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Author: | Blue Vain [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
keogh wrote: Listen BV Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him What he does have is Great hands Skills great awareness etc If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit we would have helped him I portray Carlton a great club in every post, do I? Surely you can do better than that Keogh. If the club deserves a kicking, I've given it my fair share over the years. But yes, Let's see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow. |
Author: | TheBluesMuse [ Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure. Go Blues! |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
Blue Vain wrote: keogh wrote: Listen BV Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him What he does have is Great hands Skills great awareness etc If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit we would have helped him I portray Carlton a great club in every post, do I? Surely you can do better than that Keogh. If the club deserves a kicking, I've given it my fair share over the years. But yes, Let's see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow. Plowman amongst the coaches votes in the Carlton-GWS 44 point victory. Get Stack in the Draft ... or is from the the WAFL? Get Southcombe from Golden Square Get Oliver from Bendigo Get Duigan from the SAFL Could've got Setterfield and Stack instead of Cottrell or Gibbons. Easily. Should release Martin Bryant and put him in Carlton's care for repair. Everyone has there reasons. I'm sure Brodie and SOS had there's. Something good about no flower policies: consistency and group harmony for a start. Tick Tick Tick...BOOM!! Carlton in no position to be playing Russian Roulette circa 2019. Would like Stack on our list if we could guarantee no off field issues or any wanted attention to our Brand. Its not the end of the world as keogh knows it. Carlton will compliment its classy list now we have a great list with a few needs including x factor we were hoping Pickett could be in 2019. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
TheBluesMuse wrote: First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure. Go Blues! Good post BM Dow is only 19yo and already beating up opposition team, including Tigers with his clearances...19! Fisher has been consistently mentioned since 2018. I still think another Silvagni will headline that list too. Fingers crossed its Jack with a break out game this year. |
Author: | tommi [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
Correct me if i'm wrong.... but i'm pretty sure we can't have Stack on our list anymore Keogh...! kindest regards tommi |
Author: | jake_h03 [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:51 am ] |
Post subject: | List Management 2019 |
keogh wrote: Listen BV Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him What he does have is Great hands Skills great awareness etc If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit we would have helped him Much rather him than Setterfield What it does highlight is the importance of thorough recruiting right across all competitions including the WAFL If I was on an interview panel for the head of recruitment at an AFL club the first question I would ask is do you know how to get to every next level down club below the AFL in Australia And it’s a growing trend More players are coming into the AFL through the VFL, SANFL and the WAFL Let us not get left behind in growing trends of the game like we have in the last 20 years You just don’t recruit from GWS Don’t worry Brodie He is the National Recruiting Manager His all over it For what it’s worth I think Gibbons can play a bit But Bolton is playing him in the wrong spot His not a small forward He is Pure on baller Play him there and let’s see how good he is Anyway see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow Stack had played one game and you’d much prefer him than Setterfield? Keeping in mind that 18 clubs overlooked Stack in the draft and 18 clubs rated Setterfield in the top 5 of the draft, with many rating him at pick 1? The same Setterfield who has played 4 games since a knee reco. I’m very confident our guy will have the better career Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
tommi wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong.... but i'm pretty sure we can't have Stack on our list anymore Keogh...! kindest regards tommi We already have a Stack of great players on our list from the last 4 drafts. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
jake_h03 wrote: keogh wrote: Listen BV Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him What he does have is Great hands Skills great awareness etc If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit we would have helped him Much rather him than Setterfield What it does highlight is the importance of thorough recruiting right across all competitions including the WAFL If I was on an interview panel for the head of recruitment at an AFL club the first question I would ask is do you know how to get to every next level down club below the AFL in Australia And it’s a growing trend More players are coming into the AFL through the VFL, SANFL and the WAFL Let us not get left behind in growing trends of the game like we have in the last 20 years You just don’t recruit from GWS Don’t worry Brodie He is the National Recruiting Manager His all over it For what it’s worth I think Gibbons can play a bit But Bolton is playing him in the wrong spot His not a small forward He is Pure on baller Play him there and let’s see how good he is Anyway see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow Stack had played one game and you’d much prefer him than Setterfield? Keeping in mind that 18 clubs overlooked Stack in the draft and 18 clubs rated Setterfield in the top 5 of the draft, with many rating him at pick 1? The same Setterfield who has played 4 games since a knee reco. I’m very confident our guy will have the better career Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I like logical posts. Thanks jake |
Author: | Stefchook [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
TheBluesMuse wrote: First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure. Go Blues! |
Author: | keogh [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally kicked a winning score A few things Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer which he is and you will eventually get found out just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going to translate at AFL level Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues at Bolton’s house is all that was needed SOS has recruited some terrific young talent He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs He has delisted around a dozen of them already He should have punted on youth or late developers in the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in the 2019 draft To say the list is great is utter bullshit Remember 2012 People including the board thought the list was great then looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames Ratten and sacks him Those 3 are still there Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake in replacing Ratten with Mick That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth. |
Author: | The Duke [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
keogh wrote: I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally kicked a winning score A few things Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer which he is and you will eventually get found out just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going to translate at AFL level Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues at Bolton’s house is all that was needed SOS has recruited some terrific young talent He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs He has delisted around a dozen of them already He should have punted on youth or late developers in the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in the 2019 draft To say the list is great is utter bullshit Remember 2012 People including the board thought the list was great then looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames Ratten and sacks him Those 3 are still there Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake in replacing Ratten with Mick That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth. I agree with some of that - the points on recruiting duds from other clubs - I thought we would be better to hang on to many of them - like Bucks, Holman, Gowers...even a bloke like Everitt had more value than the spuds we brought in to replace him. But SOS has performed wonders with turning average players into picks then packaging picks for premium players. Hats off for that. Ratten and Mick made some big mistakes, but even those mistakes shouldn't have us where we are now. Let's hope the playing group can continue on from last week. |
Author: | Steve_C7 [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
keogh wrote: I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally kicked a winning score A few things Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer which he is and you will eventually get found out just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going to translate at AFL level Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues at Bolton’s house is all that was needed SOS has recruited some terrific young talent He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs He has delisted around a dozen of them already He should have punted on youth or late developers in the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in the 2019 draft To say the list is great is utter bullshit Remember 2012 People including the board thought the list was great then looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames Ratten and sacks him Those 3 are still there Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake in replacing Ratten with Mick That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth. Sure Stack is looking like a steal, but remember that Richmond used it's very last pick to select him and is still way too early to make a call on whether his off field issues wont resurface. It's a luxury that the Tigers with a very mature list had that we as a rebuilding list don't. We have had cultural issues that have been addressed by the club (SOS) in moving anyone that doesn't have a professional attitude out of the club and with so many young kids we don't have the mature players to take a kid like stack under their wing to help him meet the responsibilities of the modern player. |
Author: | ferdinand [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. |
Author: | dannyboy [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.
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Author: | keogh [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. Yeah I’m a bit grumpier in my latter eyes but hey I don’t have the roses coloured glasses on and go into full bodied orgasms after one win |
Author: | AGRO [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch. |
Author: | Donstuie [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
Don't we have a List Manager and Head Recruiter now who both AREN'T SOS? |
Author: | Blue Boys [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
AGRO wrote: ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch. Do you know what the probability of a rookie pick succeeding at a clubs is? Very slim. Is sos performing much worse than his peers? “60% of rookies never play a senior game and less than 10% of rookie picks make it to 100 games. Finding gems in the rough is a quantity game – it also involves digging up a lot of worthless rocks.” http://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=6369 |
Author: | keogh [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
keogh wrote: ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. Yeah I’m a bit grumpier in my latter eyes but hey I don’t have the roses coloured glasses on and go into full bodied orgasms after one win |
Author: | keogh [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2019 |
Blue Boys wrote: AGRO wrote: ferdinand wrote: You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about. SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch. Do you know what the probability of a rookie pick succeeding at a clubs is? Very slim. Is sos performing much worse than his peers? “60% of rookies never play a senior game and less than 10% of rookie picks make it to 100 games. Finding gems in the rough is a quantity game – it also involves digging up a lot of worthless rocks.” http://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=6369 And Shaw Mullet O’Shea etc chances of succeeding was zero |
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