Well said Donstuie
I have never been more embarrassed being a Carlton supporter than yesterday

It was so disappointing being at the ground thinking before the start that we had a chance and for the first half were still on the bye no effort no apptitude no grit no application
You can take the fact that our skills and decision making are crap that goes with being 18 th but the lack of effort /intensity etc was just simply an affront to the supporter base around the country but particularly those who turned up at the ground

Almost more galling is Bolton saying that second half was better etc nothing redeeming about yesterday and McKay running around today like a headless chook saying that we are going after free agents Gaff and McGovern as if they will come to a team that can't even at home against an interstate club be bothered trying or turning up

If Graham plays another game.....


Equal worst performance I've seen in 30 years along with 124pt loss to North

I've been following since around '66 and I can't remember a Carlton side being booed off at half time.

Ed’s quotes about this game almost sounded eerily similar to Murph’s comments after the GC game.

Why the @#$%&! aren’t these guys properly prepared (physically and mentally) before running onto the field??

I went to the game with my son in law and the two grandsons. I looked at the younger grandson (6yo) in the second quarter and the look on his face just about broke my heart, the older one (9yo) shortly afterwards said to me "can we go now, I don't want to see them beaten by more than one hundred points". Damn near had me in tears.

I dunno, is it just complete lack of confidence, lack of fitness, or are most of the players just giving (or given) up? Even if you haven't got the skills you can at least put in. At one stage in the second quarter the lack of effort from one player in particular had the son in law about ready to jump the fence he was so angry. Jeeze, I'm just so upset at the terrible skills, a player thirty metres away and you miss him by ten metres, how many goals did Freo kick due to turn overs?

Late in the second quarter Wright marked in the forward pocket, then turned his back and walked back to take his kick (missed everything) as O'Brien, on his own twenty metres out dead in front screamed for the ball. O'Brien shook his head in disgust and waved his arms in exasperation when he realised the ball wasn't coming his way. I suppose this is what happens when your team is going as badly as Carlton is, players tend to play for themselves, it was a terrible, terrible look though.

A lot to contemplate for the coaches. Kreuzer is a high quality ruckman around the ground but his form against the taller ruck men is terrible.
Gawn and Sandilands tore us apart in the centre square and Witts gave him a lesson around the ground. Our kids have shown they can compete in the middle if Kreuz can compete. When he cant, we're toasted.
Saturdays centre bounce stuff was embarrassing and our game consistently started from our defensive half.
Phillips is a better option in the middle but he doesn't have Kreuzers smarts at the general stoppages.

This weekend shouldn't be so bad as Grundy isn't a big body. But short term, we have to find a solution.

A lot to contemplate for the coaches. Kreuzer is a high quality ruckman around the ground but his form against the taller ruck men is terrible.
Gawn and Sandilands tore us apart in the centre square and Witts gave him a lesson around the ground. Our kids have shown they can compete in the middle if Kreuz can compete. When he cant, we're toasted.
Saturdays centre bounce stuff was embarrassing and our game consistently started from our defensive half.
Phillips is a better option in the middle but he doesn't have Kreuzers smarts at the general stoppages.

This weekend shouldn't be so bad as Grundy isn't a big body. But short term, we have to find a solution.

He was also towelled up against Sydney and North.
Grundy is in the running for AA.
We will just see more of the same this week against Collingwood at the bounces.
The issue is more that Kreuzer is so competitive away from the bounce.
Jim doesn't think hitouts are important and that hitouts to advantage are a made up stat but he has the blinkers on when it comes to Kreuzer and can't explain qhy the teams with the best ruckmen (Sydney aside) are all going well.
If hitouts to advantage don't count, how does anybody explain the emergence of WCE since Natanui got back? He's single handedly given them a free hit at the stopages.
Gawn, dito. Grundy, Goldstein....

Kreuzer's best work is in the follow up to the ruck contest and around the ground. I would let him follow up someone else's and not his own. Put him rotating through the midfield with Cripps, Dow and the rest and have Phillips do the hitouts. Jim says he is too slow to be a midfielder but he's already playing that role to his own work. he won't be any slower if he's playing off the back of the ruck contest than he is recovering from losing it.

Cue Jim's weekly rant about how playing two ruckmen doesn't work, even though I am yet again not proposing two ruckmen.