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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:41 pm 
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I read this article this morning and it seemed good until I read this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... de-targets

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SAM DRAPER (Essendon**)

Draft picks: Mid second-round pick
Value on open market: $350,000-450,000 per season

Hard to gauge the value of a rookie coming off an ACL without a senior game to his name. Was closing in on a debut before his reconstruction in May and with the Saints and Bombers both chasing his signature, his value will rise.


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JACK SILVAGNI (CARLTON)

Draft picks: Early third-round pick
Value on open market: $200,000-300,000 per season

Has tinkered his role this season from half-forward to more midfield minutes. There's no shortage of inside midfielders on offer this year but has shown enough in the past month to suggest he'd be a valuable addition to a list.


So when in a sane world is an untried ACL injured rookie player worth more than a kid on the rise who is already showing great improvement this season?


When perception gets in the way of reality.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:45 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I read this article this morning and it seemed good until I read this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... de-targets

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SAM DRAPER (Essendon***)

Draft picks: Mid second-round pick
Value on open market: $350,000-450,000 per season

Hard to gauge the value of a rookie coming off an ACL without a senior game to his name. Was closing in on a debut before his reconstruction in May and with the Saints and Bombers both chasing his signature, his value will rise.


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JACK SILVAGNI (CARLTON)

Draft picks: Early third-round pick
Value on open market: $200,000-300,000 per season

Has tinkered his role this season from half-forward to more midfield minutes. There's no shortage of inside midfielders on offer this year but has shown enough in the past month to suggest he'd be a valuable addition to a list.


So when in a sane world is an untried ACL injured rookie player worth more than a kid on the rise who is already showing great improvement this season?


When perception gets in the way of reality.


:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:56 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
I read this article this morning and it seemed good until I read this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... de-targets

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SAM DRAPER (Essendon**)

Draft picks: Mid second-round pick
Value on open market: $350,000-450,000 per season

Hard to gauge the value of a rookie coming off an ACL without a senior game to his name. Was closing in on a debut before his reconstruction in May and with the Saints and Bombers both chasing his signature, his value will rise.


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JACK SILVAGNI (CARLTON)

Draft picks: Early third-round pick
Value on open market: $200,000-300,000 per season

Has tinkered his role this season from half-forward to more midfield minutes. There's no shortage of inside midfielders on offer this year but has shown enough in the past month to suggest he'd be a valuable addition to a list.


So when in a sane world is an untried ACL injured rookie player worth more than a kid on the rise who is already showing great improvement this season?


But it's worse than that isn't it? I mean does this fool think that the "Silvagni" part of his name is just some sort of weird coincidence? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:57 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I read this article this morning and it seemed good until I read this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... de-targets

Quote:
SAM DRAPER (Essendon***)

Draft picks: Mid second-round pick
Value on open market: $350,000-450,000 per season

Hard to gauge the value of a rookie coming off an ACL without a senior game to his name. Was closing in on a debut before his reconstruction in May and with the Saints and Bombers both chasing his signature, his value will rise.


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JACK SILVAGNI (CARLTON)

Draft picks: Early third-round pick
Value on open market: $200,000-300,000 per season

Has tinkered his role this season from half-forward to more midfield minutes. There's no shortage of inside midfielders on offer this year but has shown enough in the past month to suggest he'd be a valuable addition to a list.


So when in a sane world is an untried ACL injured rookie player worth more than a kid on the rise who is already showing great improvement this season?


But it's worse than that isn't it? I mean does this fool think that the "Silvagni" part of his name is just some sort of weird coincidence? :roll:


Possibly. :lol: :screwy:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:55 pm 
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Who the @#$%&! is Sam Draper?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Would be more than happy for SOS to have a go at Zac Jones, I reckon he adds a different dynamic to the team and wouldn't cost a bomb


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:16 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Who the @#$%&! is Sam Draper?



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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:lol: :clap:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Crusader wrote:
Who the @#$%&! is Sam Draper?


Don Draper's daughter, I think.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Would be more than happy for SOS to have a go at Zac Jones, I reckon he adds a different dynamic to the team and wouldn't cost a bomb


From the limited games i've seen of him, he's like a better version of Mitch Robinson. Hardnut!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Crusader wrote:
Who the @#$%&! is Sam Draper?


Shaun Hampson MkII


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:29 am 
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HUN mentions today that Silvagni and Gibbons should be offered new contracts and that Casboult will tick off a games-based clause if he remains in the team.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:32 am 
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HUN mentions today that Silvagni and Gibbons should be offered new contracts and that Casboult will tick off a games-based clause if he remains in the team.


All good news.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:29 am 
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SPS slotting in brilliantly to Simmo's role.
Newman doing the same in Doc's role.

I wonder if we give Doc more midfield minutes... (if his knee permits)... he has the tank and the size. We have so much depth down back it's not funny (despite loss of Williamson, and before him, Byrne).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:18 am 
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Phillips was good on the weekend and with TDK in development i think we are ok with the ruck, which if you'd asked me that last week I'd have probably felt differently about.

Similarly with Setterfield having a breakout g a me on the weekend and Diesel a fan of Stocker I'm starting to think spending big on a proven mid maybe isnt a priorirty , instead Small Forward is our most pressing need. Give me Papley and if we can avoid losing pick 11 or whatever is our first pick then we have done well.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:39 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Phillips was good on the weekend and with TDK in development i think we are ok with the ruck, which if you'd asked me that last week I'd have probably felt differently about.

Similarly with Setterfield having a breakout g a me on the weekend and Diesel a fan of Stocker I'm starting to think spending big on a proven mid maybe isnt a priorirty , instead Small Forward is our most pressing need. Give me Papley and if we can avoid losing pick 11 or whatever is our first pick then we have done well.


I agree about the ruck, but I'm not sure on your logic for the rest.

Setterfield is playing his best football on the wing and Stocker is playing off half back and looks like a good link player.
Ed Curnow is 29 and Murphy is 31.
We need mature age A-Grade pure mids (23-26ish), that will stop the ball from moving past centre and win in the clearances when Crippa is resting.

We already have Kennedy, Cunningham, Dow, Gibbons, Fisher, Owies*, DeLuca*, Lang*, Fasolo*, Polson*, Garlett*, LeBois* and possibly SPS that can all play a pressure small forward role.

*Need to be proven still.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:00 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Phillips was good on the weekend and with TDK in development i think we are ok with the ruck, which if you'd asked me that last week I'd have probably felt differently about.

Similarly with Setterfield having a breakout g a me on the weekend and Diesel a fan of Stocker I'm starting to think spending big on a proven mid maybe isnt a priorirty , instead Small Forward is our most pressing need. Give me Papley and if we can avoid losing pick 11 or whatever is our first pick then we have done well.

Agree... also, I'm not certain that we can. We've got one genuine $1m unicorn in Cripps, plus a handful of above average 184cm 82kg types that will average $400k+ on their next deals.

A top of the line stoppages and contested ball coach might make a midfielder out of Kennedy again and continue Setterfield's growth, then hopefully find another couple of similar size to keep the listed reserves competitive. If we can tick those two boxes AND win the lottery with Docherty and Williamson returning, then 17 will be within reach.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:05 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Phillips was good on the weekend and with TDK in development i think we are ok with the ruck, which if you'd asked me that last week I'd have probably felt differently about.

Similarly with Setterfield having a breakout g a me on the weekend and Diesel a fan of Stocker I'm starting to think spending big on a proven mid maybe isnt a priorirty , instead Small Forward is our most pressing need. Give me Papley and if we can avoid losing pick 11 or whatever is our first pick then we have done well.

Agree... also, I'm not certain that we can. We've got one genuine $1m unicorn in Cripps, plus a handful of above average 184cm 82kg types that will average $400k+ on their next deals.

A top of the line stoppages and contested ball coach might make a midfielder out of Kennedy again and continue Setterfield's growth, then hopefully find another couple of similar size to keep the listed reserves competitive. If we can tick those two boxes AND win the lottery with Docherty and Williamson returning, then 17 will be within reach.


We will be losing Kruezer, Daisy, Murphy and Simmo soon. That should make some space. Plus I think we also have extra space for not meeting the minimum TPPs for a few years.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:37 pm 
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Need a proper small forward

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