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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:54 pm 
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We now have Adelaide's 2019 first rounder instead of our own.

Playing list...

Primary list: 40
Rookie list: 3
Cat B Rookie: 1

##. Finbar O'Dwyer 24/7/00 (2018 ND#66)
##. Sam Walsh 2/7/00 (2018 ND#1)
##. Ben Silvagni 7/5/00 (2018 ND#70)
##. Liam Stocker 23/1/00 (2018 ND#19)
02. Paddy Dow 16/10/99 (2017 ND#3)
04. Loch O’Brien 18/9/99 (2017 ND#10)
12. Tom DeKoning 16/7/99 (2017 ND#30)
19. Angus Schumacher 16/3/99 (2017 ND#70)
31. Tom Williamson 12/12/98 (2016 ND#61)
36. Patrick Kerr 31/7/98 (2016 ND#65)
25. Zac Fisher 15/6/98 (2016 ND#27)
42. Kym LeBois 31/5/98 (2016 RD#5)
26. Harrison Macreadie 11/4/98 (2016 ND#47)
29. Cameron Polson 11/3/98 (2016 ND#59)
05. Sam Petrevski-Seton 19/2/98 (2016 ND#6)
##. Will Setterfield 5/2/98 (2016 ND#5 GWS, 2018 Tr.P)
10. Harry McKay 24/12/97 (2015 ND#10)
01. Jack Silvagni 17/12/97 (2015 ND F/S #53)
23. Jacob Weitering 23/11/97 (2015 ND#1)
07. Matthew Kennedy 6/4/97 (2015 ND#13 GWS, 2017 Tr.P)
28. David Cuningham 30/3/97 (2015 ND#23)
##. Matthew Owies 19/3/97 (2018 Cat B Rookie)
30. Charlie Curnow 3/2/97 (2015 ND#12)
22. Caleb Marchbank 7/12/96 (2014 ND#6 GWS, 2016 Tr.P)
##. Hugh Goddard 24/8/96 (2014 ND#21 St.K, 2018 RD#1)
33. Jarred Pickett 18/8/96 (2014 ND#4 GWS, 2016 Tr.P)
21. Jarrod Garlett 3/5/96 (2014 ND#15 GC, 2017 ND#78)
16. Darcy Lang 21/11/95 (2013 ND#11 Geel, 2017 Tr.P)
09. Patrick Cripps 18/3/95 (2013 ND#13)
##. Mitch McGovern 11/10/94 (2014 ND#43 Ade, 2018 Tr.P)
20. Lachie Plowman 11//9/94 (2012 ND#3 GWS, 2015 Tr.P)
15. Sam Docherty 17/10/93 (2011 ND#12 Bris, 2013 Tr.P)
##.Tomas Bugg 5/4/93 (2010 PP GWS, 2015 Tr.P Melb, 2018 RD#19)
##. Nic Newman 15/1/93 (2015 RD#35 Syd, 2018 Tr.P)
##. Alex Fasolo 8/6/92 (2010 ND#45 Coll, 2018 Tr.P)
34. Andrew Phillips 3/7/91 (2010 RD#4 GWS, 2012 ND#97 GWS, 2015 Tr.P)
14. Liam Jones 24/2/91 (2008 ND#32 WB, 2014 Tr.P)
41. Levi Casboult 15/3/90 (2009 RD#44, 2012 ND #89)
35. Edward Curnow 7/11/89 (2010 RD#18, 2013 ND#89)
08. Matthew Kreuzer 13/5/89 (2007 ND PP #1)
27. Matthew Lobbe 12/2/89 (2007 ND#16 PA, 2017 Tr.P)
03. Marc Murphy 19/7/87 (2005 ND PP #1)
39. Dale Thomas 21/6/87 (2005 PP ND #2 Coll, 2013 FA)
06. Kade Simpson 5/5/84 (2002 ND #45)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 pm 
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Added two mids who both win their own footy which was obviously an area where the club lacked depth. Lots of options now, certainly inexperienced/maybe injury prone but there is hope there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Was discussing our trading relationship with the crows with a mate who barracks for them and we wondered how long it could continue. Then I realised we only have 1 south aussie left on the list. Maybe we’re reaching an end point. Or maybe we’ll have our turn raiding them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Two first round mids + former first round mid + McGovern + Fasolo + Newman.

Seems like good going.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:38 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Two first round mids + former first round mid + McGovern + Fasolo + Newman.

Seems like good going.


I think this trade/draft period has been a resounding success so far. It's looking like not getting Shiel could be a blessing in disguise. Now they just need a mature age mid or two and possibly a small defensive forward in the preseason/rookie draft to top the list off nicely.

We have gone from the leat talented list in the AFL 4 years ago, to up there with one of the most talented IMHO.

Well done SOS and Carlton. :clap:

Over to you Russell and Bolts.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:09 pm 
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Last 5 drafts Top Picks (all under pick 30, majority under 15)

2014
Marchbank
Pickett

2015
Weitering
McKay
Curnow
Kennedy
Cunningham

2016
Setterfield
SPS
Fisher

(plus decent late picks in Williamson, McCreadie)

2017
Dow
O'Brien

2018
Walsh
Stocker

Plus McGovern, Cripps, Docherty as handy types

Supporters were asking the club to go to the draft, and we have.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:11 pm 
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We've now got 11 months to decide if we want to use that 1st rounder to trade for yet another mid - this time and ready-made player, or go for a key position defender or forward.

It's a very good position to be in. Well done team!

Is Murphy still on our list?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:39 pm 
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I know it's only half way through the draft, but I love what we did tonight (and I'd never seen Stocker play, since he was injured during the under 18 carnival). If we couldn't get Shiel or some class senior support for Cripps, we've done the next best thing, in getting some young and highly talented midfield support.

I liked Stocker's highlights. But even more, I like the idea of Kennedy, Setterfield and Stocker all competing against each other to make their midfield their own (not that they all couldn't conceivably play at the same time, since Setterfield and Stocker look like they're pretty good movers). But that kind of competition has got to be good for the players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:42 am 
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Yes, everyone bar the resident pessimist, is worshipping at the feet of SOS.
Rightly so. Time will tell, as always, but his team found a way of getting one more crack at a first round mid - and getting two rated in the top 10 by the club.
Where the two first round picks finish up next year will provide endless forum fodder and media commentary - who won, who won - but it’s immaterial to a degree.
The club has snared the complete midfielder and another bull, who should see seniors action next year. Great characters and natural leaders. And one of them a year early.
Who can’t be excited by that ... AND Setterfield, McGovern, Newman and the Collingwood goal sneak desperate to turn his career around. Plus the basketball project player, just for interest.
And there’s a bit more fun to be had today and another Silvagni for the pessimists to talk down.
After years and years of recruiting incompetence and predictability, SOS and Co are taking us on one hell of a ride.
How refreshing to see Carlton - the club that ignored the draft for so long and had become an industry joke - to be innovative, using the new rules to, hopefully, its advantage and putting its balls on the line.
Love it.

Over to you, Bolts ....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:44 am 
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kennyhunter wrote:
Yes, everyone bar the resident pessimist, is worshipping at the feet of SOS.
Rightly so. Time will tell, as always, but his team found a way of getting one more crack at a first round mid - and getting two rated in the top 10 by the club.
Where the two first round picks finish up next year will provide endless forum fodder and media commentary - who won, who won - but it’s immaterial to a degree.
The club has snared the complete midfielder and another bull, who should see seniors action next year. Great characters and natural leaders. And one of them a year early.
Who can’t be excited by that ... AND Setterfield, McGovern, Newman and the Collingwood goal sneak desperate to turn his career around. Plus the basketball project player, just for interest.
And there’s a bit more fun to be had today and another Silvagni for the pessimists to talk down.
After years and years of recruiting incompetence and predictability, SOS and Co are taking us on one hell of a ride.
How refreshing to see Carlton - the club that ignored the draft for so long and had become an industry joke - to be innovative, using the new rules to, hopefully, its advantage and putting its balls on the line.
Love it.

Over to you, Bolts ....


well said


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:49 am 
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may be dumb question but what does the pick 19 move mean for list numbers? Is there still a chance of more delistings to bring an additional new player, does it mean the last pick won't be used or does it reduce the number of rookie listed players in the list in 2019?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:54 am 
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Blue Monday wrote:
may be dumb question but what does the pick 19 move mean for list numbers? Is there still a chance of more delistings to bring an additional new player, does it mean the last pick won't be used or does it reduce the number of rookie listed players in the list in 2019?


Was thinking the same thing.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:08 am 
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Kenny great post - agree entirely -it is also interesting to note that SOS with Graham Wright have lead the charge over a number of years -seeing first hand US draft system - so SOS has good handle as anyone on the machinations of these draft trends

This is just one example hopefully of the club being innovative and leading the industry like it did in the past


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:34 am 
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So the worst possible outcome would be we've traded next year's pick 1 for Stocker and next year's pick 18.

The best possible outcome is we've just traded next year's pick 18 for Stocker and next year's pick 1.

Most likely outcome is that we've traded next year's pick 8 for Stocker and next year's pick 10.

I'm happy. :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:08 am 
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Stocker looks pretty much like a Dow type of mid. Burst speed, agility, good disposer.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:22 pm 
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GWS wrote:
So the worst possible outcome would be we've traded next year's pick 1 for Stocker and next year's pick 18.

The best possible outcome is we've just traded next year's pick 18 for Stocker and next year's pick 1.

Most likely outcome is that we've traded next year's pick 8 for Stocker and next year's pick 10.

I'm happy. :smile:


I reckon it depends on how Stocker pans out.

In principal I agree with you though, I think it's worth a shot.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
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Rexy wrote:
Stocker looks pretty much like a Dow type of mid. Burst speed, agility, good disposer.


Yes. But bigger bodied. I think compared to our other drafted mids could be impacting games in twelve months after two preseasons. If we can get 6-7 wins next year look out in 2020.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:23 pm 
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Okay now what? Any spots left on the list? How many rookie spots need filling ?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:29 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Okay now what? Any spots left on the list? How many rookie spots need filling ?

Regards Cazzesman

Our senior list is full and SOS was on radio earlier and said we will use 2 picks in the rookie draft later today.
We will leave one spot for next year's mid-season rookie draft.
He said he thinks both players should still be available at our picks. I guess with pick 1 he means our next pick we should get who we want.


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