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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:16 pm 
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Kreuzer late out for McKay?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:16 pm 
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Rexy wrote:

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/1014816658060337153


But Bolton only selects players in form. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:35 pm 
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Kreuzer late out for McKay?


That would be good

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:50 pm 
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Just to play devils advocate; we played some of our best footy last year with a backline of Weitering, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. At times Alex Silvagni was in that group too. Tall backline doesn’t necessarily mean doom and gloom.

Also, Kreuzer has to play when fit, one of our top 5 players. Good luck dropping Phillips after last weeks strong performance too. I don’t like the 2 ruckmen, but I do like rewarding form.

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There are two Carltons: the push the opposition for three quarters only to bottle it in the last Carlton, or the 8 goals down at quarter time Carlton. I fear this game will be the second one.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:30 am 
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This is where we cement another nubmer 1 pick

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:45 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Just to play devils advocate; we played some of our best footy last year with a backline of Weitering, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. At times Alex Silvagni was in that group too. Tall backline doesn’t necessarily mean doom and gloom.

Also, Kreuzer has to play when fit, one of our top 5 players. Good luck dropping Phillips after last weeks strong performance too. I don’t like the 2 ruckmen, but I do like rewarding form.


I know you're playing a Devil's Advocate but there is our problem. To pick a properly balanced side sometimes players are unlucky. You don't reward form to the extent of totally unbalancing your side. You pick a side to play to their strengths. We pick 4 tall defender because we think they deserve to play, watch our lack of rebound from defence, an important part of the modern game, and then we pick as ruckman who'll spend half a game forward, a role he his no good at, because we think he deserves to play. That's how you lose games. I'm all for rewarding for but not to the extent of screwing up the side. You don't pick two wicket keepers because one filled in and did well the previous Test and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Good sides play players in their correct roles. Rucks play ruck, forwards play forward. 2 rucks has failed us 1000 times, to me, as unlucky as Phillips would be, you don't go back there.

Alex Silvagni is quick and can play on tall and small.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:19 am 
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I agree too tall, again.

I know many of our running players are either unavailable or not very good, but rewarding form over the top of a balanced side seems very odd


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:32 am 
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Maybe Kreuzer will play in the midfield and tag Zorko or maybe we'll just not tag him as usual.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:40 am 
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Anyone forward would be better than what Casboult dished up last week.
Phillips went forward once marked and kicked goals.
I would rather have Kruezer forward at least he follows up chases and tackles
Side is tall but the games in Brisbane usually have congested forward 50
Casboult has been offering nothing need to try something

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99prelim wrote:
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Why the heck is Rowe still in yet McKay doesn't play anywhere this week.
The coaches all said he needs 4 quarters and consistancy well how the hell does he get it by not playing at all at any level.
Worst backline ever.
Land of giants....


Agree. Way too tall, as it has been most of the year. Four key talls and they only have two key forwards.


We are ensuring that we don't win, even though we probably wouldn't have anyway

Our number 1 pick will be worth a kings ransom to adelaide


Yup - that's how I'm seeing it as well

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:05 pm 
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17th v 18th and we are $3.10 to win??

How far have we fallen?

Wow what a cluster “flower” this season been.


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I just want to see someone really long-term damage mathieson if he ducks into them again. If you're going to be giving away a free kick for high contact make it worthwhile and fracture his larynx.


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jim wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Just to play devils advocate; we played some of our best footy last year with a backline of Weitering, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. At times Alex Silvagni was in that group too. Tall backline doesn’t necessarily mean doom and gloom.

Also, Kreuzer has to play when fit, one of our top 5 players. Good luck dropping Phillips after last weeks strong performance too. I don’t like the 2 ruckmen, but I do like rewarding form.


I know you're playing a Devil's Advocate but there is our problem. To pick a properly balanced side sometimes players are unlucky. You don't reward form to the extent of totally unbalancing your side. You pick a side to play to their strengths. We pick 4 tall defender because we think they deserve to play, watch our lack of rebound from defence, an important part of the modern game, and then we pick as ruckman who'll spend half a game forward, a role he his no good at, because we think he deserves to play. That's how you lose games. I'm all for rewarding for but not to the extent of screwing up the side. You don't pick two wicket keepers because one filled in and did well the previous Test and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Good sides play players in their correct roles. Rucks play ruck, forwards play forward. 2 rucks has failed us 1000 times, to me, as unlucky as Phillips would be, you don't go back there.

Alex Silvagni is quick and can play on tall and small.

Surely you exaggerate.
Last week Levi kicked 0-3, took two marks I can think of on the wing and was slaughtered in the ruck duels by Westhoff.
If Phillips kicks one goal (or four behinds), takes two or more marks around the ground and gets a few hit outs we are already in front.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:48 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
jim wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Just to play devils advocate; we played some of our best footy last year with a backline of Weitering, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. At times Alex Silvagni was in that group too. Tall backline doesn’t necessarily mean doom and gloom.

Also, Kreuzer has to play when fit, one of our top 5 players. Good luck dropping Phillips after last weeks strong performance too. I don’t like the 2 ruckmen, but I do like rewarding form.


I know you're playing a Devil's Advocate but there is our problem. To pick a properly balanced side sometimes players are unlucky. You don't reward form to the extent of totally unbalancing your side. You pick a side to play to their strengths. We pick 4 tall defender because we think they deserve to play, watch our lack of rebound from defence, an important part of the modern game, and then we pick as ruckman who'll spend half a game forward, a role he his no good at, because we think he deserves to play. That's how you lose games. I'm all for rewarding for but not to the extent of screwing up the side. You don't pick two wicket keepers because one filled in and did well the previous Test and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Good sides play players in their correct roles. Rucks play ruck, forwards play forward. 2 rucks has failed us 1000 times, to me, as unlucky as Phillips would be, you don't go back there.

Alex Silvagni is quick and can play on tall and small.

Surely you exaggerate.
Last week Levi kicked 0-3, took two marks I can think of on the wing and was slaughtered in the ruck duels by Westhoff.
If Phillips kicks one goal (or four behinds), takes two or more marks around the ground and gets a few hit outs we are already in front.


No, i don't. I assume you know something about football. I'd be playing McKay or Kerr ahead of Phillips. Both are emergencies so they're fit. If you've followed football you would know our rucks are terrible forwards and one will be there at near all times. If you know your football you'd realise you play players in their correct roles to get the most out of them. Why would you play a ruckman forward when you could play a forward there. You'd know playing Phillips and Kreuzer together has failed us every time as both are first rucks who need to play the majority of the game on the ball, not interchanging up forward up forward where they are no good. Good sides play players to their their strengths and pick a side to their strengths. Carlton is not a good side for a few reasons, those being one of them. I think it's time for some sackings.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:49 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
I agree too tall, again.

I know many of our running players are either unavailable or not very good, but rewarding form over the top of a balanced side seems very odd


Agree very tall team to put on the park. There may well be a plan in place.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:50 pm 
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verbs wrote:
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I just want to see someone really long-term damage mathieson if he ducks into them again. If you're going to be giving away a free kick for high contact make it worthwhile and fracture his larynx.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm 
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Anyone forward would be better than what Casboult dished up last week.
Phillips went forward once marked and kicked goals.
I would rather have Kruezer forward at least he follows up chases and tackles
Side is tall but the games in Brisbane usually have congested forward 50
Casboult has been offering nothing need to try something

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You're so anti-Casboult so anything you say about him is not to be taken serious. it'd be shit. I'd back Casboult injured and out of form to kick more goals than Phillips most weeks. I don't judge on one week and judge like you to fuel an agenda. I'll look at careers. Levi rucked ok last year and kicked 34 goals. Phillips and Kreuzer would be lucky to get half of that combined. Only a dummy of the highest order,or someone with a hate-filled agenda, would say otherwise.

With Levi getting his touch back after his injury you'd play another key forward.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:03 pm 
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jim wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Just to play devils advocate; we played some of our best footy last year with a backline of Weitering, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. At times Alex Silvagni was in that group too. Tall backline doesn’t necessarily mean doom and gloom.

Also, Kreuzer has to play when fit, one of our top 5 players. Good luck dropping Phillips after last weeks strong performance too. I don’t like the 2 ruckmen, but I do like rewarding form.


I know you're playing a Devil's Advocate but there is our problem. To pick a properly balanced side sometimes players are unlucky. You don't reward form to the extent of totally unbalancing your side. You pick a side to play to their strengths. We pick 4 tall defender because we think they deserve to play, watch our lack of rebound from defence, an important part of the modern game, and then we pick as ruckman who'll spend half a game forward, a role he his no good at, because we think he deserves to play. That's how you lose games. I'm all for rewarding for but not to the extent of screwing up the side. You don't pick two wicket keepers because one filled in and did well the previous Test and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Good sides play players in their correct roles. Rucks play ruck, forwards play forward. 2 rucks has failed us 1000 times, to me, as unlucky as Phillips would be, you don't go back there.

Alex Silvagni is quick and can play on tall and small.


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