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Yeah well I got news for you. Murphy IS our captain! He's served the club well through our darkest years and could of went elsewhere over the journey. Did we give him the captaincy to keep him at Carlton? Probably if truth be told. And I wouldn't doubt for a moment we'd give Cripps the captaincy to keep him too. But until then Murphy is captain and that's the facts! :razz:

Add Lange
Kerridge
Lamb
As well
There is a few going around a t Northern that arnt on the senior list
That are better than those blokes mentioned

Interesting if any are picked up in November

sinbagger wrote:

I think it’s much worse than this, I’m worried the club will soon cease to exist. We are irrelevant to the competition in almost every way I imaginable.

Except TV rights.

I got this from a very reliable source. We have all heard about the issues on the Adelaide camp where players were blind folded and made to listen to the Richmond song
Players were asked to tell home truths and phones were taken away.
Well when we went to the Gold coast it was far worse.
Players were blind folded whilst Bolton sang Kumbiah and Ging gang guly as well as found a peanut.
All the players had their hair dryers taken off them and nail polish and waxing wasn't allowed.
Boy did this not go down well

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camelboy wrote:

sinbagger wrote:

I think it’s much worse than this, I’m worried the club will soon cease to exist. We are irrelevant to the competition in almost every way I imaginable.

Except TV rights.

Any team can make up the numbers, Tasmania for instance. We are irrelevant

Lot of talk about the captaincy again.

Well let me say that whilst playing on field the past couple seasons I've found Murphy to be both thoughtful and very supportive whilst at the same time the way Cripps goes about it is downright inspiring.

Oh no ... wait a moment. I don't actually play for the Blues and have never been on field with Murphy.

Ok then, well what about the team meetings? Oh yes. Both lads speak well and deliver appropriate messages.

Whoops ... I've done it again. I've never actually been in a Carlton team meeting.

Well then, what about all those player social occasions? Yeah Murph's good. Really makes sure everyone feels welcome and included and ... oh dear I've done it again. I don't actually attend player social occasions.

So you know what? I wouldn't have a f*cken clue who the best captain would be and for all those intent on slagging off the bloke whose been doing the, (difficult), job for past six years or so perhaps you might like to consider if you're in the same boat.

Paddycripps wrote:

At the risk of coming across as a nervous nellie I've got to say I'm more than a little concerned over a few looming decisions.

1. Captaincy: With Cripps holding off signing on and Murphy putting in less than inspiring leadership from both a physical strength and on field body language intent perspective, and this concern is further reinforced after hearing Murphy talk about how he wants to keep leading this side, I worry Carlton might make the monumental error of not appointing Cripps captain, which IMO should happen very soon. I've been a Blues fan for many a decade and Cripps is as good a leader as I've ever seen. Making him captain is a dead set no brainer. The club should be offering him captaincy NOW. If they don't and he leaves then that'll be a complete disaster.

2. Trading Pick 1 for a number of inferior picks : lots of talk about maybe doing this, as there's a perception we lack depth so need as many picks as we can get. I don't mind trading 1 if we still get a high pick, IMO given the talent in this draft we must have a pick in the top half dozen. If we trade 1 for something outside that range, such as 8, I worry that pick might not get us a topline talent, which IMO is our no. 1 need. While I know there's no guarantee in the draft it nonetheless stands to reason the higher the pick the more chance you have of striking gold and IMO the top six this year are all striking talents (the two SA lads, the two Kings, Walsh and Smith) . If we forfeit the opportunity to get a topline talent it'll be another disaster. Regardless of injuries we are bottom with one win, we clearly need top end talent not B Graders.

3. Trading pick 1 for Shiel : he's a seriously good player and we need his type especially as he is a mid but IMO he is on the wrong side of 25 for our needs. I don't think we should be trading the only trump card we have for a player who potentially only has 5 years left. I'd rather a 23-24 year old high end mid than a 26 year old high end mid which Shiel will be next year. We are a long way off true success. We got Judd when he was 23-24 and he didn't bring us home the bacon though I know he tried. Let's not make the same mistake again with our only off season trump card. (Disclaimer : if the AFL wake up and give us pick 2 as a PP then by all means hand that over for Shiel).

The next 3-6 months loom as very very important for the club and I hope wise heads make good decisions. But I'm worried TBH.

Yes Roosy and co traded pick 2 (Josh Kelly) for pick 9 (Salem) and Tyson.

Bookie wrote:

We are the worst team by 10 goals, and yet people think we have injuries, aside of Doc the rest would barely make any other AFL side and maybe not on merit some senior WAFL, VFL or SANFL sides.

Right.
Williamson, Plowman, Lang, Wright, Macreadie, Weitering, Cuningham, Byrne , Phillips, Silvagni, Kreuzer etc would barely make some VFL, WAFL or SANFL sides.
We may as well shut this site down. The @#$%&! loonys have taken control. :lol:

Losing makes people @#$%&! stupid!!!!!

No issue with our drafting, that's been very good.

jim wrote:

No issue with our drafting, that's been very good.

https://twitter.com/tommycasha/status/1 ... 0362059776

Effes wrote:

jim wrote:

No issue with our drafting, that's been very good.

https://twitter.com/tommycasha/status/1 ... 0362059776

be interesting to see a comparison of who we could've drafted instead of those players

Author:	idle [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Alarm Bells
Yeah well I got news for you. Murphy IS our captain! He's served the club well through our darkest years and could of went elsewhere over the journey. Did we give him the captaincy to keep him at Carlton? Probably if truth be told. And I wouldn't doubt for a moment we'd give Cripps the captaincy to keep him too. But until then Murphy is captain and that's the facts!

Author:	Heavs [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:54 pm ]
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I can't even.

Author:	99prelim [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:01 pm ]
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idle wrote: Yeah well I got news for you. Murphy IS our captain! He's served the club well through our darkest years and could of went elsewhere over the journey. Did we give him the captaincy to keep him at Carlton? Probably if truth be told. And I wouldn't doubt for a moment we'd give Cripps the captaincy to keep him too. But until then Murphy is captain and that's the facts! Exactly...in 'fact' only All the other 'intangibles' that define leadership point to Cripps

Author:	Sidefx [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:51 pm ]
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If captaincy was based on hardness, inspiring acts, players running 100m to congratulate them and what ever else everyone brings up. Then why isn't Dusty the captain for the Tigers? Here's a thought, just maybe captains keep teams balanced and inspire them through leadership, direction and cohesion. All of which, none have to be of a physical nature. Not saying Murphy should remain captain, but maybe he is respected by the team a lot more then we the public know, like Cotchin is. You've go to be pretty naive to think the players don't have a say in who the captain of the club should be. They might not have the final decision but if they don't relate or respect him then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the captain.

Author:	ColourMan [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:30 am ]
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keogh wrote: Add Lange Kerridge Lamb As well There is a few going around a t Northern that arnt on the senior list That are better than those blokes mentioned Interesting if any are picked up in November Add Smedts Gorringe Palmer

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Author:	sinbagger [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:48 am ]
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camelboy wrote: sinbagger wrote: I think it’s much worse than this, I’m worried the club will soon cease to exist. We are irrelevant to the competition in almost every way I imaginable. Except TV rights. Any team can make up the numbers, Tasmania for instance. We are irrelevant

Author:	bender [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:45 am ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: I got this from a very reliable source. We have all heard about the issues on the Adelaide camp where players were blind folded and made to listen to the Richmond song Players were asked to tell home truths and phones were taken away. Well when we went to the Gold coast it was far worse. Players were blind folded whilst Bolton sang Kumbiah and Ging gang guly as well as found a peanut. All the players had their hair dryers taken off them and nail polish and waxing wasn't allowed. Boy did this not go down well Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk i love you SB, i can now actually see BB sing found a peanut

Author:	verbs [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:50 am ]
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sinbagger wrote: camelboy wrote: sinbagger wrote: I think it’s much worse than this, I’m worried the club will soon cease to exist. We are irrelevant to the competition in almost every way I imaginable. Except TV rights. Any team can make up the numbers, Tasmania for instance. We are irrelevant A Tasmanian team would be a disaster.

Author:	murraycray [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am ]
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Best choice for Captain ? IMO it has to be Cripps. No disrespect to Docherty who would do the job very well. But, we don't know yet if his knee will be 100%.

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:14 am ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: I got this from a very reliable source. We have all heard about the issues on the Adelaide camp where players were blind folded and made to listen to the Richmond song Players were asked to tell home truths and phones were taken away. Well when we went to the Gold coast it was far worse. Players were blind folded whilst Bolton sang Kumbiah and Ging gang guly as well as found a peanut. All the players had their hair dryers taken off them and nail polish and waxing wasn't allowed. Boy did this not go down well Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk Not that I don’t believe your story but let me get this right, we have changed over 40 players in the last 3 years and have the same problems as the previous group?

Author:	BigKev [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Alarm Bells
Lot of talk about the captaincy again. Well let me say that whilst playing on field the past couple seasons I've found Murphy to be both thoughtful and very supportive whilst at the same time the way Cripps goes about it is downright inspiring. Oh no ... wait a moment. I don't actually play for the Blues and have never been on field with Murphy. Ok then, well what about the team meetings? Oh yes. Both lads speak well and deliver appropriate messages. Whoops ... I've done it again. I've never actually been in a Carlton team meeting. Well then, what about all those player social occasions? Yeah Murph's good. Really makes sure everyone feels welcome and included and ... oh dear I've done it again. I don't actually attend player social occasions. So you know what? I wouldn't have a f*cken clue who the best captain would be and for all those intent on slagging off the bloke whose been doing the, (difficult), job for past six years or so perhaps you might like to consider if you're in the same boat.

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:32 pm ]
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Author:	smithy [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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BigKev wrote: Lot of talk about the captaincy again. Well let me say that whilst playing on field the past couple seasons I've found Murphy to be both thoughtful and very supportive whilst at the same time the way Cripps goes about it is downright inspiring. Oh no ... wait a moment. I don't actually play for the Blues and have never been on field with Murphy. Ok then, well what about the team meetings? Oh yes. Both lads speak well and deliver appropriate messages. Whoops ... I've done it again. I've never actually been in a Carlton team meeting. Well then, what about all those player social occasions? Yeah Murph's good. Really makes sure everyone feels welcome and included and ... oh dear I've done it again. I don't actually attend player social occasions. So you know what? I wouldn't have a f*cken clue who the best captain would be and for all those intent on slagging off the bloke whose been doing the, (difficult), job for past six years or so perhaps you might like to consider if you're in the same boat. This is a bit of a cop out, all you are doing is presenting an appeal to authority.

Author:	jim [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:22 pm ]
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Effes wrote: Paddycripps wrote: At the risk of coming across as a nervous nellie I've got to say I'm more than a little concerned over a few looming decisions. 1. Captaincy: With Cripps holding off signing on and Murphy putting in less than inspiring leadership from both a physical strength and on field body language intent perspective, and this concern is further reinforced after hearing Murphy talk about how he wants to keep leading this side, I worry Carlton might make the monumental error of not appointing Cripps captain, which IMO should happen very soon. I've been a Blues fan for many a decade and Cripps is as good a leader as I've ever seen. Making him captain is a dead set no brainer. The club should be offering him captaincy NOW. If they don't and he leaves then that'll be a complete disaster. 2. Trading Pick 1 for a number of inferior picks : lots of talk about maybe doing this, as there's a perception we lack depth so need as many picks as we can get. I don't mind trading 1 if we still get a high pick, IMO given the talent in this draft we must have a pick in the top half dozen. If we trade 1 for something outside that range, such as 8, I worry that pick might not get us a topline talent, which IMO is our no. 1 need. While I know there's no guarantee in the draft it nonetheless stands to reason the higher the pick the more chance you have of striking gold and IMO the top six this year are all striking talents (the two SA lads, the two Kings, Walsh and Smith) . If we forfeit the opportunity to get a topline talent it'll be another disaster. Regardless of injuries we are bottom with one win, we clearly need top end talent not B Graders. 3. Trading pick 1 for Shiel : he's a seriously good player and we need his type especially as he is a mid but IMO he is on the wrong side of 25 for our needs. I don't think we should be trading the only trump card we have for a player who potentially only has 5 years left. I'd rather a 23-24 year old high end mid than a 26 year old high end mid which Shiel will be next year. We are a long way off true success. We got Judd when he was 23-24 and he didn't bring us home the bacon though I know he tried. Let's not make the same mistake again with our only off season trump card. (Disclaimer : if the AFL wake up and give us pick 2 as a PP then by all means hand that over for Shiel). The next 3-6 months loom as very very important for the club and I hope wise heads make good decisions. But I'm worried TBH. Yes Roosy and co traded pick 2 (Josh Kelly) for pick 9 (Salem) and Tyson. That's up to the recruiting staff pick well. You get terrific players with pick 9, or you should. Our two best players are picks 12 and 13.

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Author:	Blues Clues [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:40 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote: Bookie wrote: We are the worst team by 10 goals, and yet people think we have injuries, aside of Doc the rest would barely make any other AFL side and maybe not on merit some senior WAFL, VFL or SANFL sides. Right. Williamson, Plowman, Lang, Wright, Macreadie, Weitering, Cuningham, Byrne , Phillips, Silvagni, Kreuzer etc would barely make some VFL, WAFL or SANFL sides. We may as well shut this site down. The @#$%&! loonys have taken control. Losing makes people @#$%&! stupid!!!!! Exactly BV, adult posters always appreciated.

Author:	jim [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:43 pm ]
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No issue with our drafting, that's been very good. What SOS has been good at too is manipulating picks into better picks then using them well on Draft night. Trading, a bit up and down. Way too many delisted free agents. Only one that has done any good is Wright. Also what's clogged our list, beside the delisted free agents, all the steak knives we've got from GWS so we can get our targeted player cheap. You learn quantity does not equal quality. The targeted players haven't haven't been bad. Plowman, Marchbank and Kennedy have/will be ok. Pickett and Phillips have been decent "extras" but the rest are shit. Kennedy and Lang will be good players for us when they have better fitness. Geelong supporters were pissed off losing Lang. We have good players on our list, mostly young though and still not fully ready. The rest now comes down to the coaching staff to develop them and coach them to their strengths with the right roles. That's a fail. Good players can always look shit if badly coached and developed. Why have players like Weitering, SPS and SOJ go backwards when before they showed plenty?

Author:	Sidefx [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:03 pm ]
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BigKev wrote: Lot of talk about the captaincy again. Well let me say that whilst playing on field the past couple seasons I've found Murphy to be both thoughtful and very supportive whilst at the same time the way Cripps goes about it is downright inspiring. Oh no ... wait a moment. I don't actually play for the Blues and have never been on field with Murphy. Ok then, well what about the team meetings? Oh yes. Both lads speak well and deliver appropriate messages. Whoops ... I've done it again. I've never actually been in a Carlton team meeting. Well then, what about all those player social occasions? Yeah Murph's good. Really makes sure everyone feels welcome and included and ... oh dear I've done it again. I don't actually attend player social occasions. So you know what? I wouldn't have a f*cken clue who the best captain would be and for all those intent on slagging off the bloke whose been doing the, (difficult), job for past six years or so perhaps you might like to consider if you're in the same boat.

Author:	Effes [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:36 pm ]
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jim wrote: No issue with our drafting, that's been very good. https://twitter.com/tommycasha/status/1 ... 0362059776

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:42 pm ]
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Effes wrote: jim wrote: No issue with our drafting, that's been very good. https://twitter.com/tommycasha/status/1 ... 0362059776 be interesting to see a comparison of who we could've drafted instead of those players

Author:	ColourMan [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:57 pm ]
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Rexy wrote: Effes wrote: jim wrote: No issue with our drafting, that's been very good. https://twitter.com/tommycasha/status/1 ... 0362059776 be interesting to see a comparison of who we could've drafted instead of those players Also be interesting to do that for the last 3 drafts