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| Author: | Bookie [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Bolts is smoking the green shoots again. |
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| Author: | Effes [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
bondiblue wrote: keogh wrote: How is Graham dropped Absolute disgrace He was selected last week to fill an inside role whilst Ed was out suspended. We got killed on the inside (other than Cripps) Graham got a lot of his cheap possessions on the outside. He wasn't that effective. There's more to it than the number of disposals. Yes he's vanilla but he had 2 goal assists (Carlton kicked 7 goals), had 15 contested possessions out of 28 (2nd most in the team) and 5 clearances (2nd most in the team). |
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| Author: | keogh [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
bondiblue wrote: keogh wrote: How is Graham dropped Absolute disgrace He was selected last week to fill an inside role whilst Ed was out suspended. We got killed on the inside (other than Cripps) Graham got a lot of his cheap possessions on the outside. He wasn't that effective. There's more to it than the number of disposals. Graham last week 15 contested possessions 5 clearances 436 m gained most by a Carlton player by a far way Anything else you want |
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| Author: | BigKev [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Effes wrote: bondiblue wrote: keogh wrote: How is Graham dropped Absolute disgrace He was selected last week to fill an inside role whilst Ed was out suspended. We got killed on the inside (other than Cripps) Graham got a lot of his cheap possessions on the outside. He wasn't that effective. There's more to it than the number of disposals. Yes he's vanilla but he had 2 goal assists (Carlton kicked 7 goals), had 15 contested possessions out of 28 (2nd most in the team) and 5 clearances (2nd most in the team). But the message to him now is "that isn't good enough to hold you place in the team". It concerns me that we might have a potentially reasonable football there that we ruin by regularly undermining his confidence. I hope they've spent a lot of time with him explaining what else it is that he needs to do to hold his place. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Agree Effes after Cripps was really our second best player for the day - how do those numbers stack up against OSheas 4 free kicks in the Melbourne forward 50 and innumerable fumbles and crap disposals We are dying for midfielders -graham gets dropped -we add one midfielder for murphy and another tall defender in weitering and OShea stays unbelievable  Simon White must have passed those photos he had on the coach and match committee to OShea 
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| Author: | cimm1979 [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
It's pretty clear that wins are secondary. Well done to Graham. I would never have the skill to play AFL but i'm convinced I wouldn't have the temperament to endure (whether you think it's fair or not) his selection history. It goes back to the start of his career, the sub-vest period and now having to be first guy bounced out while he watches kids who barely get a sniff get played ahead of him week in week out. I don't remember anyone getting his stats and getting dropped ever. It might be whats best for the club but it would be tough to take. |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
The coaches have the data on who our midfielders are matched against. Melbourne's mids killed ours for scoring and setting up goals. I don't recall how many of their goals came from stoppages but it was a significant amount. Graham hasn't had problems finding the ball but he struggles to have accountability going the other way. I'd suggest that data contains the information on why he's playing VFL. Bolts isn't going to drop a player who is pulling his weight when he's crying out for midfield depth. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Blue Vain wrote: The coaches have the data on who our midfielders are matched against. Melbourne's mids killed ours for scoring and setting up goals. I don't recall how many of their goals came from stoppages but it was a significant amount. Graham hasn't had problems finding the ball but he struggles to have accountability going the other way. I'd suggest that data contains the information on why he's playing VFL. Bolts isn't going to drop a player who is pulling his weight when he's crying out for midfield depth. That is simply a load of shit I can’t recall the second best player On the day where a team loses by Over 16 goals getting dropped I rate Graham Certainly more than OShea And a few others Hope he gets a fair go somewhere else Next year because after his demotion It’s clear Bolton doesn’t rate him Wouldn’t be the first time a player didn’t Get a fair crack at it and left Carlton For greener pastures Jacobs comes to mind |
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| Author: | choo [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Carlton players will be wearing black armbands tomorrow night. Vale NG |
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| Author: | BigBlueWave [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Look I am not a big fan of Nick Graham. However I think the decision to drop him was a bad one and sends the wrong message to the playing group. IMO we are going in too tall. Perhaps a disposal efficiency of 57% went against him. |
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| Author: | billc3 [ Fri May 25, 2018 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
BigBlueWave wrote: Look I am not a big fan of Nick Graham. Gee, a journo worked out that we are going in tall at Bolton's presser today....However I think the decision to drop him was a bad one and sends the wrong message to the playing group. IMO we are going in too tall. Perhaps a disposal efficiency of 57% went against him. That's a REALLY BAD Sign.... Typically things have to be jumping up and down on their heads before they notice. Go Blues |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Fri May 25, 2018 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
keogh wrote: Blue Vain wrote: The coaches have the data on who our midfielders are matched against. Melbourne's mids killed ours for scoring and setting up goals. I don't recall how many of their goals came from stoppages but it was a significant amount. Graham hasn't had problems finding the ball but he struggles to have accountability going the other way. I'd suggest that data contains the information on why he's playing VFL. Bolts isn't going to drop a player who is pulling his weight when he's crying out for midfield depth. That is simply a load of shit I can’t recall the second best player On the day where a team loses by Over 16 goals getting dropped I rate Graham Certainly more than OShea And a few others Hope he gets a fair go somewhere else Next year because after his demotion It’s clear Bolton doesn’t rate him Wouldn’t be the first time a player didn’t Get a fair crack at it and left Carlton For greener pastures Jacobs comes to mind That's a terrible thing to say keogh. I understand what BV says, and it may in fact be valid. OShea and Graham play different positions. Jacobs was 4th banana. Ofcourse he was excess to our needs. Who knew he would surpass Kreuzer Hampson and Warnock? I wanted to keep him, but we could only play 2 rucks, whilst Collingwood used only 1. I think the reason Graham was kept on the list (to everyone's surprise) was as a depth player. Did you rate him last year? Did you ever suggest he's a candidate for delisting? You can rate anyone you like, and that doesn't make the MC wrong. They are privy to much more than you. SPS got a few clearances too, and plenty of possessions for a 56 metre gain. Spotlight should be on him too imo, but I'll leave that to the coaches. There must be valid reasons. That's what we have to try and work out. People I was at the footy with kept seeing Graham's numbers increasing on the App. Without looking at the numbers, none of us barely noticed him. I watched his opponent in the middle run past him umteen times and forge ahead..usually involved with a scoring opportunity. |
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| Author: | 17th Premiership [ Fri May 25, 2018 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Charlie in the middle & Weitering playing the Docherty role. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Heavs [ Fri May 25, 2018 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Forget Graham ... When is Callan Beasy going to get a run? I'm sick of us playing Merrington. |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Fri May 25, 2018 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
keogh wrote: Blue Vain wrote: The coaches have the data on who our midfielders are matched against. Melbourne's mids killed ours for scoring and setting up goals. I don't recall how many of their goals came from stoppages but it was a significant amount. Graham hasn't had problems finding the ball but he struggles to have accountability going the other way. I'd suggest that data contains the information on why he's playing VFL. Bolts isn't going to drop a player who is pulling his weight when he's crying out for midfield depth. That is simply a load of shit I can’t recall the second best player On the day where a team loses by Over 16 goals getting dropped Second best player?  You wouldn't know your arse from your elbow. Bolton isn't going to drop the bloke for fun. His opponents torched him. Have a look at the game in it's entirety. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Fri May 25, 2018 6:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
My arse is below my elbow You haven’t got a clue mate |
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| Author: | keogh [ Fri May 25, 2018 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Second Best player after Cripps Who do you reckon was the second best player Graham may not be quick He may not be big But he was better than 20 other players Last week That’s for sure Who were his direct opponents mister Know it all Are you as critical on guys like Murphy Who hasn’t laid a decent tackle in the last 3 years Just like Bolton you have your favorites Bottom line Graham will never be in the team of the Century but on the basis of last weeks Game No dickens brainer he should have not been dropped |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Who needs a coach Keogh. You can pick the team for CFC based on the stats in the Herald Sun and Supercoach rankings!  Are you really stupid enough to think Bolton will drop players for no reason? Do you not think he needs a win as much as anyone? Nick Graham was given the opportunity to shop himself around the past 2 off seasons. No takers. Have you considered why? |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Fri May 25, 2018 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
Nick Graham is not a very good player Neither is Cam O'Shea Yet O'Shea is getting continuity even when we appear to be at least carrying 1 tall too many and short on midfield rotations. As average as he is Graham was far from our worst last week. |
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| Author: | Stefchook [ Fri May 25, 2018 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R10: Geelong vs Carlton Pre Match Discussion |
For a fantastically talented player, Dangerfield is a self-important knob. I wonder who he'll accidentally injure this time? And I wonder how many times he'll be rewarded for throwing himself forward? Hope we win. If not, hope we're competitive, and we don't let Dangerfield dominate. |
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