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 Post subject: Post 1995 best 22
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:03 pm 
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I was just working through an exercise of putting together our best 22 recruited post our last premiership. In doing the exercise I left out players from the last 2 years on the basis of lack of longevity, although I included Corey McKernan based on only 2 years given his B&F/leading goalkicker double in his first year at the club. I only considered the players career at Carlton, so for example Sam Jacobs was overlooked. I also went with the single ruckman with a forward who could ruck as back-up. If picking a second specialist ruck I would have gone Barnaby French who is really the only other ruckman to have established himself in the team for any length of time.

This is what I came up with:

Kade Simpson Michael Jamison Bret Thornton
Sam Docherty Jarrad Waite Heath Scotland
Nick Stevens Patrick Cripps Ryan Houlihan
Bryce Gibbs Lance Whitnall Charlie Curnow
Corey McKernan Brendan Fevola Eddie Betts
Matthew Kreuzer Chris Judd Mark Murphy
Andrew Carrazzo Lachie Henderson Matthew Lappin Andrew Walker

Notably there is not one player there recruited to the club as a key backman in the National Draft (Jamison and Thornton being rookied). But frankly the cupboard was bare. Given that Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank were in the draft year before last and so excluded, this is the list of others recruited as primarily key backs:

Ben Sexton, Stephen O'Reilly, Luke Livingston, Mick Martyn, Kris Massie, Jason Sadington, Murray Vance, Karl Norman, Paul Bower, Mark Austin, Matthew Watson, and Patrick McCarthy. Not much there!


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:28 pm 
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I was just working through an exercise of putting together our best 22 recruited post our last premiership. In doing the exercise I left out players from the last 2 years on the basis of lack of longevity, although I included Corey McKernan based on only 2 years given his B&F/leading goalkicker double in his first year at the club. I only considered the players career at Carlton, so for example Sam Jacobs was overlooked. I also went with the single ruckman with a forward who could ruck as back-up. If picking a second specialist ruck I would have gone Barnaby French who is really the only other ruckman to have established himself in the team for any length of time.

This is what I came up with:

Kade Simpson Michael Jamison Bret Thornton
Sam Docherty Jarrad Waite Heath Scotland
Nick Stevens Patrick Cripps Ryan Houlihan
Bryce Gibbs Lance Whitnall Charlie Curnow
Corey McKernan Brendan Fevola Eddie Betts
Matthew Kreuzer Chris Judd Mark Murphy
Andrew Carrazzo Lachie Henderson Matthew Lappin Andrew Walker

Notably there is not one player there recruited to the club as a key backman in the National Draft (Jamison and Thornton being rookied). But frankly the cupboard was bare. Given that Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank were in the draft year before last and so excluded, this is the list of others recruited as primarily key backs:

Ben Sexton, Stephen O'Reilly, Luke Livingston, Mick Martyn, Kris Massie, Jason Sadington, Murray Vance, Karl Norman, Paul Bower, Mark Austin, Matthew Watson, and Patrick McCarthy. Not much there!


Some very talented players in that team. A shame the culture was so poor otherwise that team looks capable of a flag.


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:43 pm 
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I'm hopeless at these lists but I would definitely have Tuohy in for Thornton (and then swapping positions with Scotland). Move Walker into the forward pocket in place of McKernan and give his spot on the bench to Ed Curnow or Yarran.


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Matthew Allan was a pretty fair ruckman at his best. That far in front of Bananarby it's not funny... better than Kreuzer too IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Matthew Allan was a pretty fair ruckman at his best. That far in front of Bananarby it's not funny... better than Kreuzer too IMO.


I love Big Kreuz but I agree. Matt Allan has easily been our best ruck over the past 20 odd years.


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Allan was recruited pre 95 though wasn't he?

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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No love for Callan Beasy?

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Yes, Allan starred in 1994 while Harry must have been injured a lot or just waiting for his 95 renaissance. Memory's foggy.

Allan had to wait for Harry to fade again after 95. Was great in 2000.

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Thornton? frightening

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Wiggo as emergency, just coz.

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Who would be the coach? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Many have asked that question over the years. :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Backs 1. Jack Silvagni 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Half-backs 38. Ciaran Byrne 22. Caleb Marchbank 6. Kade Simpson
Centreline 3. Marc Murphy (C) 9. Patrick Cripps 4. Lochie O'Brien
Half-forwards 33. Jarrod Pickett 30. Charlie Curnow 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Forwards 16. Darcy Lang 10. Harry McKay 29. Cameron Polson
Followers 27. Matthew Lobbe 35. Ed Curnow 2. Paddy Dow
Interchange 7. Matthew Kennedy 13. Jed Lamb 46. Matthew Wright
17. Sam Rowe

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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For what it is worth -Carltons All-Australian players post 95 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Australian_team)

1996-Silvagni, Sexton
1997-SIlvagni, Sexton, Bradley
1999-Silvagni, McKay, Allan
2000-McKay, Ratten, Camporeale,
2004-Lappin
2006-Fevola
2008-Fevola, Judd
2009-Fevola, Judd
2010-Judd
2011-Murphy, Judd
2017-Docherty


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Ethos wrote:
For what it is worth -Carltons All-Australian players post 95 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Australian_team)

1996-Silvagni, Sexton
1997-SIlvagni, Sexton, Bradley
1999-Silvagni, McKay, Allan
2000-McKay, Ratten, Camporeale,
2004-Lappin
2006-Fevola
2008-Fevola, Judd
2009-Fevola, Judd
2010-Judd
2011-Murphy, Judd
2017-Docherty



Was just thinking the same things:

http://www.blueseum.org/All+Australian

Gibbs never an AA....?

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:20 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
I'm hopeless at these lists but I would definitely have Tuohy in for Thornton (and then swapping positions with Scotland). Move Walker into the forward pocket in place of McKernan and give his spot on the bench to Ed Curnow or Yarran.


I tried to pick a "TEAM" as opposed to the best 22 players and then find them spots. Hence Thornton - who I think is harshly treated generally - as a KPD rather than a smaller defender. Likewise McKernan provides ruck relief the side would not have if he gets replaced by anyone other than a ruck or KP/ruck type.

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The_Cranium wrote:
Matthew Allan was a pretty fair ruckman at his best. That far in front of Bananarby it's not funny... better than Kreuzer too IMO.


I love Big Kreuz but I agree. Matt Allan has easily been our best ruck over the past 20 odd years.


Agree entirely, but the parameter I set was they had to be recruited since '95, ie not have been around when we last tasted premiership success. Matty debuted in '94. Same criteria knocks out all the AAs before Matty Lappin.

What I took away from the exercise more than anything was how poor rucks and key defenders have been in that period.


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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Chitty's Finger wrote:
Ethos wrote:
For what it is worth -Carltons All-Australian players post 95 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Australian_team)

1996-Silvagni, Sexton
1997-SIlvagni, Sexton, Bradley
1999-Silvagni, McKay, Allan
2000-McKay, Ratten, Camporeale,
2004-Lappin
2006-Fevola
2008-Fevola, Judd
2009-Fevola, Judd
2010-Judd
2011-Murphy, Judd
2017-Docherty



Was just thinking the same things:

http://www.blueseum.org/All+Australian

Gibbs never an AA....?



tough for Gibbs with certain names pencilled in before a ball is bounced. the Selwoods, Martin's, Danger etc on reputation.

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Ethos wrote:
For what it is worth -Carltons All-Australian players post 95 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Australian_team)

1996-Silvagni, Sexton
1997-SIlvagni, Sexton, Bradley
1999-Silvagni, McKay, Allan
2000-McKay, Ratten, Camporeale,
2004-Lappin
2006-Fevola
2008-Fevola, Judd
2009-Fevola, Judd
2010-Judd
2011-Murphy, Judd
2017-Docherty



Bloody hell... Kouta wasn't all Australian in 2000??? How the @#$%&! was that possible?

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 Post subject: Re: Post 1995 best 22
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Respect the original parameters in your work ianh, and your posts more generally, but if you exclude people on the list in 1995 but not yet coming through as players you are excluding Allan who had a brilliant 1999, and to some extent Beaumont who whilst maligned by some played 150 games and some of those were very good.

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