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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:27 pm 
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I think Marchbank is good

I have no problem with Plowman

Kennedy looks slower this year than last year (and he had the crook ankle last year).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Polson, Fasolo, Lang, Lobbe & Phillips are probably the worst five on our list. On some days, I think that Simpson and Thomas stifle development, but the other days are when I look through the rest of the list.

Also not too sure what purpose Pickett & Garlett serve... perhaps the former is kept around so McGovern can avoid the 'worst rig' tag.

Haven't seen much of de Koning, Schumacher, Macreadie, Williamson or Kerr... Finbar would want to be good. It's still too soon after Bootsma.


15 out of 40 is too many.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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De Koning injured Williamson injured McReadie injured. Picket looked okay but injure

so Schumacher - would like him to get a game and just see.

Kerr would klike him to play FF and move Curnow to the wing or backline. Throw things around for flowers sake doing the same thing harder is just dumb.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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A summary of list changes during Bolton's time.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... e6e39e2ad3

CARLTON LIST CHANGES UNDER BOLTON

2015
IN: Jed Lamb (trade), Andrew Phillips (trade), Lachie Plowman (trade), Liam Sumner (trade), Sam Kerridge (trade), Daniel Gorringe (delisted free agent), Matthew Wright (delisted free agent), Jacob Weitering (pick 1), Harry McKay (pick 10), Charlie Curnow (pick 12), David Cuningham (pick 23), Jack Silvagni (pick 53), Andrew Galluci (rookie), Jesse Glass-McCasker (rookie), Matt Korcheck (international rookie)
OUT: Troy Menzel (trade), Chris Yarran (trade), Lachie Henderson (trade), Tom Bell (trade), Chris Judd (retired), Andrew Carrazzo (retired), David Ellard (retired), Matthew Watson, Robert Warnock, Cameron Giles, Nick Holman, Blaine Johnson, Bradley Walsh, Tom Fields, Fraser Russell


2016
IN: Billie Smedts (trade), Caleb Marchbank (trade), Jarrod Pickett (trade), Rhys Palmer (trade), Sam Petrevski-Seton (pick 6), Zac Fisher (pick 27), Harrison Macreadie (pick 47), Cam Polson (pick 59), Tom Williamson (pick 61), Patrick Kerr (pick 65), Kym LeBois (rookie), Alex Silvagni (rookie)
OUT: Andrew Walker (retired), Michael Jamison (retired), Cameron Wood (retired), Zach Tuohy (trade), Matthew Dick, Jayden Foster, Clem Smith, Andrejs Everitt, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Jason Tutt, Mark Whiley, Andrew Galluci, Billy Gowers


2017
IN: Matthew Lobbe (trade), Matt Kennedy (trade), Darcy Lang (trade), Aaron Mullett (trade), Paddy Dow (pick 3), Lochie O’Brien (pick 10), Tom de Koning (pick 30), Jarrod Garlett (pick 78), Cam O’Shea (pre-season draft), Matt Shaw (rookie), Cilliam McDaid (international rookie)
OUT: Dennis Armfield (retired), Daniel Gorringe (retired), Bryce Gibbs (trade), Matt Korcheck, Kristian Jaksch, Liam Sumner, Andrew Gallucci, Dylan Buckley, Ciaran Sheehan, Rhys Palmer, Blaine Boekhorst, Billie Smedts, Simon White


2018
IN: Mitch McGovern (trade), Will Setterfield (trade), Nic Newman (trade), Alex Fasolo (trade), Sam Walsh (pick 1), Liam Stocker (pick 19), Finbar O’Dwyer (pick 66), Ben Silvagni (pick 70)
OUT: Alex Silvagni (retired), Cillian McDaid (retired), Aaron Mullett, Cam O’Shea, Matthew Shaw, Jesse Glass-McCasker, Matthew Wright, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Rowe, Jed Lamb, Nick Graham, Sam Kerridge

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Lots of hindsight masquerading as insight in the press today, and an embarrassment of errors regarding the list. Research is apparently not something most footy journalists can manage.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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bluechampion wrote:
Research is apparently not something most footy journalists can manage.


The only research footy journo's do is when they Google something twice.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:42 am 
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Going forward we could fix our lack of experienced players issue in one offseason if we are daring enough.
We would also probably need Roos' name attached to the club in some way shape or form.
We have this years 1st, next years 1st (would be a great auction) , possibly a PP and then possibly a player ( SPS? ) to deal with. A free agent if the vibe (Roos) is right.

That should be able to net us a number of quality established players that could work with the capt to take us up the ladder.

Thinking A Crouch bro, Papley, Parker, Cunnington, a collingwood player or two squeezed out by SC issues type player.

We dont need the risk of the draft at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:54 am 
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club29 wrote:
Going forward we could fix our lack of experienced players issue in one offseason if we are daring enough.
We would also probably need Roos' name attached to the club in some way shape or form.
We have this years 1st, next years 1st (would be a great auction) , possibly a PP and then possibly a player ( SPS? ) to deal with. A free agent if the vibe (Roos) is right.

That should be able to net us a number of quality established players that could work with the capt to take us up the ladder.

Thinking A Crouch bro, Papley, Parker, Cunnington, a collingwood player or two squeezed out by SC issues type player.

We dont need the risk of the draft at this point.


I think you're on the money with that logic, club.

The new coaching appointment is the key to us being enough of a destination club. Also the old guard on the playing list need to vacate the scene as well to let the new guys take some ownership.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:37 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
club29 wrote:
Going forward we could fix our lack of experienced players issue in one offseason if we are daring enough.
We would also probably need Roos' name attached to the club in some way shape or form.
We have this years 1st, next years 1st (would be a great auction) , possibly a PP and then possibly a player ( SPS? ) to deal with. A free agent if the vibe (Roos) is right.

That should be able to net us a number of quality established players that could work with the capt to take us up the ladder.

Thinking A Crouch bro, Papley, Parker, Cunnington, a collingwood player or two squeezed out by SC issues type player.

We dont need the risk of the draft at this point.


I think you're on the money with that logic, club.

The new coaching appointment is the key to us being enough of a destination club. Also the old guard on the playing list need to vacate the scene as well to let the new guys take some ownership.


Yes Simpson, Dalesy and Murphy should be moved on. Happy to have K and Ed around.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:13 pm 
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Have a listen to our list management podcast of Carlton (second half of the episode below) where we discuss the 3 biggest hits and misses under the SOS/Bolton partnership.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/metres ... oplay=true

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440625527

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4gKpAPPBK20KwKbiVNEtY2


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
A summary of list changes during Bolton's time.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... e6e39e2ad3

CARLTON LIST CHANGES UNDER BOLTON

2015
IN: Jed Lamb (trade), Andrew Phillips (trade), Lachie Plowman (trade), Liam Sumner (trade), Sam Kerridge (trade), Daniel Gorringe (delisted free agent), Matthew Wright (delisted free agent), Jacob Weitering (pick 1), Harry McKay (pick 10), Charlie Curnow (pick 12), David Cuningham (pick 23), Jack Silvagni (pick 53), Andrew Galluci (rookie), Jesse Glass-McCasker (rookie), Matt Korcheck (international rookie)
OUT: Troy Menzel (trade), Chris Yarran (trade), Lachie Henderson (trade), Tom Bell (trade), Chris Judd (retired), Andrew Carrazzo (retired), David Ellard (retired), Matthew Watson, Robert Warnock, Cameron Giles, Nick Holman, Blaine Johnson, Bradley Walsh, Tom Fields, Fraser Russell


2016
IN: Billie Smedts (trade), Caleb Marchbank (trade), Jarrod Pickett (trade), Rhys Palmer (trade), Sam Petrevski-Seton (pick 6), Zac Fisher (pick 27), Harrison Macreadie (pick 47), Cam Polson (pick 59), Tom Williamson (pick 61), Patrick Kerr (pick 65), Kym LeBois (rookie), Alex Silvagni (rookie)
OUT: Andrew Walker (retired), Michael Jamison (retired), Cameron Wood (retired), Zach Tuohy (trade), Matthew Dick, Jayden Foster, Clem Smith, Andrejs Everitt, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Jason Tutt, Mark Whiley, Andrew Galluci, Billy Gowers


2017
IN: Matthew Lobbe (trade), Matt Kennedy (trade), Darcy Lang (trade), Aaron Mullett (trade), Paddy Dow (pick 3), Lochie O’Brien (pick 10), Tom de Koning (pick 30), Jarrod Garlett (pick 78), Cam O’Shea (pre-season draft), Matt Shaw (rookie), Cilliam McDaid (international rookie)
OUT: Dennis Armfield (retired), Daniel Gorringe (retired), Bryce Gibbs (trade), Matt Korcheck, Kristian Jaksch, Liam Sumner, Andrew Gallucci, Dylan Buckley, Ciaran Sheehan, Rhys Palmer, Blaine Boekhorst, Billie Smedts, Simon White


2018
IN: Mitch McGovern (trade), Will Setterfield (trade), Nic Newman (trade), Alex Fasolo (trade), Sam Walsh (pick 1), Liam Stocker (pick 19), Finbar O’Dwyer (pick 66), Ben Silvagni (pick 70)
OUT: Alex Silvagni (retired), Cillian McDaid (retired), Aaron Mullett, Cam O’Shea, Matthew Shaw, Jesse Glass-McCasker, Matthew Wright, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Rowe, Jed Lamb, Nick Graham, Sam Kerridge


So out of 39 outs the only two we got wrong were Gowers and Holman. That’s a pretty good hit rate.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:41 pm 
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We have around 20 players out of contract this year, I wonder who will make the call on some of these players in regard to new contracts being offered.
It would be a difficult time for some of them if they have to wait until the new coach is appointed.
One interesting thing that MLG said on Monday was the worry about player retention in the next couple of years if they didnt make a move on Bolton to try to turn things around.
Makes you wonder if they have word that some players are looking to move on when their contracts run out.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
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Cunningham would potentially be on that list, and I reckon he is a priority to lock in (for this year)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Is this list accurate?

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/to-carlton-blues


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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DocSherrin III wrote:

That looks about right, not sure about Fasolo being contracted to 2021 though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:01 pm 
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Key re-signings are Cuningham, Jones, Marchbank, Ed and Kruezer.
We surely will not turn over another 12-15 players so I would imagine many of these will be offered new contracts.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Cunningham is a yet to confirm to me. His best is pretty good, but so far as a mid he should be well ahead of Weiters, Curnow and McKay. He seems to be a bit injury prone and could end up being just one of those players that will never have a good run. Let's hope not.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
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Sidefx wrote:
Cunningham is a yet to confirm to me. His best is pretty good, but so far as a mid he should be well ahead of Weiters, Curnow and McKay. He seems to be a bit injury prone and could end up being just one of those players that will never have a good run. Let's hope not.


He has hardly played due to injury. Best run is 3 games in a row, which will hopefully be broken now.

He is our line breaker, clean hands, agile, kicks goals, a real weapon.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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The Normal One wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Cunningham is a yet to confirm to me. His best is pretty good, but so far as a mid he should be well ahead of Weiters, Curnow and McKay. He seems to be a bit injury prone and could end up being just one of those players that will never have a good run. Let's hope not.


He has hardly played due to injury. Best run is 3 games in a row, which will hopefully be broken now.

He is our line breaker, clean hands, agile, kicks goals, a real weapon.


And here lies the issue.....let's hope you're right and he can have a good run for the rest of the season. AR needs to work his magic as we have too many key players that are continually in and out of the team due to injuries.


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