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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:45 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I'm not as gloomy as some.
That team is very inexperienced. We have never seen a similar team at Carlton IMO.
The "experienced" players- Kerridge, Casboult, Simpson, Rowe, Jones, Wright are hardly what you call elite (Simpson may have been, he is not now)
We have a massive hole in the 24-30 age group where most premierships are won. We won't hit that for 3-4 more years.
We need to get games into talented young inexperienced players without the cover that they need.

We lost last night because of skill errors, dropped marks, fumbles, missed passes. That can improve this season.

I ignore what is written in newspapers or said by "experts" in the media.

As above.
It is really hard to be there to watch but this is the hard yards of the reset.
For example, SPS played a mostly defensive midfield role and I could see how he was learning to be more accountable but was also being taken into the play more. 10 games of this exposure will help his talent to blossom.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:48 am 
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In all the talk about “The Dogzzz are yunger den da Blooooz”, has anyone had a closer look at comparing our 24-28 year old brigade vs their’s in terms of quality?

I’d wager that there’s a bit of a gulf there

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:54 am 
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Need more from the kids or be happy to keep losing badly.

We have no more small forward-mids worth a cracker at the moment.

Lang will be a big help if he comes in this week.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:59 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
In all the talk about “The Dogzzz are yunger den da Blooooz”, has anyone had a closer look at comparing our 24-28 year old brigade vs their’s in terms of quality?

I’d wager that there’s a bit of a gulf there


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34977&p=1883472#p1883472

6 of their 7 highest ranked players by Champion Data on the night came from that group. The other was McLean whose nearing 50 games.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
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[quote="Sydney Blue"]When your teams book ends are Levi and Liam

There is your starting point for your problems.
Both football players with no footy smarts whose bad errors far out way their good stuff. And the club has kept them
It says everything about where we are at.

The rest of the players with the exception of Cripps are all gunners.
That is their all gunner be good
Lord help us

As Clarko said some clubs play their Grand Final in November.
Carlton are November champions

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Not this usual rubbish again?

Casboult had:
10 possessions. 5 contested!!!
6 marks.
6 score involvements (we only had 19 scores total! So he's been involved in 30% of our scores!!) )
Kicked 2.3 with one perfect set shot and one that missed by a cm.
Two perfect leads that weren't honoured which would have been shots for 30m out in front.

What did he do wrong?
Opening line
10 possessions
Never gets more never gets less.
Can you tell me the last time Casboult won a free kick from his defensive effotts in the fwd 50
Or chased down someone to create a turn over.
Fevola used to do it 2 to 3 times a game
Levi has had 100 games as a kpf and I can't recall him doing once.

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Yeah but don't just harp on the opening line and ignore the rest.

He's not Fev. Good luck being happy with any forward if Fev is the benchmark. He was a special player. Of course Casboult isn't Fev.

Let's take a straw pole of the leading full forwards in the league and compare them to Casboults averages of 10 disposals (74% efficiency) and 1 tackle if your gripe with Casboult is not enough possessions and not enough tackle pressure.

Ben Brown is leading the goal kicking with averages of 10 possessions (64%) and 1 tackle.

Lance is second (and a superstar once in a generation player) who averages 17 possession (56%) and 1 tackle.

Jeremy Cameron 15 (58%) and 1 tackle.

Tom Lynch 13 (59%) and 2 tackles

Tom Boyd 10 (67%) and 1 tackle.

Tom Hawkins 12 (61%) and 2.

Taylor Walker 12 (69%) and 1.

Not sure what you expect of Levi?
What did he do last night that was so bad?
His disposal is better than most in the league and he suffers from playing in a team with poor midfield disposal accuracy.


Hey Sydney Blue. Still waiting to hear why you think Casboult was so bad on Friday night?

Let's take a quick look at the games so far this weekend in light of your opinion that our troubles start with Casboult And Liam.

Disposals. Efficiency. Goals.
Casboult - 10, 70%, 2.3
Lynch - 10, 90%, 0.0
Walker - 11, 55%, 2.2
Tom Boyd - 13, 76%, 1.3
Dixon - 16, 62%, 1.1
Patton - 16, 81%, 0.1.

I agree we have been disappointing. I've left every game feeling annoyed and upset. But you can't keep potting everybody in sight and being SO negative about everything. Give us a couple of positives. What can we hang our hat on?
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_goal_kickers?year=2018&type=A&sort=goals


Look how far down the list our 100 game KPF is

100 games mostly plonked in the forward 50 and never kicked more than 4 goals in a game.

Harry Mackay kicked 4 in his 3rd game

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So he’s obviously better than Hipwood, Hawkins and Daniher? In fact this shows he’s a much better player than Hawkins right?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:55 pm 
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Bluesman44 wrote:
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Positives - We are a young team...green shoots.
Negatives - Opposition were younger......again!


They had 14 Premiership players in their team.

Stick the boots in if it makes you feel happy.

Not having a go at you Surrey.
It doesn't make us feel happy but we can't keep hiding behind excuses like having kids playing. These premiership players from the dogs that you refer to weren't enough to stop them missing the finals last year or the poor start they have had to the season this year, have they?


So they are not Premiership Players? The whole 14 of them? Doggies have proven players on their list, that's my point. AND that is an advantage over our kids.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:57 pm 
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smithy wrote:
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Positives - We are a young team...green shoots.
Negatives - Opposition were younger......again!


They had 14 Premiership players in their team.

Stick the boots in if it makes you feel happy.

Not having a go at you Surrey.


Have some inside info on doggies, they are not a cohesive club atm they are in internal crisis.
We got them at their worst and we never looked like it. We kicked 8 goals. It is not good enough full stop.


It didn't stop them playing well.

Doggies took a lot of risks that came off,or played with supreme confidence and it showed.

If we got the Doggies in the first 4 rounds when it looked l something wasnt right then we would ve got hem at their lowest.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:14 pm 
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Just a terrible game of football. Dogs were bad, Carlton worse.

In the last quarter The Dogs stopped and we weren't good enough to take advantage. Our use of the ball by foot and hand is substandard, a decent side would have smashed The Dogs.

On the train home I heard a Dogs supporter say to a Carlton supporter sitting near by that the game was barely VFA standard. VFA? Well it certainly wasn't AFL standard and I reckon that there'd be plenty of VFL teams that would beat us.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:52 pm 
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We come up against a side that is 18 months younger ,average 15 games less experienced. Returning from Perth with one less days break and massive behind scenes issues at the club and lose.
We are now 0 -6 the worst start to a season in 151 years .
There needs to be accountability for this.
The current administration including Bolton and SOS have taken this club and sent them so far behind the rest of the comp we will struggle to ever catch up.
This rebuild or reset or whatever you want to call it is a total fukcup.
There are no positives to this

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You forgot we had 11 premiership players to 1. ;-)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:56 pm 
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jim wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We come up against a side that is 18 months younger ,average 15 games less experienced. Returning from Perth with one less days break and massive behind scenes issues at the club and lose.
We are now 0 -6 the worst start to a season in 151 years .
There needs to be accountability for this.
The current administration including Bolton and SOS have taken this club and sent them so far behind the rest of the comp we will struggle to ever catch up.
This rebuild or reset or whatever you want to call it is a total fukcup.
There are no positives to this

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SOS has done ok. We're picking well after the first round for the first time ever. Team selection is a disgrace, no conception of the modern game whatsoever. We play like we have no clue how the modern game is played. One of the most important aspects of the modern game is run out of the half back line. Most of our defenders are 6 foot 900 inches. We have no run, no spread. When you move the ball quickly you'd be surprised how skills improve.

We have Casboult, McKay and Curnow, why do we need to pick SOS.


6 foot 900 inches? Why aren’t we just hand balling to each other at roof level? Unbeatable.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:59 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
[quote="Sydney Blue"]When your teams book ends are Levi and Liam

There is your starting point for your problems.
Both football players with no footy smarts whose bad errors far out way their good stuff. And the club has kept them
It says everything about where we are at.

The rest of the players with the exception of Cripps are all gunners.
That is their all gunner be good
Lord help us

As Clarko said some clubs play their Grand Final in November.
Carlton are November champions

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Not this usual rubbish again?

Casboult had:
10 possessions. 5 contested!!!
6 marks.
6 score involvements (we only had 19 scores total! So he's been involved in 30% of our scores!!) )
Kicked 2.3 with one perfect set shot and one that missed by a cm.
Two perfect leads that weren't honoured which would have been shots for 30m out in front.

What did he do wrong?
Opening line
10 possessions
Never gets more never gets less.
Can you tell me the last time Casboult won a free kick from his defensive effotts in the fwd 50
Or chased down someone to create a turn over.
Fevola used to do it 2 to 3 times a game
Levi has had 100 games as a kpf and I can't recall him doing once.

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Yeah but don't just harp on the opening line and ignore the rest.

He's not Fev. Good luck being happy with any forward if Fev is the benchmark. He was a special player. Of course Casboult isn't Fev.

Let's take a straw pole of the leading full forwards in the league and compare them to Casboults averages of 10 disposals (74% efficiency) and 1 tackle if your gripe with Casboult is not enough possessions and not enough tackle pressure.

Ben Brown is leading the goal kicking with averages of 10 possessions (64%) and 1 tackle.

Lance is second (and a superstar once in a generation player) who averages 17 possession (56%) and 1 tackle.

Jeremy Cameron 15 (58%) and 1 tackle.

Tom Lynch 13 (59%) and 2 tackles

Tom Boyd 10 (67%) and 1 tackle.

Tom Hawkins 12 (61%) and 2.

Taylor Walker 12 (69%) and 1.

Not sure what you expect of Levi?
What did he do last night that was so bad?
His disposal is better than most in the league and he suffers from playing in a team with poor midfield disposal accuracy.


Hey Sydney Blue. Still waiting to hear why you think Casboult was so bad on Friday night?

Let's take a quick look at the games so far this weekend in light of your opinion that our troubles start with Casboult And Liam.

Disposals. Efficiency. Goals.
Casboult - 10, 70%, 2.3
Lynch - 10, 90%, 0.0
Walker - 11, 55%, 2.2
Tom Boyd - 13, 76%, 1.3
Dixon - 16, 62%, 1.1
Patton - 16, 81%, 0.1.

I agree we have been disappointing. I've left every game feeling annoyed and upset. But you can't keep potting everybody in sight and being SO negative about everything. Give us a couple of positives. What can we hang our hat on?
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_goal_kickers?year=2018&type=A&sort=goals


Look how far down the list our 100 game KPF is

100 games mostly plonked in the forward 50 and never kicked more than 4 goals in a game.

Harry Mackay kicked 4 in his 3rd game

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk[/quote]Check your stats please. I recall him kicking 7 against the drug cheats

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:05 pm 
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Check your stats please. I recall him kicking 7 against the drug cheats

Only kicked 6.6 against Essendon* in his entire career (9 games).

His best is four which he’s done five times.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:18 pm 
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We keep going around and around in Levi circles here.

Is he great? No. Is he good? He's played 100 games in a very poor era. Should he be better? Yes. Should we? YES.

But the error is not his. It's the CLubs. How can we not have replaced him through all of these drafts and all of these other players on the list over the past decade? That's the issue.

Someone like Levi should have probably been lucky to hit 50 games.

Instead he has hit 100 and good on him. HE has, statistically, clearly improved in recent years - 34 goals last year was a top effort, particularly given how rubbish our mids are.

Be thankful we have him.

Hope we can replace him.

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Check your stats please. I recall him kicking 7 against the drug cheats

Only kicked 6.6 against Essendon** in his entire career (9 games).

His best is four which he’s done five times.
Sheesh, I wonder who I'm thinking of then.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:29 pm 
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It’s always a sign of how well we’re travelling or the slowness of news when threads get hijacked by the topic of Levi Casboult.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:21 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa time for a test of football knowledge.
You compared 6 other players to Casboult earlier in this thread.
Tell me if you were on the selection committee would you pick Casboult in front of any of them
And also if the answer to that is yes why didn't one of those club offer him a contract when he put himself on the market

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Your question isn't even close to "a test of football knowledge" but my honest answer is I wouldn't. But that doesn't make him a bad footballer or as you pathetically put it the cause of our troubles. He's a decent footballer who is in our best 22 and who's stats compare nicely against those 6 better footballers.

Still nothing positive from you by the way.

I'm starting to feel less annoyed by your blind pointless ranting and more just sorry for you.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:22 pm 
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Chitty's Finger wrote:
We keep going around and around in Levi circles here.

Is he great? No. Is he good? He's played 100 games in a very poor era. Should he be better? Yes. Should we? YES.

But the error is not his. It's the CLubs. How can we not have replaced him through all of these drafts and all of these other players on the list over the past decade? That's the issue.

Someone like Levi should have probably been lucky to hit 50 games.

Instead he has hit 100 and good on him. HE has, statistically, clearly improved in recent years - 34 goals last year was a top effort, particularly given how rubbish our mids are.

Be thankful we have him.

Hope we can replace him.


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9 Bontempelli
8 P Cripps
7 Macrae
4 L Hunter
2 Fisher

At the completion of round 6, Tom Mitchell (33 votes) has a narrow lead over Steele Sidebottom (31 votes). Max Gawn and Dustin Martin (29 votes), and Trent Cotchin, Patrick Cripps and Nat Fyfe (28 votes) are breathing down their necks.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:51 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
In all the talk about “The Dogzzz are yunger den da Blooooz”, has anyone had a closer look at comparing our 24-28 year old brigade vs their’s in terms of quality?

I’d wager that there’s a bit of a gulf there


Exactly. I'd take our 18-23 group any day

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