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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:22 am 
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jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .

We don't have anyone else on the list who can do what Plowman does.

Kennedy may find himself on the outer in time


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:25 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .

We don't have anyone else on the list who can do what Plowman does.

Kennedy may find himself on the outer in time


Sprint training can fix speed issues, to a degree.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:04 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .

We don't have anyone else on the list who can do what Plowman does.

Kennedy may find himself on the outer in time


Sprint training can fix speed issues, to a degree.

Not really. You might improve acceleration & agility in the gym, but grown adults won’t change their top line speed - especially not in a 360 degree AFL environment.

If there was a secret sauce to increase AFL speed without blowing hammys, Essendon* would’ve injected it by now.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:14 am 
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club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.


Spot on. No easy way to rebalance the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:43 am 
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club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.

How many times in the last two years have they all been available.
Last weekend we had three of the eight. Cas, Harry and McGovern.
Depth is how teams win games. They all know they are going to get a run when they are needed.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:45 am 
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I'd be sad to let Levi go, he's really turned his career around and been great for us down back.

BUT, we do have a lot of talls and we got him as a rookie... as the saying goes, buy low sell high. If we can get a decent pick for him, to use on a Papley or Martin (for example), I would do it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:53 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .

We don't have anyone else on the list who can do what Plowman does.

Kennedy may find himself on the outer in time


Sprint training can fix speed issues, to a degree.

Not really. You might improve acceleration & agility in the gym, but grown adults won’t change their top line speed - especially not in a 360 degree AFL environment.

If there was a secret sauce to increase AFL speed without blowing hammys, Essendon** would’ve injected it by now.


Yes and no, it all depends on the individual and you would have to assume most players are not at their full potential.
Acceleration peak performance is governed by muscle twitch as too top speed. So while gym work can increase power therefore acceleration, technique can increase top speed also. i.e. correct kinetics for sprinting, something most players or people for that fact don't do.

But I do agree there are inherit risks in excessive gym work to create power, especially explosive work like plyometric training. This is why fast twitch muscles in the indigenous players are more prone to soft tissue injuries as we have seen, especially the hamstring. i.e. Rankine.

I think in order for * to have found the right injection they would have to get someone from Geelong again. :lol:

But in the case of Plowman and Kennedy top speed is not so much an issue as is explosive 5-20m, like Cripps had.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:16 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
We haven’t been playing a smaller forward line.
Last week 2 weeks for instance we played with Casboult, McKay, SOJ, McGovern. That’s not small.
This week we replaced Cass with Kennedy but only because of necessity.
I feel Charlie, McKay, SOJ and MCGov will be our long term forward line.


I assume you mean against Richmond. Bad example if so as our forward line was terrible against Richmond. They walked it out of there and if you watch the first quarter they set up their win by
paying Casboult and Harry no respect and running off them.

If we are looking for trade currency we have it in tall players that wont fit into our 22. They are unnecessary for our list.
If we could use one or two to bring in dynamic small to medium forwards I would be all for it.

We have so many talls there would still be pressure for spots if we traded one or two.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:39 pm 
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Our players 190cm plus:

Phillips, Andrew - 203cm - Ruck
Casboult, Levi - 201cm - Utility
De Koning, Tom - 201cm - Forward / Ruck
Kreuzer, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
Lobbe, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
McKay, Harry - 200cm - Forward
Jones, Liam - 198cm - Defender
Goddard, Hugh - 197cm - Defender
Kerr, Pat - 197cm - Forward
Macreadie, Harrison - 196cm - Defender
Silvagni, Ben - 196cm - Defender / Forward
Cripps, Patrick - 195cm - Midfield
Weitering, Jacob - 195cm - Defender
Curnow, Charlie - 194cm - Forward
Marchbank, Caleb - 193cm - Defender
O'Dwyer, Finbar - 191cm - Forward
Plowman, Lachlan - 191cm - Defender
Silvagni, Jack - 191cm - Utility
McGovern, Mitch - 190cm - Forward
Schumacher, Angus - 190cm - Defender
Setterfield, Will - 190cm - Midfielder


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:46 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
Our players 190cm plus:

Phillips, Andrew - 203cm - Ruck
Casboult, Levi - 201cm - Utility
De Koning, Tom - 201cm - Forward / Ruck
Kreuzer, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
Lobbe, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
McKay, Harry - 200cm - Forward
Jones, Liam - 198cm - Defender
Goddard, Hugh - 197cm - Defender
Kerr, Pat - 197cm - Forward
Macreadie, Harrison - 196cm - Defender
Silvagni, Ben - 196cm - Defender / Forward
Cripps, Patrick - 195cm - Midfield
Weitering, Jacob - 195cm - Defender
Curnow, Charlie - 194cm - Forward
Marchbank, Caleb - 193cm - Defender
O'Dwyer, Finbar - 191cm - Forward
Plowman, Lachlan - 191cm - Defender
Silvagni, Jack - 191cm - Utility
McGovern, Mitch - 190cm - Forward
Schumacher, Angus - 190cm - Defender
Setterfield, Will - 190cm - Midfielder


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:29 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
I'd be sad to let Levi go, he's really turned his career around and been great for us down back.

BUT, we do have a lot of talls and we got him as a rookie... as the saying goes, buy low sell high. If we can get a decent pick for him, to use on a Papley or Martin (for example), I would do it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:50 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .



The same Plowman who beat the best small forward in the game, Charlie Cameron?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:52 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .

We don't have anyone else on the list who can do what Plowman does.

Kennedy may find himself on the outer in time


Sprint training can fix speed issues, to a degree.

Not really. You might improve acceleration & agility in the gym, but grown adults won’t change their top line speed - especially not in a 360 degree AFL environment.

If there was a secret sauce to increase AFL speed without blowing hammys, Essendon*** would’ve injected it by now.


Yes and no, it all depends on the individual and you would have to assume most players are not at their full potential.
Acceleration peak performance is governed by muscle twitch as too top speed. So while gym work can increase power therefore acceleration, technique can increase top speed also. i.e. correct kinetics for sprinting, something most players or people for that fact don't do.

But I do agree there are inherit risks in excessive gym work to create power, especially explosive work like plyometric training. This is why fast twitch muscles in the indigenous players are more prone to soft tissue injuries as we have seen, especially the hamstring. i.e. Rankine.

I think in order for * to have found the right injection they would have to get someone from Geelong again. :lol:

But in the case of Plowman and Kennedy top speed is not so much an issue as is explosive 5-20m, like Cripps had.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:54 pm 
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Considering the players constantly injured in our back 6 this year, Plowman and Newman have been reliable every week, with Newman providing some outstanding games and Plowman a model of consistency.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:05 pm 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Considering the players constantly injured in our back 6 this year, Plowman and Newman have been reliable every week, with Newman providing some outstanding games and Plowman a model of consistency.

Absolutely. Stats don't do his game on Saturday any justice.

Elite numbers on the tracker.

Also, 191cm is not tall. Not in today's game.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Jack re-signed for two years.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:17 pm 
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If we need to trade a tall, I’d trade Jones ahead of Casboult or Marchbank.
Casboult could be our Jeremy McGovern in defence and also provides forward cover and ruck relief.
Marchbank plays small for a key back, just as Plowman plays tall.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:29 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
If we need to trade a tall, I’d trade Jones ahead of Casboult or Marchbank.
Casboult could be our Jeremy McGovern in defence and also provides forward cover and ruck relief.
Marchbank plays small for a key back, just as Plowman plays tall.


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I agree. Jones a year younger, but Levi more versatile

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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:12 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
Our players 190cm plus:

Phillips, Andrew - 203cm - Ruck
Casboult, Levi - 201cm - Utility
De Koning, Tom - 201cm - Forward / Ruck
Kreuzer, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
Lobbe, Matthew - 200cm - Ruck
McKay, Harry - 200cm - Forward
Jones, Liam - 198cm - Defender
Goddard, Hugh - 197cm - Defender
Kerr, Pat - 197cm - Forward
Macreadie, Harrison - 196cm - Defender
Silvagni, Ben - 196cm - Defender / Forward
Cripps, Patrick - 195cm - Midfield
Weitering, Jacob - 195cm - Defender
Curnow, Charlie - 194cm - Forward
Marchbank, Caleb - 193cm - Defender
O'Dwyer, Finbar - 191cm - Forward
Plowman, Lachlan - 191cm - Defender
Silvagni, Jack - 191cm - Utility
McGovern, Mitch - 190cm - Forward
Schumacher, Angus - 190cm - Defender
Setterfield, Will - 190cm - Midfielder


Lobbe, Kerr, Macreadie, Schumacher and Goddard could all easily go next year to help rebalancing....


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:20 pm 
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How about we just keep them all.

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