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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:11 pm 
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Calling it a team game is a cliché.

Cripps should do less than he is capable of and others should do more than they are capable of. It makes sense.


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:13 pm 
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verbs wrote:

Cripps should do less than he is capable of and others should do more than they are capable of. It makes sense.


stop the cliches !


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:14 pm 
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no really, it's a team game????

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:15 pm 
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One game at a time.

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:19 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
verbs wrote:
Cripps the fastest ever of anyone to 1000 contested possessions.
Mean while him and his mates get belted by 109 points.

Its a team game Verbs

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yeah but there's no i in team but there's one in Cripps so work that one out


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:35 pm 
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I'm wondering whether our game plan is good enough. We were super offensive early on in the year and then went back to defensive game plan with similar results. With one win only for the year, focus has to to be turned on the off field set up.

Yes, we are young etc. but I'm wondering if bolts has the right people around him, and the right development system?

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:49 pm 
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what did while do to you sydney

shit game today
agree with Frank
least talented backline ever assembled...rowe, jones, mullet, oshea (enough already), daisy and a 35 yr old simmo

Really? I’d hate to be in our backline with the delivery allowed in. Rowe jones Simmo n daisy(played out of position) deserve better support up the field.

Melbourne grew a set of balls. They were harder than us and had to be if there serious about finals. One of the softest games I’ve ever seen from Lewis, not long left for that grub.


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:18 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
I'm wondering whether our game plan is good enough. We were super offensive early on in the year and then went back to defensive game plan with similar results. With one win only for the year, focus has to to be turned on the off field set up.

Yes, we are young etc. but I'm wondering if bolts has the right people around him, and the right development system?


Many are wondering the same....


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:25 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Wangers wrote:
I'm wondering whether our game plan is good enough. We were super offensive early on in the year and then went back to defensive game plan with similar results. With one win only for the year, focus has to to be turned on the off field set up.

Yes, we are young etc. but I'm wondering if bolts has the right people around him, and the right development system?


Many are wondering the same....


Is there a Neeld type within our coaching panel?


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:29 pm 
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Worst loss to Melbourne in our 122 year history.
Racking up the records now

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:41 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Worst loss to Melbourne in our 122 year history.
Racking up the records now

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They’ll continue to come for a little while longer, we better get use to it.


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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:23 pm 
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Few people listing Rowe in the 'con' category.
I though he did ok in keeping the flog Hogan to one late goal.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:21 am 
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I couldn't watch the last third of the game. It was obvious that the coach's box was incapable of thinking through the situation even before then.
I commented at half time about the goals over the back and Kreuzer getting murdered at the stoppages and for those who think hitouts to advantage isn't a real stat, i invite you to look at the scoreline. Jones has a leap that can at least stop someone like Gawn giving his mids an armchair ride. I would have tried that.
I would also have tried putting someone behind the last Melbourne player in defence. I guessed at half time that we had had something like ten goals from players running back to take a mark or to run into an open goal. Just a guess but the first three goals of the third quarter were all in that categroy.

I am all for the rebuild and yes, we are going to lose a lot more games than we win over the next year or more BUT the coaching panel can't just sit dumbfounded in the box and make no changes to the lineup when it is obvious something needs to be done on the field. Shouting at the players won't fix a structural problem. Ever.

I have harped on about Kreuzer forever. He is NOT a tap ruckman. Phillips is a better tap ruckman than Kreuzer. It doesn't matter in some games that Kreuzer takes marks and kicks more behinds than Phillips. Sometimes, it is important to put in a ruckman who can jump and get a hand on the footy against a different type of ruck. It's no different to picking a second spinner to pay on the SCG. Put Kreuzer as a CHF/mid That's his strength, the follow up stuff in close. He's a whizz at that.

For me that whole non-reaction in the coach's box was the biggest issue in the list of 'cons'.

On the pro side, it looked as though SPS was going to get it a bit more and it was another game under the belt of the kids.
Also, Lamb is in our best 22. Cripps is a genuine star of the game and will fetch seven figures at a club like Sydney or Geelong where the salary cap seems to have no ceiling. He must genuinely wonder where he will be in a few years at this rate and if his mates from WA aren't already in his ear pointing at the WCE finals onslaught to come....

Geelong will come out on fire next week after losing to the drug cheats. If we aren't going to lose by 100 down there, we need all our available good players and a winning mindset. We also need the MC to look at the defensive setup. It's far too high and leaves us vulnerable to easy goals when the ball is turned over. I can see it. Most of the people on here can see it and many have commented on it but can Bolts see it or will he just keep flogging the same dead horse?

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 am 
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Part of my membership package this year included a badge acknowledging my 48 consecutive years of membership. In that time and even before as a kid, I'm finding it hard to remember a more insipid, clueless performance than what was dished up yesterday.

My only positive for the day was deciding to catch up with a few chores at home instead of making a 6 hour round trip down to the footy.

My big negative was turning on the TV to watch a Carlton side that seemingly had no idea and even worse gave up !

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:09 am 
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Really glad I got free tickets to this game so I could take our exchange student to not only see Carlton lose live for the second time, but lose like they meant it!


Pros:

Cripps. Hogan should be embarrassed he was awarded the Rising Star.
Kerr. Always good to see kids get their first game.
Lil' Miss Wojee II. On the walk out of the ground she said loudly "Melbourne are a bad team". She was shot a bemused look by a woman in Melb colours so I replied "Well, I don't think this team will win a grand final."

Cons:

Flat track bullies like Melbourne love playing Carlton.
Letting a crab like Horseteeth kick 5.
Our midfield basically consists of Cripps. Every bounce was like clockwork, Melb get the ball into forward 50.
Our players don't seem to have working eyes. I'm pretty sure the coaches don't sit down at the start of the game and say "When you get the ball, I want you to pick out a loose opponent."
The lady behind me who practically orgasmed every time the ball went near Tom McDonald. "TOM! TOM! TOM!" whenever he got one of his over the top goals.
Letting Melbourne get away with cheating and running forward of the play, I guess when you're winning most 50/50 balls you can do that.
Umpiring. It's difficult to explain to someone seeing only their second game what has just happened when you have NFI yourself even after watching it replayed twice.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:33 am 
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Yesterday was very disappointing but remember where we are coming from.
The future is more positive than Malthouse's last year in 2015.
With Gibbs going we will be better in the long run. I reckon O'Brien who we obtained with pick 10 from the Gibbs deal, looks ok however losing another key experienced player meant we would be further exposed if things didn't go our way.

The problem is two fold. We are still paying for terrible recruitment a few years ago. Those guys would now be in their mid twenties and
be the leaders. As it is we have a small group of senior players who can take the young kids under their wing. Many of those players are second raters which all clubs have.
We just can't afford injuries at this time of the rebuild. Unfortunately we have had a bad run in this department.
Have a think about the defence we have out at the moment.
Marchbank, MacCreadie, Williamson, Byrne, Docherty, Weitering, Silvangi(Alex)

That's a big difference. I rate MacCreadie highly. I reckon he has the potential to be a key backman. Weitering has been disappointing
but has a lot of talent and will be ok in the long run but having all these blokes out hasn't helped his development
Yesterday we had the worst defence on paper I can recall. Guys like Mullett , O'Shea and Jones are there to fill the gaps. All clubs have these players. I personally wouldn't have offered Jones a two year contract but he wouldn't be playing if our team wasn't so young with the injuries we have got. I admit its frustrating, but it is what it is.

You can't expect a team rebuilding with all these injuries to continue to match it with teams who are 3 to 5 years ahead with
their rebuild. We were ok early, but the dam was going to break after 5 good quarters ( obviously including Essendon* last week)

IMO we do need to address two main issues at the end of the season.

Make Cripps captain. Murphy simply isn't and hasn't been captain material. He has been past his best for a long time.
Have a stand alone VFL side is a must. Surround your kids with mature bodies who are capable footballers. Recruit from other VFL clubs,
country leagues, interstate etc. We need to be focusing on being immediately competitive at VFL level. Its a focus that has been
severely lacking by this club. Fix the problem and we will fast track our youngsters quicker so they are better prepared at AFL level.

As I said in the beginning we are coming from the longest way back possible. Think of how shit we were under Malthouse and Sticks
in 2015. Its a long road back and we will hit a few potholes.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:45 am 
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just re: the VFL point you made keogh. I'm pretty sure having a stronger VFL side was in the minds of Bolts etc when they were picking up Lobbe, Mullett, O'Shea, keeping Kerridge and Graham etc. These guys are not meant to be playing AFL. They are good VFL level players who are meant to be stop-gaps in the AFL setup, not week to week propositions. Unfortunately we have so many injuries it just hasn't worked out that way. Am I right in that we had 8 listed players in the VFL on the weekend? That's always going to be an uphill struggle.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about VFL standalone, but if we were then what the @#$%&! would we do with 8 players? Top ups don't know the game plan or structures, they just run around trying to get a kick and impress. At least with a JV in theory we have a core of Preston blokes that know how the team is meant to play and know the names of the guys they are playing with.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:49 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
I couldn't watch the last third of the game. It was obvious that the coach's box was incapable of thinking through the situation even before then.
I commented at half time about the goals over the back and Kreuzer getting murdered at the stoppages and for those who think hitouts to advantage isn't a real stat, i invite you to look at the scoreline. Jones has a leap that can at least stop someone like Gawn giving his mids an armchair ride. I would have tried that.
I would also have tried putting someone behind the last Melbourne player in defence. I guessed at half time that we had had something like ten goals from players running back to take a mark or to run into an open goal. Just a guess but the first three goals of the third quarter were all in that categroy.

I am all for the rebuild and yes, we are going to lose a lot more games than we win over the next year or more BUT the coaching panel can't just sit dumbfounded in the box and make no changes to the lineup when it is obvious something needs to be done on the field. Shouting at the players won't fix a structural problem. Ever.

I have harped on about Kreuzer forever. He is NOT a tap ruckman. Phillips is a better tap ruckman than Kreuzer. It doesn't matter in some games that Kreuzer takes marks and kicks more behinds than Phillips. Sometimes, it is important to put in a ruckman who can jump and get a hand on the footy against a different type of ruck. It's no different to picking a second spinner to pay on the SCG. Put Kreuzer as a CHF/mid That's his strength, the follow up stuff in close. He's a whizz at that.

For me that whole non-reaction in the coach's box was the biggest issue in the list of 'cons'.

On the pro side, it looked as though SPS was going to get it a bit more and it was another game under the belt of the kids.
Also, Lamb is in our best 22. Cripps is a genuine star of the game and will fetch seven figures at a club like Sydney or Geelong where the salary cap seems to have no ceiling. He must genuinely wonder where he will be in a few years at this rate and if his mates from WA aren't already in his ear pointing at the WCE finals onslaught to come....

Geelong will come out on fire next week after losing to the drug cheats. If we aren't going to lose by 100 down there, we need all our available good players and a winning mindset. We also need the MC to look at the defensive setup. It's far too high and leaves us vulnerable to easy goals when the ball is turned over. I can see it. Most of the people on here can see it and many have commented on it but can Bolts see it or will he just keep flogging the same dead horse?


An acquaintance of mine once threw a full beer stubby at his TV while watching his Bombers getting beaten by Carlton in the 1990's. Smashed the screen and he didn't get to see the rest of the game. For the first time I felt like doing the same on Sunday.

Agree with you Blue Sombrero that it would have been a good tactic to send a player deep in defence behind the Melbourne forwards. It also might have helped if Jones had learned, after the first two or three times that Melbourne scored a goal from a kick over Jones, that it might not be the best strategy to play 20 metres in front of his opponent.

I cannot understand why our players persist in kicking across the ground often to a contest instead of kicking to a contest 50 metres closer to our goals. On one occasion yesterday a player kicked across the ground in Melb forward line to a contest between one Carlton player and three Melbourne players - the result was not too good. Every side we have played this year have scored goals from this type of mistake. It seems that a major element in our game plan is to avoid kicking to a contest down the line, but OK to do it going backwards or sideways.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:55 am 
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NTBlue wrote:
I cannot understand why our players persist in kicking across the ground often to a contest instead of kicking to a contest 50 metres closer to our goals. On one occasion yesterday a player kicked across the ground in Melb forward line to a contest between one Carlton player and three Melbourne players - the result was not too good. Every side we have played this year have scored goals from this type of mistake. It seems that a major element in our game plan is to avoid kicking to a contest down the line, but OK to do it going backwards or sideways.


They didn't just kick across the ground to a contest, they advised their opponents they were going to do so in writing, text message and email it was that obvious that it was coming.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:56 am 
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keogh wrote:

Make Cripps captain. Murphy simply isn't and hasn't been captain material. He has been past his best for a long time.
Have a stand alone VFL side is a must. Surround your kids with mature bodies who are capable footballers. Recruit from other VFL clubs,
country leagues, interstate etc. We need to be focusing on being immediately competitive at VFL level. Its a focus that has been
severely lacking by this club. Fix the problem and we will fast track our youngsters quicker so they are better prepared at AFL level.


I agree!

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