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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:47 pm 
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All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons

I may have missed a couple but of those players 14 have already been delisted, retired or left
Of those that get a pass mark
Wright
That's it
The dury is still out on those who are left IMO and only the sugar coaters could say something positive about Gartlett, Lobbe

The rest
Well they ain't proven themselves yet on the field for whatever reason

Now I know some of you will say that SOS couldn't have recruited just kids and have an under 21 list getting smashed by bigger bodies every week but given the last 38 matches tell me would it have made any difference to the results.


The list he inherited was so bad in 2015 that IMO the list management strategy should have been totally youth based as evident from the above info and has been flawed by going down the path of getting to many vanilla footballers from other clubs

And yes injuries haven't helped but all clubs get injuries. Collingwood had heaps last year and nearly won a flag

The other thing about the list is the number of players that were high draft picks when they were originally drafted, a few that SOS drafted
when he was GWS head of recruiting
Kennedy
Pickett
Marchbank
Plowman
Which brings me to another point about good and poor recruiting

If you look at Setterfield's junior footy he dominated TAC cup partly because he was a bigger kid
Even if hadn't done his ACL he wouldn't be the 4th best player at 20 ,21 age playing AFL because guys have passed him already
with 3 years of weights and running and maturity. Good recruiters look at the intangibles. I know its early days with Setterfield and he is
a reasonable player but not worth what we gave up for him and he isn't what we need
Another slow mid

As for the recruiting staff clearly Agresta and Bleach have the runs on the board being from Sydney and Hawthorn respectively
We don't know how much of a say on things they have. Agresta is head of List Management. I wonder what he thinks of the last 3 years.
I know little about Jordan, Harris or Potter the other recruiting officers.

I do know that Paul Brodie who is our National Recruiting Manager is from GWS so we can assume SOS was responsible in getting him.

Brodie was suspended by the AFL for betting on games, but hey everyone deserves a second chance just like the players listed above.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:24 pm 
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keogh wrote:
All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons

I may have missed a couple but of those players 14 have already been delisted, retired or left
Of those that get a pass mark
Wright
That's it
The dury is still out on those who are left IMO and only the sugar coaters could say something positive about Gartlett, Lobbe

The rest
Well they ain't proven themselves yet on the field for whatever reason

Now I know some of you will say that SOS couldn't have recruited just kids and have an under 21 list getting smashed by bigger bodies every week but given the last 38 matches tell me would it have made any difference to the results.


The list he inherited was so bad in 2015 that IMO the list management strategy should have been totally youth based as evident from the above info and has been flawed by going down the path of getting to many vanilla footballers from other clubs

And yes injuries haven't helped but all clubs get injuries. Collingwood had heaps last year and nearly won a flag

The other thing about the list is the number of players that were high draft picks when they were originally drafted, a few that SOS drafted
when he was GWS head of recruiting
Kennedy
Pickett
Marchbank
Plowman
Which brings me to another point about good and poor recruiting

If you look at Setterfield's junior footy he dominated TAC cup partly because he was a bigger kid
Even if hadn't done his ACL he wouldn't be the 4th best player at 20 ,21 age playing AFL because guys have passed him already
with 3 years of weights and running and maturity. Good recruiters look at the intangibles. I know its early days with Setterfield and he is
a reasonable player but not worth what we gave up for him and he isn't what we need
Another slow mid

As for the recruiting staff clearly Agresta and Bleach have the runs on the board being from Sydney and Hawthorn respectively
We don't know how much of a say on things they have. Agresta is head of List Management. I wonder what he thinks of the last 3 years.
I know little about Jordan, Harris or Potter the other recruiting officers.

I do know that Paul Brodie who is our National Recruiting Manager is from GWS so we can assume SOS was responsible in getting him.

Brodie was suspended by the AFL for betting on games, but hey everyone deserves a second chance just like the players listed above.


The part of SOS being obsessed with former first rounders who haven’t come on or are cheap is a disturbing trend.

Maybe we have so many injury problems as half his recruits are rolling the dice on injury prone former high picks hoping they come good?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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AFL 2019: Carlton’s No.1 draft pick Sam Walsh closing in on contract extension after stellar start to career
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Carlton’s 2018 No.1 draft pick Sam Walsh is set to sign a new deal. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)
Carlton’s 2018 No.1 draft pick Sam Walsh is set to sign a new deal. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)Source: Getty Images
Carlton young gun Sam Walsh is closing in on a contract extension that will tie him to the club until the end of 2022.

Winston Rous of Phoenix Management Group commenced discussions with the Blues before Round 1 and they are progressing well, according to sources familiar with negotiations.

Walsh is the second player in VFL/AFL history to notch 24 or more disposals in each of his first four senior games and the first since Mark Bairstow achieved the feat in 1987.

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His 28 possession, six tackle effort in a losing cause against Gold Coast appears likely to earn him a Rising Star nomination.

Insiders see Walsh as the ultimate professional and his early output has only served to reiterate this perspective. His impending signature will ward off competitors and allow the Blues to generate a positive story in what has been a trying campaign.
Blues' state of play

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For high draft picks, contract negotiations between club and agents can be notoriously difficult for first year players as they have not played many games and often have a contract offer on the table from draft night, with clubs eager to lock in young talent early.

Carlton has been keen to secure Walsh for some time and the midfielder is wanting to stay, but only when terms can be agreed upon that suit both parties.

Exactly what his value is likely to be when his new contract rolls over at the end of next season is the most difficult component of discussions.

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As per the current collective bargaining agreement, all draftees receive two-year deals on a base salary determined by their pick number, plus match payments. This can mean players such as 2018 Rising Star winner Jaidyn Stephenson or Geelong’s Tim Kelly can be restricted in earning their true value in their first two seasons.

Both Stephenson and Kelly produced 2018 campaigns worthy of at least $500,000, but were paid half of that sum and will be again this season. Only in 2020 will the balance be reconfigured. The same could apply to Walsh.

But by the time their contracts get renewed for a third season and beyond, the first-round picks – or at least those who have proven to be valuable players – are often rewarded with guaranteed deals that are now a minimum of $350,000 per season.

Between 15 and 20 players per club are on guaranteed arrangements, potentially with various incentives, and there is little doubt by the time Walsh enters his third year he will be in the top bracket of Blues.
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Walsh has been a shining light across a bleak first four rounds for Carlton. Not only is the club winless, but three of its main competitors to avoid a second straight wooden spoon have won three of four matches.

On Sunday the Blues were almost a year older on average than Gold Coast, while the home team was far less experienced in terms of games played across the board. The Suns triumphed by two points, leaving CEO Cain Liddle to defend coach Brendon Bolton’s position.

Football boss Stephen Silvagni is believed to have worked exceptionally hard from a list management perspective to re-sign key players on long-term deals.

Charlie Curnow (2023) and Paddy Dow (2022) are both locked away, while Patrick Cripps and Jacob Weitering (2021) have also committed long-term.

Jack Silvagni is out of contract at season’s end, as is former number one pick Matthew Kreuzer.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:55 pm 
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keogh wrote:
All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons.


We drafted 22 players directly from the under 18s during that period; it’s not like we traded out of any of the drafts.

But let’s say we only went for nothing but TAC graduates in our rebuild - where do we get the number of draft picks needed? To replace the number of guys we delisted since 2015, we would’ve had to have taken about 6 kids each year in the pick #80-100 range. Imagine about a third of our list in 2019 being Finbar O’Dwyer, Caleb Tiller, Anthony Raso types. Remember each of those kids gets an automatic 2 years, unlike DFA or contracted players who you can recruit on 1 year deals (giving you more flexibility with list management).

Many of the names on your above list were DFAs, steak knives in other trades, or fire sale package deals. With the exception of Shaw, Mullett and O’Shea, I would say the rest of them were worth a punt as stopgaps while we built our list.

And of the ‘targeted’ players, McGovern is the only one I’d say we paid overs for. The rest were good value trades, IMO.

Oh - and Sheehan was recruited before SOS arrived and McDaid, Korcheck & Owies were/are categorised rookies (so we could not have used those rookie spots on TAC players).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Tom Morris "On The Couch" reporting some tension between Bolton and SOS re Stocker.

SOS says play him...Bolton says he's not ready.

What influence should SOS be having on selection? Who will the President back?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Effes wrote:
Tom Morris "On The Couch" reporting some tension between Bolton and SOS re Stocker.

SOS says play him...Bolton says he's not ready.

What influence should SOS be having on selection? Who will the President back?

Interesting.
Personally would like him to have a bit more influence at VFL level before promoting him to the seniors. From what I've read he uses the ball well but a lack of fitness is holding him back at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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keogh wrote:
All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons

I may have missed a couple but of those players 14 have already been delisted, retired or left
Of those that get a pass mark
Wright
That's it
The dury is still out on those who are left IMO and only the sugar coaters could say something positive about Gartlett, Lobbe


Anyone who doesn't believe Plowman gets a pass mark is either letting their biases override their logic or they don't understand his role.
He would be one of the first picked every week and he has been exceptional value for us.

Yes the list still requires work but its reasonably balanced. As a few of us have been saying for couple of years, small forwards are our deficiency and that is killing us at the moment. For whatever reason, SOS hasn't appreciated the importance of the role or he doesn't have the capacity to select them.
We refuse to understand that it is a specialist role with specialist skills. No doubt we hoped to go into the season with Pickett and the ability of Cunners to adapt provided us with another option.

Not having those players is killing our forward structure. I know some posters call for Silvagni or Garlett but they dont have the skillset. Their strength are primarily marking targets which we have an abundance of.
IMO, we're desperate for Cuningham to return and we need another player with natural forward craft to fill another small forward spot. The only others possible are Pickett, Murphy or Thomas. They aren't natural forwards but Murphy and Thomas have forward smarts and Pickett has the pace and power to be a presence. Hopefully we can select someone in the mid season draft who can assist because Bolts is fighting with one arm behind his back with the forward structure at his disposal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons

I may have missed a couple but of those players 14 have already been delisted, retired or left
Of those that get a pass mark
Wright
That's it
The dury is still out on those who are left IMO and only the sugar coaters could say something positive about Gartlett, Lobbe


Anyone who doesn't believe Plowman gets a pass mark is either letting their biases override their logic or they don't understand his role.
He would be one of the first picked every week and he has been exceptional value for us.

Yes the list still requires work but its reasonably balanced. As a few of us have been saying for couple of years, small forwards are our deficiency and that is killing us at the moment. For whatever reason, SOS hasn't appreciated the importance of the role or he doesn't have the capacity to select them.
We refuse to understand that it is a specialist role with specialist skills. No doubt we hoped to go into the season with Pickett and the ability of Cunners to adapt provided us with another option.

Not having those players is killing our forward structure. I know some posters call for Silvagni or Garlett but they dont have the skillset. Their strength are primarily marking targets which we have an abundance of.
IMO, we're desperate for Cuningham to return and we need another player with natural forward craft to fill another small forward spot. The only others possible are Pickett, Murphy or Thomas. They aren't natural forwards but Murphy and Thomas have forward smarts and Pickett has the pace and power to be a presence. Hopefully we can select someone in the mid season draft who can assist because Bolts is fighting with one arm behind his back with the forward structure at his disposal.



What’s good about Plowman
His ok when it’s a one on one contest when the ball
Is in the air
Not good when the ball is on ground
Lacks mobility
Provides no run out of defence
Shit kick
You need more from your defenders these
days if you want to be a top 4 team
He also lacks size to play on bigger players

SOS pick him at 3 when he was drafted at GWS
In 6 years his body shape hasn’t changed
Too slow
Another vanilla footballer
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Yeah, nah. Rarely beaten, courageous, selfless, plays on smalls or talls. The ability to play man on man is more important than ever.
He's one of the better mid size defenders going around.
Yes he's vanilla but I'd take him every time against a more flamboyant player who cant regularly beat his opponent.
He plays the role that allows the other 5 defenders to play to their strengths and provide the things you're looking for.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
keogh wrote:
All these players have been recruited from other clubs other than from TAC junior level under SOS's watch since he came to the club
Matthew Wright
Sam Kerridge
Jed Lamb
Andrew Phillips
Lachie Plowman
Liam Sumner
Andrew Gallucci
Matthew Korcheck
Alex Fasolo
Will Setterfield
Hugh Goddard
Matthew Owens
Billie Smedts
Caleb Marchbank
Jarrod Pickett
Rhys Palmer
Kym LeBois
Alex Silvangi
Matt Shaw
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
James Bugg
Ciaron Sheehan
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Darcy Lang
Aaron Mullett
Jarrod Gartlett
Cameron O'Shea
Cillian McDaid
Michael Gibbons.


We drafted 22 players directly from the under 18s during that period; it’s not like we traded out of any of the drafts.

But let’s say we only went for nothing but TAC graduates in our rebuild - where do we get the number of draft picks needed? To replace the number of guys we delisted since 2015, we would’ve had to have taken about 6 kids each year in the pick #80-100 range. Imagine about a third of our list in 2019 being Finbar O’Dwyer, Caleb Tiller, Anthony Raso types. Remember each of those kids gets an automatic 2 years, unlike DFA or contracted players who you can recruit on 1 year deals (giving you more flexibility with list management).

Many of the names on your above list were DFAs, steak knives in other trades, or fire sale package deals. With the exception of Shaw, Mullett and O’Shea, I would say the rest of them were worth a punt as stopgaps while we built our list.

And of the ‘targeted’ players, McGovern is the only one I’d say we paid overs for. The rest were good value trades, IMO.

Oh - and Sheehan was recruited before SOS arrived and McDaid, Korcheck & Owies were/are categorised rookies (so we could not have used those rookie spots on TAC players).



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tommi wrote:
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Not that I care, just curious, but is Scully's old man on the Hawthorn pay roll, as he was at GWS ?



Nup Murray....

he's still working for GWS...melbourne scout...!

i'm sure he'll worm his way into the hawks
though...!

he's quite a controlling father figure...especially
with Tom...to the detriment of his other child...!


kindest regards tommi


hmmmm, this sounds like its very close to home Tommi..... are you actually Tom Sculli????

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Humpers wrote:
Effes wrote:
Tom Morris "On The Couch" reporting some tension between Bolton and SOS re Stocker.

SOS says play him...Bolton says he's not ready.

What influence should SOS be having on selection? Who will the President back?

Interesting.
Personally would like him to have a bit more influence at VFL level before promoting him to the seniors. From what I've read he uses the ball well but a lack of fitness is holding him back at the moment.


Seems a bit of self interest from SOS. Wanting his chosen pick to be given games to justify the trade?


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yes i believe all i hear from Journos, they only tell the truth.

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There are some journos who have credibility and solid track records. Tom Morris seems a nice enough bloke but his journalistic track record is at the other end of the scale IMO.
Stocker will get a game when he deserves one, IMO. Be it this week or in a month, I doubt SOS will have any say in it.

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Effes wrote:
Tom Morris "On The Couch" reporting some tension between Bolton and SOS re Stocker.

SOS says play him...Bolton says he's not ready.

What influence should SOS be having on selection? Who will the President back?


Put it in context Effes...for those who didnt watch the show.

Gerard Healey doubted everything that came out of Tom The Weasel Morris' mouth. Gerard even questioned the pressure Tom The Weasel's union put on him to give him time on the show.

No one believed a word that came out of that Weasels mouth.

We all know how and why Stocker was drafted. He washighly rated. He's a kid. Stocker isn't ready yet. Andrew Russell is putting kms into his legs.

How can a Carlton supporter believe what comes from that Weasels mouth?

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yes i believe all i hear from Journos, they only tell the truth.


Tell the Truth.

Should bring that show back.

Most sport journos make up stuff to earn a quid.

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Effes wrote:
Tom Morris "On The Couch" reporting some tension between Bolton and SOS re Stocker.

SOS says play him...Bolton says he's not ready.

What influence should SOS be having on selection? Who will the President back?


Tom Morris - small time journo that would throw out any garbage statement to get a headline. Small man syndrome at its greatest


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but when it suits a person's argument its amazing how journos suddenly lay golden eggs.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Yes the list still requires work but its reasonably balanced. As a few of us have been saying for couple of years, small forwards are our deficiency and that is killing us at the moment. For whatever reason, SOS hasn't appreciated the importance of the role or he doesn't have the capacity to select them.
We refuse to understand that it is a specialist role with specialist skills. No doubt we hoped to go into the season with Pickett and the ability of Cunners to adapt provided us with another option.

Not having those players is killing our forward structure. I know some posters call for Silvagni or Garlett but they dont have the skillset. Their strength are primarily marking targets which we have an abundance of.
IMO, we're desperate for Cuningham to return and we need another player with natural forward craft to fill another small forward spot. The only others possible are Pickett, Murphy or Thomas. They aren't natural forwards but Murphy and Thomas have forward smarts and Pickett has the pace and power to be a presence. Hopefully we can select someone in the mid season draft who can assist because Bolts is fighting with one arm behind his back with the forward structure at his disposal.


Is this why we picked up Fasolo?
I admit to no paying much attention to Collingwood so don’t know what role he played there.

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He's a depth player. We were looking to bring mid 20s players into the club to take the load off the kids and to strengthen the NB's.
He's 26 and has kicked 135 AFL goals which is not to be scoffed at. He cost us buggar all so it's worth the list spot IMO. If he helps us get wins in the VFL and we develop a winning expectation, it achieves it's purpose. If he steps up and earns a spot in the AFL team, that's a bonus.

But he's not our major deficiency. Like Garlett, he's a small/mid size marking player. We need a quick, crumbing small who can win ground balls and convert. That should still be our priority. We still have a list spot from memory. We should be scouting everywhere for a specialist in that role.

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