA

I have been asking that question for ages
Ok that’s good
And he reports I assume to Brodie who is the National Recruiting Manager
What about SA

What about the stats
Or you are just going to ignore them
Basically out of the 220 premiership players category 1 and 2 are roughly the same number
And Sos has jagged 2 in 4 years one as an after thought from category one



Going to address the question
What evidence do you have to say he is great
Because if you don’t I won’t be posting 11 times