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Author:  99prelim [ Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Ross and Stack look 2 good players to me that
Bring the intangibles needed to be a good AFL footballer

SOs missed these blokes when he could have used those picks to get these blokes
Or other good kids
Instead he used them on McGovern Setterfield his son Newman and O’Dwyerc

I understand because of the rules and the shocking state of the list when
he arrived he couldn’t just pick kids given the number of spuds on the list at that time but he has gone for too many blokes from
other AFL clubs who are average
They clutter the list up
When the team goes bad the head coach cops it in the head
The recruiting is the problem IMO

SOS simply isn’t as good at recognizing talent
compared to other recruiters

SOS and Brodie seem obsessed in getting blokes
From GWS
His 2 sons are at the club
Even O’Dwyer is from the private school the Silvangis went to

They don’t seem to look too far from their home when looking for talent
What’s their strategy for overseeing the
WAFL
SANFL
Top End
Tassie
The Geelong League
Brodie is the National Recruiting Manager
How does he cover these competitions

It seems to me that they don’t have it together

I was appalled at what they did in last years draft
Because of what he has done Bolton hasn’t a lot to work with


I'm sick of all the Carlton bashers.
I'm sick of their sickness: bias and anti Carlton.
Lloyd, Robbo, Whately, Caro...now you...

IMO, you are seriously sick keogh
You are obsessed with SOS.
You haven't got a balanced argument. Its all full on attack attack attack SOS, The Board...generally everything Carlton is doing. I don't see anything pro Carlton from you, when there's plenty to acknowledge...even SOS.

Get your facts right.
SOS stayed out of the selection of his sons.
Brodie wasn't around when Jack was selected.
That is purely awful what you say.

I don't know any Carlton supporter who wouldn't want Carlton to make space for the Silvagni name on our list. Are you really disappointed Jack and Ben are on our lists for picks 53 and 70 odd? or Did you expect Carlton to select them?

Talk about looking in the rear view mirror.
Get a grip with today. What we have, not what we haven't.

All clubs, not just Carlton, don't have Stack Back and Crack on their list.
It is normal not to have every player some supporters want on their list.
It is normal for that to happen.

There's a million reasons why some players are overlooked.
No recruitment team knows every player. None.

What makes you think you're a better recruiter and judge than SOS?
That's egotistical and out of order...all the above statements you make.
They're unfounded accusations.

Late picks are a punt.
Finbar may surprise.
I didnt want the likes of Brendan Goddard bringing his own issues to the club.
Ditto Smack. There's lots of those types.

You have a go at SOS because he didn't do what you wanted.
Grab your toys and just go. This obsession is seriously sick.
Try an avoid not thinking of SOS. It will do you wonders.

SOS and his family will be part of the fabric of this club longer than you will.
They are all welcome and expected.

I didn't realise till now you are obviously a SOS basher.
A bit pf balance please. He has made selections we all like, even you.

Watch HIS list do wonderful things.


:clap: :clap:
Author:  dannyboy [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Our list, my eyes

Walsh (tick - easy as)
Weitering (tick)
C Curnow (tick)
McKay (tick)
Plowman (tick - I know this site hates him I think he'll play way more than a 100 for us))
Marchbank (tick)
Fisher (tick)
Setterfield (tick for me, 4 games he has played for us, and what, 9 overall – has shown plenty)
SPS (half a tick, I worry about him but if it gels look out)
DOW (tick - I know everyone is screaming now but the kid is a ripper)
Cunningham (half a tick)
both Silvagnis ( famous names of this club - always worth it...especially for later picks)
De Koning (tick)
Pickett (half a tick)
Lochie O'Brien (tick so far from me and yes I have a few doubts)
Matthew Kennedy (tick)
Liam Stoker (very early but I like what i have heard about him re footy smarts
Schumacher (nothing yet but liked him as a choice in the draft)
Newman (tick)

the rest too early or not certain of

add that list to Cripps, Kruise, Murph, Docherty, Williamson, McReadie, Jones, Phillips - its a good list - potentially a great list.

Its now about experience, desire (from the players themselves) and Coaching (in all its aspects) - so time. I think by the end of this year we'll have a sense of whether its buildings or just holding - but
look at Brisbane last night - and Collingwood before last year...there are no swift turnarounds...just hard work and time.

I fully expect 2 more years before finals - just games into legs and heads.
Author:  bondiblue [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
keogh wrote:
I’m entitled to an opinion
Don’t read my posts if it pisses you off so much

I watch heaps of footy
Where miles off it

Just read what you want to read


More bullshit keogh.

They are not opinions you are peddling, they are blatant lies.

They are offensive lies an innocent reader may take as fact.
I'm going to pull up anyone who peddles lies and rumours in about my team, to protect my team and to protect the innocent who dont know any better, or bitter.

Its offensive to the Silvagni family.
Its offensive to people ho want the truth.
I find it offensive and I want to pull you up on your state of posting/ mind.

Why don't you just admit you made up your story about Silvagni?
Why don't you admit you are wrong about Silvagni's role in the selection of Jack and Ben?

Why don't you tell us if you think giving a spot to a father son Silvagni at picks 53 and 70 is wrong?

I've known you as a poster for a decade, and have noticed your deterioration as a poster from disappointment in our predicament with the penalties, to Judd being our saviour, expecting the tables to turn, to attacking the Board level for a lack of transparency to where you have stooped as an anti Carlton, anti Silvagni poster.

I prefer the old keogh the teacher than the one whose found a job in the private sector over in WA. WTF has happened to you? You've become a sour old man.

What about a bit of balance. Is there anything right that's happened in the last 3-4 years at Carlton?

Is this rebuild completely wrong and [REDACTED] up? Why?

Mate, we are heading in the right direction.
The kids have belief.

When you have belief, a damn good list, albeit young, knowing a few more additions to come to bolster the list in the shape of FA and Trades, its going to happen.

FYI and every other anti Carlton so called Carltonian, Carlton have been on the nose for 2 decades and have not been a destination club for a long long time.

The respect will come when these kids take the reins and turn this ship, and if you look it is turning in the right direction. We've been in the last 4 games up to our neck and possibly choked.

Bluebaggers !!!!!!
Author:  bondiblue [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
dannyboy wrote:
Our list, my eyes

Walsh (tick - easy as)
Weitering (tick)
C Curnow (tick)
McKay (tick)
Plowman (tick - I know this site hates him I think he'll play way more than a 100 for us))
Marchbank (tick)
Fisher (tick)
Setterfield (tick for me, 4 games he has played for us, and what, 9 overall – has shown plenty)
SPS (half a tick, I worry about him but if it gels look out)
DOW (tick - I know everyone is screaming now but the kid is a ripper)
Cunningham (half a tick)
both Silvagnis ( famous names of this club - always worth it...especially for later picks)
De Koning (tick)
Pickett (half a tick)
Lochie O'Brien (tick so far from me and yes I have a few doubts)
Matthew Kennedy (tick)
Liam Stoker (very early but I like what i have heard about him re footy smarts
Schumacher (nothing yet but liked him as a choice in the draft)
Newman (tick)

the rest too early or not certain of

add that list to Cripps, Kruise, Murph, Docherty, Williamson, McReadie, Jones, Phillips - its a good list - potentially a great list.

Its now about experience, desire (from the players themselves) and Coaching (in all its aspects) - so time. I think by the end of this year we'll have a sense of whether its buildings or just holding - but
look at Brisbane last night - and Collingwood before last year...there are no swift turnarounds...just hard work and time.

I fully expect 2 more years before finals - just games into legs and heads.


I enjoyed reading your analysis, and agree with your prediction of finals.

During the preseason, SPS, Jack, Newman, Weiters, Jones and Stocker really caught my eye in some of the praccy games I saw them play at training. They stood out, as did the usual suspects in Cripps and Charlie.

Since the season started SPS has shown with the ball in his nads time stands still, and impartial callers of the game have sat back and admired his poise.

The point is, it really is potentially a great list, and we will see results during the year, or there's more pain before the gain in our commitment to rebuild a whole list.

There's also missing parts that will be bolted on over the 2019, 2020 and 2021 Trade periods:

Small forward (may even be Pickett)
New Ruckman (to take the ruck mantle with DeKoning)
Midfielder (a mature and experienced player like a Cognilio)
Half Back (an attacking line breaking HB may even be Willo and Stocker)

Its going to happen coz we have nearly all the pieces in place. Just needs time.

Enjoy your Easter.
Author:  BennyP30 [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  List Management 2019
dannyboy wrote:
Our list, my eyes

Walsh (tick - easy as)
Weitering (tick)
C Curnow (tick)
McKay (tick)
Plowman (tick - I know this site hates him I think he'll play way more than a 100 for us))
Marchbank (tick)
Fisher (tick)
Setterfield (tick for me, 4 games he has played for us, and what, 9 overall – has shown plenty)
SPS (half a tick, I worry about him but if it gels look out)
DOW (tick - I know everyone is screaming now but the kid is a ripper)
Cunningham (half a tick)
both Silvagnis ( famous names of this club - always worth it...especially for later picks)
De Koning (tick)
Pickett (half a tick)
Lochie O'Brien (tick so far from me and yes I have a few doubts)
Matthew Kennedy (tick)
Liam Stoker (very early but I like what i have heard about him re footy smarts
Schumacher (nothing yet but liked him as a choice in the draft)
Newman (tick)

the rest too early or not certain of

add that list to Cripps, Kruise, Murph, Docherty, Williamson, McReadie, Jones, Phillips - its a good list - potentially a great list.

Its now about experience, desire (from the players themselves) and Coaching (in all its aspects) - so time. I think by the end of this year we'll have a sense of whether its buildings or just holding - but
look at Brisbane last night - and Collingwood before last year...there are no swift turnarounds...just hard work and time.

I fully expect 2 more years before finals - just games into legs and heads.


Fantastic post mate. Really good analysis and predictions


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Author:  Sydney Blue [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
dannyboy wrote:
Our list, my eyes

Walsh (tick - easy as)
Weitering (tick)
C Curnow (tick)
McKay (tick)
Plowman (tick - I know this site hates him I think he'll play way more than a 100 for us))
Marchbank (tick)
Fisher (tick)
Setterfield (tick for me, 4 games he has played for us, and what, 9 overall – has shown plenty)
SPS (half a tick, I worry about him but if it gels look out)
DOW (tick - I know everyone is screaming now but the kid is a ripper)
Cunningham (half a tick)
both Silvagnis ( famous names of this club - always worth it...especially for later picks)
De Koning (tick)
Pickett (half a tick)
Lochie O'Brien (tick so far from me and yes I have a few doubts)
Matthew Kennedy (tick)
Liam Stoker (very early but I like what i have heard about him re footy smarts
Schumacher (nothing yet but liked him as a choice in the draft)
Newman (tick)

the rest too early or not certain of

add that list to Cripps, Kruise, Murph, Docherty, Williamson, McReadie, Jones, Phillips - its a good list - potentially a great list.

Its now about experience, desire (from the players themselves) and Coaching (in all its aspects) - so time. I think by the end of this year we'll have a sense of whether its buildings or just holding - but
look at Brisbane last night - and Collingwood before last year...there are no swift turnarounds...just hard work and time.

I fully expect 2 more years before finals - just games into legs and heads.
More ticks there than the back of a cow house in mid summer.
But in honesty I have to agree.
They have all great potential but for whatever reason they are not exactly playing to their strengths.
You look at the list and think how do I fit so much talent in the 22.
Put them on the park together and it is queue the keystone cop music.

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Author:  Dominator_7 [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
What does that tell you about the way they re being coachedthen
Author:  GWS [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
bondiblue wrote:
Since the season started SPS has shown with the ball in his nads time stands still...


That’s gotta hurt! :lol:
Author:  toddkurnski [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  List Management 2019
Dominator_7 wrote:
What does that tell you about the way they re being coachedthen


To me it’s been saying we have been excellent defensively but the forward line is not functioning and the players don’t know where to kick to when going inside f50.

That could be
Forwards not leading to the right spots
Players not kicking to the right spots
Both

Watched the Pies last night do this better than any I have seen this year. Constantly hitting up targets moving into space in the F50.

That’s the standard we need to get to.

It was @#$%&! impressive (and a little scary how good they were). But I did see them play awful football against the Dogs the week prior so maybe the Lions are very poor at pressing the ball carrier and the Pies were under no duress when entering.
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Mids and Forwards coaches under pressure if no improvement.
Teaguey came with a big reputation after working with the Crows, but our forward line has been kak since he's been here.
Author:  CK95 [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Good summary danny. I would've given Cunningham a tick & LOB a half
Author:  dannyboy [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
yes Cunningham was close but in the end I felt he hadn't shown enough. O'Brien I like more than some on here and he is only in his second year. But thats the thing isn;t. we can all agree disagree about certain players, but the list as a whole is in good shape, more still to build on, but mostly, I think, we need game experience - on and better selections. I hated last weeks team and thought we'd get done by a lot more.
Author:  Sidefx [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
toddkurnski wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
What does that tell you about the way they re being coachedthen


To me it’s been saying we have been excellent defensively but the forward line is not functioning and the players don’t know where to kick to when going inside f50.

That could be
Forwards not leading to the right spots
Players not kicking to the right spots
Both

Watched the Pies last night do this better than any I have seen this year. Constantly hitting up targets moving into space in the F50.

That’s the standard we need to get to.

It was @#$%&! impressive (and a little scary how good they were). But I did see them play awful football against the Dogs the week prior so maybe the Lions are very poor at pressing the ball carrier and the Pies were under no duress when entering.


Adding to this.

The Pies also used the boundary, chip kicked around until they had an option.
And the Lions used both the boundary and the corridor and got punished with poor skill execution (mainly from Pies pressure).

God forbid if Bolton plays our team like the Pies, according to the experts on here.

Just maybe it's a combination of youth, less experience and players needing to find their own confidence for us to start taking control of the games. Personally I agree with you Todd, the defence already are building these attributes and now the kids in the middle and forward need to start doing the same. Unfortunately it's a week by week thing for developing players, but if we could bring in another mature experienced midfielder in the midseason draft that would help also.
Author:  keogh [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Hey anyone
Can someone enlighten me how 17 clubs could
miss Sydney Stack last year in the National Draft

Played in a suburb called Lathlian last year

What about Ross for the Tigers
Could of had him pumping the ball
into McKay and Charlie instead of the Gov

I guarantee you there will be others picks after 30 and beyond
who will strut their stuff on the big dance before the years out
Author:  Heavs [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Probably pays better than being a high school teacher in norlane as well. Probably should put your hand up champignon.
Author:  bender [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
keogh wrote:
Hey anyone
Can someone enlighten me how 17 clubs could
miss Sydney Stack last year in the National Draft

Played in a suburb called Lathlian last year

What about Ross for the Tigers
Could of had him pumping the ball
into McKay and Charlie instead of the Gov

I guarantee you there will be others picks after 30 and beyond
who will strut their stuff on the big dance before the years out


we get your agenda keogh, but remind us what team you work for as a list manager?
Author:  keogh [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Yep I have an agenda

To be fair can u give me an answer

The kid is a gun
Ross ain’t bad either

McGovern needs to play more than 10 minutes
and do the basic fundamentals to warrant what we gave up for him
Author:  Blue Vain [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
keogh wrote:
Hey anyone
Can someone enlighten me how 17 clubs could
miss Sydney Stack last year in the National Draft


Stack had heaps of off field issues. No one doubted his talent.
If we picked him up and it turned to shit what would your response have been?
Don't bother answering, we already know the answer.

He was a risky pick for club that wanted to take a risk with a loose cannon. We weren't in that position.
Author:  bender [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
keogh wrote:
Yep I have an agenda

To be fair can u give me an answer

The kid is a gun
Ross ain’t bad either

McGovern needs to play more than 10 minutes
and do the basic fundamentals to warrant what we gave up for him


what answer can we give you that you wont then turn and blame silvagni on?

i am just sick of you clogging up the pages with your clearly irrationally biased posts

did he run over your dog when you were a kid?

no recruiter, aside from you, gets it right 100% of the time and he sure as shit has done a lot better than the last one we had. even wells at geelong didnt pick stack, and he is the best recruiter, aside from yourself again, in the league, so cut silvagni a bit of slack

as an aside are you any relation to synbad?
Author:  keogh [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: List Management 2019
Listen BV

Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him
What he does have is
Great hands
Skills great awareness etc

If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit
we would have helped him
Much rather him than Setterfield

What it does highlight is the importance of thorough recruiting
right across all competitions
including the WAFL
If I was on an interview panel for the head of recruitment at
an AFL club the first question I would ask is do you know
how to get to every next level down club below
the AFL in Australia

And it’s a growing trend
More players are coming into the AFL through
the VFL, SANFL and the WAFL

Let us not get left behind in growing trends of the game
like we have in the last 20 years

You just don’t recruit from GWS
Don’t worry Brodie
He is the National Recruiting Manager
His all over it

For what it’s worth I think Gibbons can play a bit
But Bolton is playing him in the wrong spot
His not a small forward

He is Pure on baller
Play him there and let’s see how good he is

Anyway see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow
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