We have the weakest management team in the business.
Actually, I feel our clubs strings are pulled by AFL house.
I’m convinced now, we will not be successful until we cut these ties.
We need an Eddie McGuire or a Jeff Kennett. Someone that will stand up for us!

Thanks AFL we can draft a Sam Rowe type fantastic advantage -great assistance and a real way of evening out the competition complete bulltish

don't ever say again that you believe in equalisation you hypocrites piss off and get out of the way you are a disgraceful opaque organisation that make ad hoc rules on the run and in favour of the powerful to the detriment of the weaker clubs


You are scared of McGuire Kennett Scott etc you like the status quo and show no leadership

Pictures of matchstick men!

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Top song that.

A hit 50 years ago. We won the flag in n 1968.

That’s exactly my point.

Pick 14 for a Brownlow medallist is not a fair trade.
In an unfettered market he is worth more.

A fair trade gets you a 1st Round pick in top 10 & a player from Hawthorn’s list ranked 12-18th best player & a 2nd Round pick. Hawks give up nothing of REAL value.

What did Hawthorn have to SACRIFICE to get these Agraders to their club? Brian Lake? No sacrifice, trading out trumps any minor benefits from the draft. The system benefits the strong clubs. Drafting is a gamble, no gamble with Mitchell. Proven winning horse.

The AFL community only believed in equalization when Carlton were the dominant force in the competition!

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I send an SOS to the world

people a bit sooky in here coz they didn’t get a lollipop

Perhaps we've received exactly what we asked for.
Just because people are speculating we wanted a PP for McGovern doesn't make it true. Personally, I believe a ball winning midfielder and a small forward are more value to our structure than another marking forward. Hopefully SOS and his team have the players required lined up.

If we can get Shiel, Walsh, some quality mid age top ups and great value from our second round selections, it will be a huge boost for our list balance.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I do not know what disappoints me more

Being bent over by the AFL

or

Our response to being bent over by the AFL

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A macfart a day helps you work rest and play

Yep...a lollipop being handed out by Zig and Zag.

We’ve been bent over through our own overwhelming stupidity and arrogance over a very long period of time, not by the AFL. The whining here is deafening.

Kelly, Ryan, Fritsch, Langdon, Guelfi, Banfield, Holman, Gowers, Mihocek from 2017. Just about all would be best 22 at Carlton. We can also on trade the players for picks.

Never has an established team been so shit in the modern era, and we have been during a period of massive draft interference from Gold Coast and then GWS, then some bright spark said lets really f them.. ..free agency.... nobody decent wants to come to a shit club same in the 80's and same now. Equalisation my ar$e. Haven't played a prelim this century, Brissy got a PP last year they won three flags FFS, and beat us.
But great lets get a state footy list clogger like Cam O'Shea or Jarrod Garlett that'll be f'in great. Amazing how these guys never work at shit clubs yet go to good clubs and suddenly they can slot in a play a role,..geez I wonder why???
Lollypop indeed, just a fair go.

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Green Shooter

Our greatest trade period will be this year and it's dependent on one thing...a competent rehab, conditioning and medical team.

Imagine a 2019 Carlton team with the following 'recruits'

A fit Murphy, Kennedy, Kruezer, Jones, Docherty, Lang, Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering, Fisher, Macreadie, Cunningham, Williamson, Pickett, Byrne

These guys either missed a chunk of the season, were unfit (for various reasons) or played restricted

They will guarantee us the 8 games I believe we need to win to have 2019 deemed a success

The rest (Walsh etc) will be the icing on top

Have a look at Rich Friday night. Their main playmaker was injured and they couldn't call on him to switch on. And they had Astbury below strength with the flu. They looked a different side.

You can call injuries an excuse till the cows come home but if we have a relatively good year with injuries, watch the wins come

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

So realistically our only leverage in the McGovern deal is pick 1, and threatening to use it on Lukosius, forcing Adelaide to eek out a trade with Gold Coast for pick 2.

Trade Crouch to Richmond for their first round pick. 8/16/17 for Gold Coast's 2/18.

We swap 1, 24 and 25 for 2, McGovern and 37. We take Walsh at 2.

Were Isaak Smith and Lewis Jetta considered state league players the years they were drafted?

The entire industry is riding the Tim Kelly, Bailey Fritsch fairytale. One one hand the AFL has angry clubs whinging that their early pick in a supposed Super Draft is in danger of being pushed down the order f PPs are handed out. The normal protagonists have the knives out and they are squarely pointed at us. The accusation is that we've traded out good players to get picks and in so doing have artificially lowered out finish intentionally and should not be rewarded for that. This is important as the assertion of artificially engineering a lower placed finish is the sticking point.

What to do!!! AFL needs to be seen to be doing something. Thankfully last year several clubs struck it lucky with recycled State League players. All clubs have been drafting these types for years, we wasted our first pick on Blaine Boakehorst a few years ago and look where that got us. Our track record includes players like Ed Curnow (Box Hill Hawks), Sam Rowe (Norwood SANFL), Andrew Gallucci (Williamstown), Nick Duigan (Norwood), Cam O Shea (Northern Blues). There have been others but these are the few I can remember. Tim Kelly has no doubt been a revelation however his drafting is not an abberation, clubs have been doing this for years. Our own drafting history shows that we have had a litany of hits and misses.

What upsets me about the AFL handout is that it stinks of tokenism and appeasement. It looks like their key focus here is to be seen to be doing something but more importantly not do anything to upset the other clubs. Whether what they are doing will actually help or not is not particularly relevant, mostly as this is a clubs responsibility and the AFL can easily throw a club under the bus and pass-off the blame after the fact. The Tim Kelly fairytale has everyone from the professional pundits to many of our own fans ignoring the years that everyone has been drafting state league players mostly either as rookies or as late draft picks with mixed results. The assumption now seems to be that the VFL is overstocked with Tim Kelly superstars and we've all been missing it, nothing is further from the truth. Maybe the AFL scouts missed Kelly and Geelong were savvy enough to spot a bargain. Compare this to our scouts drafting Boakehorst at Pick 19 in the 2014 draft from as a 21 year old from Swan Districts.

Not all state league draftees are Kelly and even though we seem to have a better recruiting team in place now, there is a reason why most of these types get drafted in later rounds. I suspect Geelong has had such success because they've know they wont be getting early National draft picks and consequently have focused considerable energy into scouting state leagues. The AFL is hiding behind the fairytale of Tim Kelly as a copout!

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

If they think we tanked to finish this low, why are we not instead being sanctioned?

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Time will tell and time to test the 2018 additions to our team:
Lloyd - ex list at Freo
Agresta - ex list at Swans
Bleach - ex list at Hawks

Their opportunity to shine

How many state leaguers are playing this weekend in the grand final ?

Mihocek , Ryan?, Lewis Jetta?, any others?

I think the AFL's assistance had potential to net us first round picks in a good year. Unfortunately, I haven't read anywhere that there a state league players looking to be drafted in the first round like Isaac Smith.

Pretty sure he plays in some bush league.

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dane's trolling again