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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:19 pm 
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What possible tactics should be used with 6 6 6 and new kickout rules ?

Will coaches go ultra defensive and put wingers on the back of the square at ball ups? Will doing that give away an outnumber at the center bounce?

Is the press going to be harder to implement and will marking power come right back in vogue?

Can we pinch a few games early amongst all the chaos?

I am thinking there will be more clean center clearances but more congestion in front of the ball.

It is going to be interesting. I will be watching hawthorn with interest as i regard Clarkson a great tactician when it come to manipulating space.


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Time for Pagan's paddock again or a version of it.
I would have someone like Charlie no further away from goals than the attacking side of the centre square. I would then position Pickett or Fisher or someone similar on the wings. When we get the footy they run like hell for the goal square with Charlie doing the same. We should get a three on two or three on one out of it.
Such a tactic will also force the opposition defence to keep someone deep.
The flaw in it is that the opposition would probably have extra men inside their 50.

The centre bounces with the 6-6-6 will mean tap rucks will rule. Anybody who can give their mids clean possession, especially someone in space will be a match winner. Unfortunately we don't have one.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Time for Pagan's paddock again or a version of it.
I would have someone like Charlie no further away from goals than the attacking side of the centre square. I would then position Pickett or Fisher or someone similar on the wings. When we get the footy they run like hell for the goal square with Charlie doing the same. We should get a three on two or three on one out of it.
Such a tactic will also force the opposition defence to keep someone deep.
The flaw in it is that the opposition would probably have extra men inside their 50.

The centre bounces with the 6-6-6 will mean tap rucks will rule. Anybody who can give their mids clean possession, especially someone in space will be a match winner. Unfortunately we don't have one.


I go with BS. That we have Harry, Charlie, and now Mitch up front for one on one marking plus throwing CRIPPS there for a rest every now and again will be to our advantage. Plus having Marchbank, Docherty, Weitering to an extent as safe marks in the backline and we are set up nicely.



It will be up to our ruck and mids to nullify the opposition and that is the big .... :yikes:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm 
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Speed is key... as are player with a huge tank (both would be amazing)

I feel Fisher will be a gem for us on the outside, I see him kicking a lot of goals for us due to him running hard towards goal

I cant wait to see what this throws up though.. bring on footy season


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The coaches that fought against the rule changes built their lists for contested footy, the very thing the AFL is trying to minimise. Because of that, the last fewpremiers have managed to beat the contested footy teams at a canter,
Richmond and the Dogs were both free flowing teams that wanted to keep the ball outo f the congestion. Dogs did it by handball and the Tigers do it by playing speedsters in front of the footy.
Sydney, Freo, Geelong rely on stoppages. They are in trouble.

We have a young, fairly lightly built team of which quite a few have pace and now we have a few with a decent hoof. I think we might surprise a few teams if we get it right but as I indicated above, I think the ruck is our issue. Look at the current crop of mobile rucks who put the ball away from the contest to a runner. Kreuzer puts the ball at his own feet most the time. Phillips is better and now more mobile but is always injured, Lobbe is serviceable but past it. I hope TDK is what we need. he has the makings. If the fitness staff build his body for endurance and he can learn to tap the footy, we are on the way.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:44 am 
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While I agree with both GM and BS I can't help but re-emphasise in this new era the importance of one on one marking and we are going to be really well off.


IMHO of course.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:28 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
While I agree with both GM and BS I can't help but re-emphasise in this new era the importance of one on one marking and we are going to be really well off.


IMHO of course.


But in the history of the whole sport; notwithstanding the new rule. One on one and in general contested marking has never been less important. The numbers have plummeted.
I doubt this rule is going to turn it back to 80's style football, I really wish they had bought in the T.A.C cup rules then we might have seen some benefit.

So we have these excellent key forwards; we all agree.. a real strength. O.k how do we utilize our greatest assets. 35 poor quality entries a game isn't going to help anyone.
Getting the ball down there fast before they are outnumbered and neutralized would make sense for starters.
These guys are good enough to beat two men in the air but not 4, you've got 10-20 seconds to get the ball inside 50.
Slow uncontested Possession game coming out of defense then kicking to Curnow/McKay/Kreuzer wide on the wing just doesn't cut it, it's not fooling anyone lol and it easy to play against.

So how would we do this best? How do we f### up these ar##hole soccer/basketball tactics that these pr### coaches have ruined the sport with.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:22 pm 
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I have a tactic
You have just kicked a goal in the final minute to put you 2 points up.
You are losing the centre clearances by 3 to 1
The 6 6 6 puts the opposition with best chance of scoring particularly as the centre clearances are so one sided.
So you get your full forward to step out the square.
Then your entire forward line bolts into defense to fill the space.
By the time the ump conveys the message to the central umpire you have already flooded the defensive 50



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:34 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I have a tactic
You have just kicked a goal in the final minute to put you 2 points up.
You are losing the centre clearances by 3 to 1
The 6 6 6 puts the opposition with best chance of scoring particularly as the centre clearances are so one sided.
So you get your full forward to step out the square.
Then your entire forward line bolts into defense to fill the space.
By the time the ump conveys the message to the central umpire you have already flooded the defensive 50



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Against Carlton, they’ll award the free kick at the goal square!

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Sydney Blue wrote:
I have a tactic
You have just kicked a goal in the final minute to put you 2 points up.
You are losing the centre clearances by 3 to 1
The 6 6 6 puts the opposition with best chance of scoring particularly as the centre clearances are so one sided.
So you get your full forward to step out the square.
Then your entire forward line bolts into defense to fill the space.
By the time the ump conveys the message to the central umpire you have already flooded the defensive 50



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Interesting concept and one that will no doubt be tried.
The professional free kick has been long frowned upon so I imagine that after the first couple of tries they will 're-interpret' the rule like they did after the first couple of times someone from Richmond stepped back to create a deliberate behind.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:51 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I have a tactic
You have just kicked a goal in the final minute to put you 2 points up.
You are losing the centre clearances by 3 to 1
The 6 6 6 puts the opposition with best chance of scoring particularly as the centre clearances are so one sided.
So you get your full forward to step out the square.
Then your entire forward line bolts into defense to fill the space.
By the time the ump conveys the message to the central umpire you have already flooded the defensive 50



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A great point you make that helps illustrate that no matter what they do and how much they tinker with rules. It simply will not work because coaches and players simply won't play within the rules.
That is the key failing in this sport and why it's farcical at times. It's a cultural problem and I'm not sure anyone understands the long term consequences of allowing this.

Of course the game needs to be stripped back; the AFL themselves understand it is too regulated, however you would never have needed all those rule changes if everyone was on the same page and playing within the rules (or spirit of the game if you will for a better term) and there were consequences for stepping outside of those things.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:46 am 
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has it ever been played in the s[spirit of the game?

what era played in the spirit of the game?

Really what has changed is the professionalism - but all along everyone has tried to find a way to win...and once upon a time we were really good at it...now I'd suggest hawthorn are the best at it and in the last 20 odd years we are the worst.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:54 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
While I agree with both GM and BS I can't help but re-emphasise in this new era the importance of one on one marking and we are going to be really well off.


IMHO of course.


It might turn out that center clearances are cleaner but with 6 defenders and forwards inside 50 the congestion might be too much for even the best pack markers.
I doubt defenders will chase fowards fleeing to the flanks to create space.
Get some specialist deadeye's that kick goals from the boundary between 35 -50 out and the game will open right up.

How will teams defend kickouts? Will they just give up and wait further down the ground like in basketball?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 am 
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club29 wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
While I agree with both GM and BS I can't help but re-emphasise in this new era the importance of one on one marking and we are going to be really well off.


IMHO of course.


It might turn out that center clearances are cleaner but with 6 defenders and forwards inside 50 the congestion might be too much for even the best pack markers.
I doubt defenders will chase fowards fleeing to the flanks to create space.
Get some specialist deadeye's that kick goals from the boundary between 35 -50 out and the game will open right up.

How will teams defend kickouts? Will they just give up and wait further down the ground like in basketball?


Charlie and Harry both fit in that criteria.

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dannyboy wrote:
has it ever been played in the s[spirit of the game?

what era played in the spirit of the game?

Really what has changed is the professionalism - but all along everyone has tried to find a way to win...and once upon a time we were really good at it...now I'd suggest hawthorn are the best at it and in the last 20 odd years we are the worst.



The game reflects the change in culture and values, and the decline in them is what I'm saying...you've addressed a slightly different issue, one example of my point would be the level of staging and drawing free kicks. Not saying it didn't happen in the 70's 80's but if it did it was rare and frowned upon. Now modern day we accept it as part of the game. A few types like myself might get upset when a Rance for example jumps forward in a contest clearly staging and shown beyond dispute on replays, but by and large he gets away with it.
They bought in a rule for this so the AFL know there is a problem...so why do they do nothing?
But here is the thing with the AFL, would they create a precedent with a Rance or a no name player?
They could have gone a long way to fixing this last year by making an example of Rance and suspending him for 3 weeks under the staging rule. Then all of a sudden I guarantee the other players sit up and say Jeez #### I better not do that anymore
What Rance and others questionable actions do, which are becoming more and more frequent, are destroying not only the integrity of the sport; but the spectacle itself.


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or too much coverage/replays ruins it. There have always been stagers - blocks dropping as they'd been hit with a brick wall then bouncing back up to take the free, players have always sought to take advantage...spirit of the game is a wonderful colonial idea.

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The KP marking contested forwards will be a huge advantage with teams who have the dominant centre breaks. Hopefully the key forwards will become relevant again. The forwards can setup to stop the 3rd man up. Don’t be surprised if teams have century goal kickers once more. This should suit us.

On the downside, we need our KP defenders to become more man on man and accountable. I feel we have been developed to play the zone. Marchbank and Weitering inparticular will need to be reconditioned. Coaches get to it!!!

The interest will be how teams setup in the midfield. Will they be more accountable? Will we see more head to head setups? This is the unknown and will be curious to see some tactics. I feel our midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Curnow & Settles in particular can go head to head.......


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The KP marking contested forwards will be a huge advantage with teams who have the dominant centre breaks. Hopefully the key forwards will become relevant again. The forwards can setup to stop the 3rd man up. Don’t be surprised if teams have century goal kickers once more. This should suit us.

On the downside, we need our KP defenders to become more man on man and accountable. I feel we have been developed to play the zone. Marchbank and Weitering inparticular will need to be reconditioned. Coaches get to it!!!

The interest will be how teams setup in the midfield. Will they be more accountable? Will we see more head to head setups? This is the unknown and will be curious to see some tactics. I feel our midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Curnow & Settles in particular can go head to head.......


I think those teams with rucks that can put the ball away from the congestion will create havoc as their mids just pump the ball straight into the F50.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The KP marking contested forwards will be a huge advantage with teams who have the dominant centre breaks. Hopefully the key forwards will become relevant again. The forwards can setup to stop the 3rd man up. Don’t be surprised if teams have century goal kickers once more. This should suit us.

On the downside, we need our KP defenders to become more man on man and accountable. I feel we have been developed to play the zone. Marchbank and Weitering inparticular will need to be reconditioned. Coaches get to it!!!

The interest will be how teams setup in the midfield. Will they be more accountable? Will we see more head to head setups? This is the unknown and will be curious to see some tactics. I feel our midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Curnow & Settles in particular can go head to head.......


I think those teams with rucks that can put the ball away from the congestion will create havoc as their mids just pump the ball straight into the F50.


Agree BS. Our rucks and setups have some work to do.


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