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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 2:39 pm 
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I ended up watching it. Still furious at the weak team selection.

Positives -

Paddy Dow was huge despite the early set shot miss. He, Crippa & Walshy will change the player culture with their drive.

Good to see a forward structure that shared the load. An oppositions nightmare. Special mention to Jack - he has arrived.

Welcome back Marchy. Hope the injuries are behind you.

Gibbons a good ready made replacement for Murphy... except for the high marks.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 3:18 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
keogh wrote:
Beaten by a better team
Effort was there by most
SOS has recruited too many blokes who don’t move the ball
quickly enough SOJ kink kernas poster boy being one of them
Tries hard good footy brain that’s about it

Setterfield a bust
Mc Govern 3 goals but doesn’t do enough
Not worth 3 players in the draft

Play Gibbons in the middle please

Our best player was Cunningham
He is a beautiful kick with pace
It doesn’t look like a grind when he has the ball

Too many slow average players

Like Stocker
If we can jag a good player with pick 13 ish in this years draft
Will be the only good thing to come out of 2018 draft


Setterfield a bust. You delusional fool. Sad, miserable man.

What do you like about him


Setterfield was another important player for us yesterday.
16 disposals, 9 contested went at 86%
7 score involvements, 1 goal assist
5 tackles, 2 I50 (4th most on the ground)

For a 21yo in his 7th (yes 7th!!) game his potential is quite incredible. #BoundbyBlue 

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 4:14 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I ended up watching it. Still furious at the weak team selection.

Positives -

Paddy Dow was huge despite the early set shot miss. He, Crippa & Walshy will change the player culture with their drive.

Good to see a forward structure that shared the load. An oppositions nightmare. Special mention to Jack - he has arrived.

Welcome back Marchy. Hope the injuries are behind you.

Gibbons a good ready made replacement for Murphy... except for the high marks.


Sosos very worthy of special mention.
He is such a smart player.
I thought both Plow and Gibbo went up a level . Just watching replay now after a fabulous italian lunch where I was treated like a Queen. :grin:

Also 1 quarter into the 1979 GF. The entire match for once.
It is amazing to watch. So different.
Lots of space
Good skills...lots of 15m penalties given
Lots of stuff you'd be reported for and umps go meh :grin: :lol:
Another thing is how stiff the players look running around compared to the modern player. Weird.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 4:25 pm 
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A few things I’m thinking:
1) For those bagging Setterfield, I am really pleased that he is getting some good game time. Most players take min 6 months after coming back from a knee reco to play near their best so not expecting much from him this year in terms of performance. Think he is doing wel getting on the park and playing a role.
2) My view on Cunningham is turning. I never bought he’d make it. But he appears quick and clean. Disposal could be better but he is getting in and out of contests pretty cleanly.
3) if Cunningham works out, that will turn out to be a pretty good hit rate for SOS from that draft year. And although O’Brien doesn’t look so inspired and at the moment looks like we may have given too much away for Stocker (ATM...) I’m happy with how he has transformed our list.
4) JSOS was really valuable yesterday. and gee he moves like his dad at times!


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The thing with Cuningham is that he is one of the only blokes on our list who can actually break a tackle, or at the minimum stand and dispose of it while being tackled.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 5:12 pm 
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Another difficult loss to swallow (the worst to date though given the opposition and the fact we were robbed by the umpires).
The positive is that the players will become tighter knit as a result of the loss.
Players and coach can hold their heads high.
The wins will come. We are improving. Promising group of young players.
We will beat the Pies in future Septembers when it REALLY matters.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 5:37 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I can say Setterfield is a bust after 6 games


You read a lot of dumb shit on forums. This is a chart topping example.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:06 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
A great effort in my view and as Parko said on the radio we have the most talented list of under 23 years in the comp

Really pleased with effort but does underscore how dreadful and unacceptable last week was and if we had that effort in hawthorn Gold Coast swans and north games should have won at least a couple more games

Cripps is a champ one of the best 3 players in comp no doubt

Setterfield just has to play another big body both inside and out a bit fumby yesterday but looks the goods to me

As I said a few weeks ago don't think Jack Silvagni is going to be a star but still will be a very competent footballer who can play various position -cops a lot of flack for a guy drafted 50 s in the draft

Cunningham really good forward craft and must play in our forward line

Backline given personnel down and given talent in Carringbush forward line was very good

Stocker and Williamson showed some real talent need a lot more games into them but looking good

Thought fisher was again very good

Yesterday was one of the times during the season that you could see that the multi-pronged forward line McGovern H and Charlie is in the future going to murder teams
Kreuz Daisy and Murph led well from the front yesterday
As for the umpires they were dreadful and Carlton should go to the AFL
24 to 8 in a close game is wrong we don't expect 50/50 but that differential is appalling and needs explaining

Didn't hang on in the last even the ball bounced against us in the last let alone the armchair ride that they got from the umps and the shocking non decisions Moore assassinated Charlie twice in the same incident in the third quarter and everyone at the ground thought it was not just one but two free kicks

Bring that effort every week and we should be winning games

Careful, Sin City will tag you as an online Troll unless you have Jack as second Brownlow favourite behind Cripps.

It's all good BS, I would never accuse you of being an online troll. They have evolved over the years and become capable of witty responses. Many of them also just troll in their spare time but have the football knowledge to realise the game is played differently to what it was in the 90s. These things are clearly beyond your capabilities.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:13 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Pleased with the effort but disappointed with the result. Sums up most of our season so far.

I don’t usually bother looking at the free kick stats, but at the ground we seemed to be getting a bad run with the umpires, so I decided to have a look....

24 to 8!!!!! In a close game? Plus the contentious non-decisions late in the match and I reckon it’s fair to put some scrutiny on the umpires.

Not saying Collingwood didn’t deserve to win, because it was a close game that could have gone either way, but Carlton is entitled to feel a little hard done by tonight.




Yes.

Umpire bias is beyond obvious in this game; 24 to 8, its now a weekly pattern.

I'm sick of the umpires.
We dont they have a review after the goals...all of them like they do in NRL.
That would kep the umpires honest or at least hold them to account.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:16 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
keogh wrote:
Beaten by a better team
Effort was there by most
SOS has recruited too many blokes who don’t move the ball
quickly enough SOJ kink kernas poster boy being one of them
Tries hard good footy brain that’s about it

Setterfield a bust
Mc Govern 3 goals but doesn’t do enough
Not worth 3 players in the draft

Play Gibbons in the middle please

Our best player was Cunningham
He is a beautiful kick with pace
It doesn’t look like a grind when he has the ball

Too many slow average players

Like Stocker
If we can jag a good player with pick 13 ish in this years draft
Will be the only good thing to come out of 2018 draft


Setterfield a bust. You delusional fool. Sad, miserable man.


I thought at half time best game I'd seen Setterfield play: I wasn't a huge fan of his 2019 output.

Cunungham was fantastic.


Jack was fantastic imo. Nullified plenty of their attacks.
Pity we needed him in the forwardline, he'd be snsational in the midfield.

The team played fantastic.
Umps killed us.

Throw $1M at Grundy!

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:18 pm 
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ferdinand wrote:
keogh wrote:
I can say Setterfield is a bust after 6 games


You read a lot of dumb shit on forums. This is a chart topping example.


To be fair to Keogh, he has been the club house leader for many, many years and his obviously resolve to not give up the mantel is super impressive. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:27 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
keogh wrote:
I can say Setterfield is a bust after 6 games


You read a lot of dumb shit on forums. This is a chart topping example.


To be fair to Keogh, he has been the club house leader for many, many years and his obviously resolve to not give up the mantel is super impressive. :thumbsup:

Regards Cazzesman

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Cazzesman wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
keogh wrote:
I can say Setterfield is a bust after 6 games


You read a lot of dumb shit on forums. This is a chart topping example.


To be fair to Keogh, he has been the club house leader for many, many years and his obviously resolve to not give up the mantel is super impressive. :thumbsup:

Regards Cazzesman


He's a cut-price Synbad. Nothing will beat bargeass. But this is a good effort.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:21 pm 
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choo wrote:
keogh wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
keogh wrote:
Beaten by a better team
Effort was there by most
SOS has recruited too many blokes who don’t move the ball
quickly enough SOJ kink kernas poster boy being one of them
Tries hard good footy brain that’s about it

Setterfield a bust
Mc Govern 3 goals but doesn’t do enough
Not worth 3 players in the draft

Play Gibbons in the middle please

Our best player was Cunningham
He is a beautiful kick with pace
It doesn’t look like a grind when he has the ball

Too many slow average players

Like Stocker
If we can jag a good player with pick 13 ish in this years draft
Will be the only good thing to come out of 2018 draft


Setterfield a bust. You delusional fool. Sad, miserable man.

What do you like about him


Setterfield was another important player for us yesterday.
16 disposals, 9 contested went at 86%
7 score involvements, 1 goal assist
5 tackles, 2 I50 (4th most on the ground)

For a 21yo in his 7th (yes 7th!!) game his potential is quite incredible. #BoundbyBlue 

That’s what I like. You?



Statistics don’t mean as much as real impact on the game
Having watched the game you would hope we would get the ball a bit give he was playing in
the middle. I can argue that those possessions arnt enough for a mid

My beef with SOS is he has recruited too many blokes
that move the ball too slowly
To move the ball quickly requires
Quick run
Penetrating kicks not NFL punter kicks
Clean hands and an ability to find the open man
Setterfield is another slow big bodied mid
His hands aren’t bad but he won’t win a Stawell gift

We gave up 2 picks for him

As I have said before watch his TAC cup match highlights
He was a much bigger kid than his contemporaries but those blokes are now just as big and strong
I don’t know if you posters watch any other games but quick ball movement
Is essential for success
Have too many slow blokes and eventually the levy breaks
as it did yesterday

How much more dangerous do we look when Cunningham has the ball
That’s because he runs faster kicks with penetration
and breaks tackles which also creates space and quick ball movement

Setterfield and Kennedy for that matter don’t keep their feet well in tackles

Mate we have been competitive for all but one game this year
But the one game we win SPS and Cripps played first halves they won’t play that
often
To win games more than you lose you need nearly every player
to have an “impact”
Quote all the stats you like having watched the game I thought his impact was minimal
In many cases stats are becoming ever increasing meaningless numbers


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:31 pm 
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No doubt that Carlton has recruited poorly on many occasions.

No doubt that all clubs do at times.



Within the last 15 years, would we be on top of the 'poor recruitment' ladder?





Very early call on Setterfield from keogh.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:40 pm 
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choo wrote:
keogh wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
keogh wrote:
Beaten by a better team
Effort was there by most
SOS has recruited too many blokes who don’t move the ball
quickly enough SOJ kink kernas poster boy being one of them
Tries hard good footy brain that’s about it

Setterfield a bust
Mc Govern 3 goals but doesn’t do enough
Not worth 3 players in the draft

Play Gibbons in the middle please

Our best player was Cunningham
He is a beautiful kick with pace
It doesn’t look like a grind when he has the ball

Too many slow average players

Like Stocker
If we can jag a good player with pick 13 ish in this years draft
Will be the only good thing to come out of 2018 draft


Setterfield a bust. You delusional fool. Sad, miserable man.

What do you like about him


Setterfield was another important player for us yesterday.
16 disposals, 9 contested went at 86%
7 score involvements, 1 goal assist
5 tackles, 2 I50 (4th most on the ground)

For a 21yo
in his 7th (yes 7th!!) game his potential is quite incredible. #BoundbyBlue 

That’s what I like. You?


Thanks for the stats.
he's a keeper
Like every Carlton player, circa 2019, he has to earn a spot in the First 22.

He impressed me for the first time since his TAC days.
I liked him then because he was Kouta like: Big and strong mid.
Then a boy called Cripps comes along and grows before our eyes in a blink.

I've imagine a midfield with at least 2 of the following:
Cripps Setterfield Jack and Charlie rotating forward.

Flanked by speed and endurance with the likes of:
Fisher Dow Walsh Coniglio Cuningham & Pickett.

I salivate. We aren't that far off.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:43 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
Just re: the umpiring. Some of the stats for the year are pretty damning. But instead of 'demanding' a please explain, why don't we flip it and ask for senior umpires to come in and watch game tape with us and ask for their 'advice' on why x was and x wasn't paid. That way we can learn about how better to bend the rules.

As an example, we have clearly not adjusted to the open handed handballs are now ok interpretation. I'm sure there are others we can pick up and train into our players.
The HS match summary today was spot on...
Re.: umpiring it said that Blues fans were right to be p/off with the lopsided frees... But it was the ones that weren't paid that were more important.

.. I'd be asking umps the same BUT I'd be asking about player safety.

Cripps's tunnelling himself to give Degoey the free was right in front of me. I thought Cripps was gone... Broken arm at best if he didn't dive into the ground... Dumbfounded

Then Plowman at the death... At the ground it was obviously an arm chop across the head... Saw the replay tonight, he was rotated and lands on his back and neck.. WTF was going on??
We were done by the umpiring long before the last ten minutes, but we were crucified in the last ten

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Add the non decision on Jones ' mark against GCS... It's been the non calls that have killed us

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:44 pm 
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It’s an early call
He his not what we need
We paid overs for him

Pick 43(Kreuger) and a future second rounder
He looks better than Kennedy
Pick 16 and 40 for him (eventually pick 28)

SOS picked him 13 as junior
SOS has tunnel vision no doubt

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