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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:28 pm 
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Juddy on footy classified seems to be suggesting that they handled the priority pick thing in a hamfisted way and we’re not clear in their public statements on it

Says he understands that Carlton supporters are right to be upset if they conveyed the impression that they wouldn’t apply for a priority pick

Said that directors would act in the best interests of Carlton ie go for priority pick

Says he has no line of sight on where priority pick may be ie start middle or end of first round


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:29 pm 
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Why does friggin Gerald Healy hate Carlton so friggin much???
Just said we deliberately slid down the ladder????
WANKER EXTREME.... I HATE THIS GUY... HE ALWAYS BAGS US!!!!!


Actually, I though Gerard was making some valid points. It needs more than just priority picks, which have failed.

Free agency must be addressed as well as other options.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:45 pm 
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idle wrote:
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tap in 79 wrote:
This writer gets it right. A priority pick at pick 11 is a compromise all could accept, even maybe Geelong’s Gerard Whateley.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl


Love how in the comments section, the highest rated comments are "@#$%&! Carlton, let them die" and "WHY DIDN'T Essendon*** GET ANY HELP, THEY WERE HURT WORST BY PENALTIES!!!". People are great.


Because we live in a Victim Olympics society these days. Essendon** didn't cheat, they were victims of drugs. Whereas Carlton tried to cheat the system, and there is nothing worse on Gods green earth than cheating the system in a socialist society, unless of coarse your in a position of power, then its required behavior. Kind of like how the AFL acts ...


Good summary from Idle above about the stupidity of this system.

Mates rates and we all listen when one of the AFL’s favoured club’s coaches, the Geelong coach goes on AFL 360, and makes a series of stupid comments that even that Russian monkey sent into space could have done better.

1-did you know that the AFL is the only competition that has a salary cap, draft and priority pick. Wow! Ok Yeah. What great info. So are these mechanisms working well together? Priority pick used once in last 10 years or so it is about as useful as fighting a tidalwave with a kid’s bucket... but according to Scotty this is the great danger of our time.

2- his 2nd point was a direct dig at Carlton for “falling down the ladder” and going to the draft. Well, Geelong took Henderson & Tuohy basically for nothing. The reason they went to your club is the likelihood of success. Did you pay market rates for them?

3- so his point is he doesn’t want PPs to Carlton,But then he wants “levers to help the smaller clubs eg North, St Kilda and interstate clubs” presumably Bne and Gold Coast.



So again his prejudices are brought to the fore.




“If we’re really looking at an even competition” says Geelong coach as if that’s his concern the week after he annihilated Fremantle by 120 points.

here’s some suggestions for you hypocrite

1-concede the priority pick (which is really a minor sideshow anyway) not needed if we can do the following:
2-no free agency trades to top 8 clubs at all.
3-no trading of valuable players out of bottom clubs (has been in top 10 of b&f) to top 8 clubs unless they hand over financial compensation and their first round draft pick.
They can have access to Kerridge type players though


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:52 am 
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Gerard Healy is someone I respect on this topic but even he has been hobbled by a spokesman from a club that never needs to bottom out-Geelong’s Scott when he said

“ I think Chris Scott made a very strong point. Some clubs elect to go down the ladder” etc and then the tears start for Gold Coast from Gerard.

Who is on the bottom of the ladder with just 2 wins? Carlton. This confirms they have the worst list, but still the perception is Carlton wanted to get 2 wins in a season.

So this infers they haven’t made a multitude of mistakes even before they “bottomed out”

Eg
Getting Kreuzer instead of Cotchin
Getting Dale Thomas- mistake
Getting Nick Graham and Kerridge- mistakes
These are mistakes and there are many others that contribute to Carlton being down the bottom.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:43 am 
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You couldn't reasonably enforce the idea of being given a pick that *had* to be traded.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:44 am 
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AIRCAV wrote:
TrueQldBlue wrote:
Why does friggin Gerald Healy hate Carlton so friggin much???
Just said we deliberately slid down the ladder????
WANKER EXTREME.... I HATE THIS GUY... HE ALWAYS BAGS US!!!!!


Actually, I though Gerard was making some valid points. It needs more than just priority picks, which have failed.

Free agency must be addressed as well as other options.


Won’t be free agency if they modify it for lower clubs benefit. What’s to say a good club had a bad year (Adelaide), that they then can pickup a star for free under the modified rules?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:27 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Decade prior every team made finals once. All bar one played a minimum three times.

GC, Brisbane and Melbourne yet to play one this decade. Essendon** yet to win one and Saints 7 years out.

Should have brought back the priority pick when two extra franchises brought in, or at least when free agency brought in.


So the facts that Rod Spooky Galt have confirmed here are accurate.

If the AFL wants a competition where Geelong can rort the system to make the finals year after year as they can use trading and free agency to get GOOD players to their club so be it.

If priority picks are "a bridge too far" for the coach of Geelong and the AFL listens to this coach more than others, so be it. You made your bed you better lie in it.



The Geelong coach even said "don't go giving Brisbane a priority pick" ...why not? cause they won 5 or 6 games this year. Is that enough for our mate Scotty to say they are back in business? I would give them a priority pick as well. Brisbane deserve it -especially if all the good trades are only going to the top clubs.



The people who run this comp, all have agendas and they are largely set by people who don't care about the big picture.

Melbourne are going to make the finals this year ONLY cause of AFL assistance. I presume Scotty won't be happy about that either. You know AFL assistance and all. He only wants hidden assistance for clubs which just happen to be Geelong via free agency etc, but not anything to help the bottom clubs. Healy listened to this clown Scott and thought his arguments were valid, it had so many holes in it, it wasn't funny.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:33 pm 
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Brad Scott speaking out against them now

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:36 pm 
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Looks like a concerted effort from other teams to shift the narrative against PP's being handed out.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:14 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
I hope you're wrong dlb99. If that scenario plays out, GC get two of Walsh, Rankine, Lukosius and we go even further behind them.

PLUS, Lynch further improves a current top 4 side.


We are not falling behind Gold Coast.

Gold Coast is simply getting an extra pick for losing Tom Lynch; which is reasonable on their behalf.

I suspect by the end of 2019 we should, if we fix our health/fitness area, be ahead of Gold Coast & St Kilda.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:17 pm 
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Great. This time next year, only 15 teams above us then!

Happy days.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:25 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Looks like a concerted effort from other teams to shift the narrative against PP's being handed out.


Chris Judd is 100% right, all this talk would not occur if the AFL had clear and transparent rules. That would avoid this juvenile club v club drama.

The old Priority Pick was completely broken, it resulted in incentives to tank. Very bad. We do not want to go back to that.

Now the AFL goes too far the other way with this classified discretionary system that itself is open to secret manipulation by the commission and a whole lot of needless media frenzy. Also bad.

Chris and Caro were pretty close to the mark. A priority pick in the middle of the first round (before the final 8 teams) should be given to a team if it finishes in the bottom 8 five years in a row (9th and 10th teams are close to making finals imo). No one will tank in this scenario. Also, if a team finishes in the bottom 8 eight years in a row it should get an extra pick before the first round. Again, no one will tank in this scenario.

I'd also change the free-agency rules. A free-agent from a bottom four club can not go to a top four club unless the top four club itself loses a free-agent (on comparable money) in the same year. So if Richmond wants Tom Lynch on big-money, they need to lose a free-agent on similar big-money in the same year. This should avoid the situation of the top four raiding the bottom four.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:31 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Great. This time next year, only 15 teams above us then!

Happy days.


I expect North Melbourne to dip also. We could also be better than Fremantle who look broken. We are not Fitzroy 1995.

The disaster of this year is very much a by-product of five years ago, we have a big hole in our list between 23-27 years of age (thanks Malthouse regime). If we hold strong, we will mature our own guys into this demographic within a couple years. The core is there already.

Note, I do concede Bolton has had a bad coaching year (he needs to get better) AND our health/fitness department has been a disaster (hopefully reviewed and improved next year).

We also do need to shift our recruiting to midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:37 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Decade prior every team made finals once. All bar one played a minimum three times.

GC, Brisbane and Melbourne yet to play one this decade. Essendon*** yet to win one and Saints 7 years out.

Should have brought back the priority pick when two extra franchises brought in, or at least when free agency brought in.


So the facts that Rod Spooky Galt have confirmed here are accurate.

If the AFL wants a competition where Geelong can rort the system to make the finals year after year as they can use trading and free agency to get GOOD players to their club so be it.

If priority picks are "a bridge too far" for the coach of Geelong and the AFL listens to this coach more than others, so be it. You made your bed you better lie in it.



The Geelong coach even said "don't go giving Brisbane a priority pick" ...why not? cause they won 5 or 6 games this year. Is that enough for our mate Scotty to say they are back in business? I would give them a priority pick as well. Brisbane deserve it -especially if all the good trades are only going to the top clubs.



The people who run this comp, all have agendas and they are largely set by people who don't care about the big picture.

Melbourne are going to make the finals this year ONLY cause of AFL assistance. I presume Scotty won't be happy about that either. You know AFL assistance and all. He only wants hidden assistance for clubs which just happen to be Geelong via free agency etc, but not anything to help the bottom clubs. Healy listened to this clown Scott and thought his arguments were valid, it had so many holes in it, it wasn't funny.


Did he whinge about getting overs for Motlop’s compensation?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Geelong complaining about an uneven playing field .....

As they sit back in their taxpayer built home ground that the AFL then gifts them 9-10 wins a year as well as a river of money . And they want a home final!

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Geelong complaining about an uneven playing field .....

As they sit back in their taxpayer built home ground that the AFL then gifts them 9-10 wins a year as well as a river of money . And they want a home final!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:45 pm 
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TrueQldBlue wrote:
Why does friggin Gerald Healy hate Carlton so friggin much???
Just swid


He doesn't!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:45 pm 
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TrueQldBlue wrote:
Why does friggin Gerald Healy hate Carlton so friggin much???
Just said we deliberately slid down the ladder????
WANKER EXTREME.... I HATE THIS GUY... HE ALWAYS BAGS US!!!!!


He doesn't hate Carlton

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:16 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Decade prior every team made finals once. All bar one played a minimum three times.

GC, Brisbane and Melbourne yet to play one this debrought back theleast when free agency brought in.


So the facts that Rod Spooky Galt have confirmed here are accurate.


If priority picks are "a bridge too far" for the coach of Geelong and the AFL listens to this coach more than others, so be it. You made your bed you better lie in it.



The Geelong coach even said "don't go giving Brisbane a priority pick" ...why not? cause they won 5 or 6 games this year. Is that enough for our mate Scotty to say they are back in business? I would give them a priority pick as well. Brisbane deserve it -especially if all the good trades are only going to the top clubs.



The people who run this comp, all have agendas and they are largely set by people who don't care about the big picture.

Melbourne are going to make the finals this year ONLY cause of AFL assistance. I presume Scotty won't be happy about that either. You know AFL assistance and all. He only wants hidden assistance for clubs which just happen to be Geelong via free agency etc, but not anything to help the bottom clubs. Healy listened to this clown Scott and thought his arguments were valid, it had so many holes in it, it wasn't funny.


Did he whinge about getting overs for Motlop’s compensation?



Surprisingly, Scott overlooked Geelong’s generous compensation from the AFL for letting Motlop go.

Don’t care if he was restricted or non restricted.

Let’s look at facts.Geelong gets pick 19.

What “compensation” does Carlton get from the AFL for losing Bryce Gibbs- a key midfielder. I’ll tell you what- diddly squat. Who was more impt to function of a team-Gibbs or Motlop, yet the stronger team gets high compensation due to the makey-up rules of restricted free agency.

Even Geelong officials said pick 19 was generous. Mates’ rates though. We all love Brian Cook and good bloke Scotty. Pick 19 is about right for good old boys Geelong.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... z1d7r.html


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:27 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Brad Scott speaking out against them now


No doubt he also spoke out against the corrupt methodology they'll implement to snare Tarryn Thomas which is shafting the other 17 clubs?

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