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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:50 pm 
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Ken Hunter

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Went to the game.
If we lose Cripps I will give away footy.
Why do we continue to kick the ball sideways and turn it over?
We can't hit a handball target from 5 metres away.
At least I don't have to go next week, I will just watch it on TV.
Seeing Gibbs, Jacobs and Betts destroy us is going to be awesome.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:57 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Fisher very good again.

Marchbank didn't look fit. Kennedy didn't move that well.

Better get Cripps some help.

Draft has to focus on mids who win their own ball.


Yep. Saw the same.
Kennedy couldn't turn and accelerate.
I hope it was because he was not right.
Would like to see his round 1 form again.

A FA or two and an extra preseason, add Docherty, Murph should help Cripps.
Kennedy is the one recruited to help him out, playing as a bull who wins his own ball.
Kennedy was a liability tonight, from the get go.
Rest him.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:58 pm 
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Some of our handballing skills are awful. Maybe we should just go the Bulldogs route and throw it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:00 am 
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Cunningham, Garlett and LeBois for Mullet, OShea and SOJ.

I agree with that.

However, more likely we'll get:

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Bolton: I’m really hopeful on Kreuzer and Weitering being available next week.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:12 am 
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choo wrote:
Lost at selection. Way too tall. Way too slow.
Every other team is going fast and small we had no speed at Etihad. WTF
I understand how many better players we were missing but our team balance was Rubbish.


Our speed stopped after our first 20 minutes full pelt against Premiers in Round 1.

Pickett and Garlett are our speedstars missing, Murphy goes OK, he's quick too.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:17 am 
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That was horrible. How can so many players be so lacking in basic skills. Too many players going backwards. Stodgy game plan.... backwards sideways over and again followed by schoolkids style turnover. Thomas running thru middle in last, instead of kicking on left he tries a cute banana pass to two dogs. Never try to kick it long to a forwards advantage. We are miles away. Unwatchable. If Kennedy is fit then he is the slowest player I've ever seen. If he is not fit why do we keep picking him. We are a rabble and have gone backwards. Plowman SPS Silvagni weitering have all gone backwards. Hard to see us winning anything. Felt like a ten goal loss.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:20 am 
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verbs wrote:
killpies wrote:
choo wrote:
Lost at selection. Way too tall. Way too slow.
Every other team is going fast and small we had no speed at Etihad. WTF
I understand how many better players we were missing but our team balance was Rubbish.

QFT


Which Bullants players would you have brought in this week so we didn’t lose at selection?


Etihad you need speed
Dogs had 4 tall
Rowe or Jones out for Shaw
Jack for LeBois
O’Shea for cuningham
Garlett for plowman
Garlett Wright lebois all forward
With Levi Harry Charlie

Only tall dog forward was Boyd. Could actually have given him to Marchbank
Didn’t know he was going to have a shocker

I know Garlett didn’t deserve to stsy and Rowe or Jones didn’t deserve to get dropped buy you have to set the team with the best chance to win
It’s horses for courses

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:20 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Fisher very good again.

Marchbank didn't look fit. Kennedy didn't move that well.

Better get Cripps some help.

Draft has to focus on mids who win their own ball.


Yep. Saw the same.
Kennedy couldn't turn and accelerate.
I hope it was because he was not right.
Would like to see his round 1 form again.

A FA or two and an extra preseason, add Docherty, Murph should help Cripps.
Kennedy is the one recruited to help him out, playing as a bull who wins his own ball.
Kennedy was a liability tonight, from the get go.
Rest him.

He's playing the Luke Ball role for us. Had the lowest time on ground of any Carlton player but was still equal first on the ground for pressure acts with 25 and second among Carlton players for tackles with 8. Provided a lot of the grunt which helped Cripps be as dominant as he was.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:24 am 
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Mullet is like the ghost of Princes park.

I get that he is playing a defensive role but you never see him, even with that ridiculous tatt.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:37 am 
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It is a sad state of affairs, I am genuinely embarrassed to be a Carlton supporter.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:19 am 
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Did Bolton mention at the press conference that we may get Kruezer and Weitering back next week? Great, that's all we need, another ruckman and another tall defender.

Where are the mids????? I know the cupboard is bare but Garlett, Cunningham and maybe even Polson should have played.

As stated in the pre game thread the team selection didn't seem to have the right balance, lacked pace and to many talls.

Plowman, Rowe, Jones and Marchbank not much pace there.

McKay, Silvagni, Casboult and Wright not much pressure or pace to lock the ball in.

Basic skill level is embarrassing, twice our tall backs spoiled each other - comedy stuff really.

Crap style of footy, we work so hard for our goals, it's more random than set play.

Despite all of the above we lost by 21 points.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:22 am 
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Pros:

Cripps
Fisher
Thomas
McKay
Curnow

Cons:

Same as last week and the week before and the week before and the same as next week


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:39 am 
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i get that we're rebuilding, but this is farcical stuff. a big step backwards from last year's application, commitment and execution.

at some point as we continue this trajectory (we've opened the season on 0-6), accountability for the drop off must be taken by someone at the club, yeah? Bolton clearly isn't going to take any. his pressers are all rinse and repeat, "green shoots, first proper rebuild, kids take time,".

what about the fact we've taken a big step back from last year, and there are multiple players on our list who have personally taken big steps back from last year and their rookie seasons?

so the board? line coaches getting the chop? scouts? development team? the lack of leadership & silence from the board is stunning, but expected.

who is on our matchday committee and at the selection table? i propose if anyone on it has been there for 2 years or more they get removed. they are so out of touch with modern footy. our list is crap and way under the level, but it's also too slow and too tall. at least bring in crap smaller players with run and chop out our crap bigger players to add some balance. and this problem has been prevalent since the phillips and kruezer in the same squad days.

rowe
plowman
marchbank
& jones is a calamitous backline. no run or disposal to get us out of trouble, and not quick enough to have any bearing on defence once they're dragged upfield and turned around.

Oshea and Mullet are not afl standard, and don't have the tools to ever be.

Then we have Mckay, Cas and phiilips which is one tall too many. for ruck & the resting forward role. Swap one with the closest thing to a small forward we have at the club.

Silvagni is the elephant in the room. so much hype was made of him entering the league, now that he's been shown to be plum average with no x factor – of which forwards his size in the modern game need an abundance of – what do we do with him? 6 rounds in, we haven't won and he's standing as possibly our biggest passenger so far.


this is going to be our longest and hardest season in 151 of them. and at some point there needs to be some accountibility within the club for taking a considerable step backwards from last season. bcos right now we're not building, we're sliding.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:45 am 
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The backline functioned well last year with Dale Amos coaching. I understand we've lost Docherty but perhaps returning Amos to backline coach may return a bit of stability.
I'd like to know what Barkers influence is as "strategy" coach. Some of our strategies this season have been questionable.

Let's hope some players stand up for the NB's today. A good game from LeBois, Cuningham and Lang would be handy.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:51 am 
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All of the above
The Magoos didn’t play last week
Which doesn’t help but why not play Cunningham and
Give Le Bois a run
The selection process continues to mystify me
Kennedy and Marchbank clearly shouldn’t of played

I got the feeling Bolton is a good people person but lacks footy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:52 am 
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verbs wrote:
Centenaryblue wrote:
Marchbank and Kennedy didn't look fully fit to me. Marchbank is definitely better than that display.

In hindsight we didn't gain anything this week by dropping Garlett and Lamb for those two.


Agree with that.


Maybe we didn't gain anything on the field this week but we reinforced the usual coaching messages to the dropped players that more is expected of them in the ones. Standard stuff but important.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:54 am 
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When your teams book ends are Levi and Liam

There is your starting point for your problems.
Both football players with no footy smarts whose bad errors far out way their good stuff. And the club has kept them
It says everything about where we are at.

The rest of the players with the exception of Cripps are all gunners.
That is their all gunner be good
Lord help us

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Carlton are November champions

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:00 am 
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kezza wrote:
Went to the game.
If we lose Cripps I will give away footy.
Why do we continue to kick the ball sideways and turn it over?
We can't hit a handball target from 5 metres away.
At least I don't have to go next week, I will just watch it on TV.
Seeing Gibbs, Jacobs and Betts destroy us is going to be awesome.


Our very best player by a country mile all did those things.
Kicked it sideways once in the middle when we really needed him to move it quickly to one on ones in the F50.
Missed a couple of easy handballs / 5 meters away.

He is amazing and the above is not a negative on an amazing game from him. It's to point out that we have a lot of kids in their first 1, 2 or 3rd years. We have to allow them a few mistakes.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:10 am 
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verbs wrote:
Bluesman44 wrote:
Come on. Where is Bolton at the press conference to laugh off our dismal form and effort with another series of wisecracks and cliches? No wonder the team is a joke. First time in the club's history they have a 0-6 start. History in the making.


Has he not turned up for the press conference?

I am sure he would have as he is contractually obliged to do so by the AFL. What I meant was that, I was wondering if he would be at the press conference treating it as light (or seemingly so) as he did a couple of weeks ago, when he made light of our situation by citing excuses and cliches.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:11 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
When your teams book ends are Levi and Liam

There is your starting point for your problems.
Both football players with no footy smarts whose bad errors far out way their good stuff. And the club has kept them
It says everything about where we are at.

The rest of the players with the exception of Cripps are all gunners.
That is their all gunner be good
Lord help us

As Clarko said some clubs play their Grand Final in November.
Carlton are November champions

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Not this usual rubbish again?

Casboult had:
10 possessions. 5 contested!!!
6 marks.
6 score involvements (we only had 19 scores total! So he's been involved in 30% of our scores!!) )
Kicked 2.3 with one perfect set shot and one that missed by a cm.
Two perfect leads that weren't honoured which would have been shots for 30m out in front.

What did he do wrong?


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