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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:13 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Listen BV

Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him
What he does have is
Great hands
Skills great awareness etc

If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit
we would have helped him



I portray Carlton a great club in every post, do I? :lol:
Surely you can do better than that Keogh.
If the club deserves a kicking, I've given it my fair share over the years.

But yes, Let's see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure.

Go Blues!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:33 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Listen BV

Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him
What he does have is
Great hands
Skills great awareness etc

If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit
we would have helped him



I portray Carlton a great club in every post, do I? :lol:
Surely you can do better than that Keogh.
If the club deserves a kicking, I've given it my fair share over the years.

But yes, Let's see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow. :thumbsup:


Plowman amongst the coaches votes in the Carlton-GWS 44 point victory.

Get Stack in the Draft ... or is from the the WAFL?

Get Southcombe from Golden Square
Get Oliver from Bendigo
Get Duigan from the SAFL

Could've got Setterfield and Stack instead of Cottrell or Gibbons. Easily. :gift:

Should release Martin Bryant and put him in Carlton's care for repair. :yikes:

Everyone has there reasons. I'm sure Brodie and SOS had there's.
Something good about no flower policies: consistency and group harmony for a start.
Tick Tick Tick...BOOM!!

Carlton in no position to be playing Russian Roulette circa 2019.

Would like Stack on our list if we could guarantee no off field issues or any wanted attention to our Brand.

Its not the end of the world as keogh knows it.

Carlton will compliment its classy list now we have a great list with a few needs including x factor we were hoping Pickett could be in 2019.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:36 am 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure.

Go Blues!


Good post BM

Dow is only 19yo and already beating up opposition team, including Tigers with his clearances...19!

Fisher has been consistently mentioned since 2018.

I still think another Silvagni will headline that list too. Fingers crossed its Jack with a break out game this year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:05 am 
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Correct me if i'm wrong....

but i'm pretty sure we can't have Stack on
our list anymore Keogh...!


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:51 am 
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keogh wrote:
Listen BV

Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him
What he does have is
Great hands
Skills great awareness etc

If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit
we would have helped him
Much rather him than Setterfield

What it does highlight is the importance of thorough recruiting
right across all competitions
including the WAFL
If I was on an interview panel for the head of recruitment at
an AFL club the first question I would ask is do you know
how to get to every next level down club below
the AFL in Australia

And it’s a growing trend
More players are coming into the AFL through
the VFL, SANFL and the WAFL

Let us not get left behind in growing trends of the game
like we have in the last 20 years

You just don’t recruit from GWS
Don’t worry Brodie
He is the National Recruiting Manager
His all over it

For what it’s worth I think Gibbons can play a bit
But Bolton is playing him in the wrong spot
His not a small forward

He is Pure on baller
Play him there and let’s see how good he is

Anyway see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow


Stack had played one game and you’d much prefer him than Setterfield? Keeping in mind that 18 clubs overlooked Stack in the draft and 18 clubs rated Setterfield in the top 5 of the draft, with many rating him at pick 1? The same Setterfield who has played 4 games since a knee reco.

I’m very confident our guy will have the better career


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:19 am 
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tommi wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong....

but i'm pretty sure we can't have Stack on
our list anymore Keogh...!


kindest regards tommi


We already have a Stack of great players on our list from the last 4 drafts.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:20 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
keogh wrote:
Listen BV

Whatever issues he may have had 17 clubs ignored him
What he does have is
Great hands
Skills great awareness etc

If Carlton is such a great club as you portray in ever post you submit
we would have helped him
Much rather him than Setterfield

What it does highlight is the importance of thorough recruiting
right across all competitions
including the WAFL
If I was on an interview panel for the head of recruitment at
an AFL club the first question I would ask is do you know
how to get to every next level down club below
the AFL in Australia

And it’s a growing trend
More players are coming into the AFL through
the VFL, SANFL and the WAFL

Let us not get left behind in growing trends of the game
like we have in the last 20 years

You just don’t recruit from GWS
Don’t worry Brodie
He is the National Recruiting Manager
His all over it

For what it’s worth I think Gibbons can play a bit
But Bolton is playing him in the wrong spot
His not a small forward

He is Pure on baller
Play him there and let’s see how good he is

Anyway see how Plowman and the boys go tomorrow


Stack had played one game and you’d much prefer him than Setterfield? Keeping in mind that 18 clubs overlooked Stack in the draft and 18 clubs rated Setterfield in the top 5 of the draft, with many rating him at pick 1? The same Setterfield who has played 4 games since a knee reco.

I’m very confident our guy will have the better career


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I like logical posts. Thanks jake :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:33 am 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
First it was just Cripps, then it was Cripps and Docherty. Then Cripps, Docherty and Weitering, then add Charlie.....Now its Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Charlie, Harry, SPS and Walsh! that's 7 elite talents gaining attention and momentum and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have another couple come of age. Our young talent is exciting and I can finally see a light at the end of the longest and most depressing tunnel I've ever had to endure.

Go Blues!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:21 pm 
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I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally
kicked a winning score

A few things
Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer
which he is and you will eventually get found out

just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going
to translate at AFL level
Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus
he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have
got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this
Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues
at Bolton’s house is all that was needed

SOS has recruited some terrific young talent
He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs
He has delisted around a dozen of them already
He should have punted on youth or late developers in
the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc

Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in
the 2019 draft

To say the list is great is utter bullshit
Remember 2012
People including the board thought the list was great then
looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was
exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames
Ratten and sacks him
Those 3 are still there
Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake
in replacing Ratten with Mick
That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft
We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally
kicked a winning score

A few things
Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer
which he is and you will eventually get found out

just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going
to translate at AFL level
Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus
he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have
got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this
Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues
at Bolton’s house is all that was needed

SOS has recruited some terrific young talent
He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs
He has delisted around a dozen of them already
He should have punted on youth or late developers in
the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc

Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in
the 2019 draft

To say the list is great is utter bullshit
Remember 2012
People including the board thought the list was great then
looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was
exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames
Ratten and sacks him
Those 3 are still there
Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake
in replacing Ratten with Mick
That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft
We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth.


I agree with some of that - the points on recruiting duds from other clubs - I thought we would be better to hang on to many of them - like Bucks, Holman, Gowers...even a bloke like Everitt had more value than the spuds we brought in to replace him.

But SOS has performed wonders with turning average players into picks then packaging picks for premium players. Hats off for that.

Ratten and Mick made some big mistakes, but even those mistakes shouldn't have us where we are now. Let's hope the playing group can continue on from last week.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:09 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I was rapped we won on Sunday and finally
kicked a winning score

A few things
Plowman has his best game, but have too many defenders that are doer
which he is and you will eventually get found out

just because Setterfield was a high ranked junior doesn’t mean he is going
to translate at AFL level
Watch some of his junior footy. He was a bigger kid than most of his opponents thus
he dominated. Doesn’t mean you will dominate at 21 because guys you played against have
got bigger. Some guys develop early. Some develop late. The better recruiters have a better handle on this
Stack is a gun and was worth a late pick at least . Perhaps a few barbecues
at Bolton’s house is all that was needed

SOS has recruited some terrific young talent
He has also recruited some absolute duds from other clubs
He has delisted around a dozen of them already
He should have punted on youth or late developers in
the lower leagues not getting Shaw, OShea and Mulkett etc

Because of the list strategy in last years draft we don’t have a lot to go to in
the 2019 draft

To say the list is great is utter bullshit
Remember 2012
People including the board thought the list was great then
looked what happened . A few injuries and the depth of our list was
exposed. So the board which included Pratt, Loguidice and Clarke blames
Ratten and sacks him
Those 3 are still there
Hope they have learnt from their very costly mistake
in replacing Ratten with Mick
That’s why I was so disgusted with what went on in last years draft
We are not ready to trade good picks away . Our list lacks depth.


Sure Stack is looking like a steal, but remember that Richmond used it's very last pick to select him and is still way too early to make a call on whether his off field issues wont resurface.

It's a luxury that the Tigers with a very mature list had that we as a rebuilding list don't.

We have had cultural issues that have been addressed by the club (SOS) in moving anyone that doesn't have a professional attitude out of the club and with so many young kids we don't have the mature players to take a kid like stack under their wing to help him meet the responsibilities of the modern player.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:17 pm 
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You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:50 pm 
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ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:23 pm 
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ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.



Yeah I’m a bit grumpier in my latter eyes but hey
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.



SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Don't we have a List Manager and Head Recruiter now who both AREN'T SOS?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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AGRO wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.



SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch.

Do you know what the probability of a rookie pick succeeding at a clubs is? Very slim. Is sos performing much worse than his peers?

“60% of rookies never play a senior game and less than 10% of rookie picks make it to 100 games. Finding gems in the rough is a quantity game – it also involves digging up a lot of worthless rocks.”

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:56 pm 
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keogh wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.



Yeah I’m a bit grumpier in my latter eyes but hey
I don’t have the roses coloured glasses on and go into full bodied
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:59 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
AGRO wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
You also have to accept that every year at least one of the other 17 clubs will draft someone very late who will be good. It's great though if you want to criticise our list management because you're guaranteed to have something to moan about.



SOS’s late draft & rookie picks have been atrocious (since he took over) so we’ve every right to put those picks under the blow torch.

Do you know what the probability of a rookie pick succeeding at a clubs is? Very slim. Is sos performing much worse than his peers?

“60% of rookies never play a senior game and less than 10% of rookie picks make it to 100 games. Finding gems in the rough is a quantity game – it also involves digging up a lot of worthless rocks.”

http://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=6369

And Shaw Mullet O’Shea etc chances of succeeding was zero


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