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diesel_85
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:12 pm 
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Yes the result was slightly closer, but those saying they are happy with the result are kidding themselves. Any other side in the comp would have won that game.
For too long this club has settled for a 'good effort'. Time for line in the sand.
The club can no longer settle for good efforts.
These losses need to hurt

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kezza
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Just home from the game. Have to be pleased with that effort, some stupid mistakes and turn overs killed us.
Fisher is a little ripper, Dow and O"Brien were both good, McKay was super.
Cripps is a super star, as if we didn't know.
The crowd, although not huge, were very encouraging.
Hope McKay gets a RS nomination.
Much better effort.
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kennyhunter
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:17 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
A 10 point loss and no injuries. I think I would have taken that going in.....

We were harder to play against tonight. With the team we fielded, that’s significant.

As tough as it is at the moment, I am able to differentiate our current situation from Carlton sides of 2002-2015. Fisher, Charlie, Dow, LOB, SPS, Harry. I can’t remember us ever having such a good collection of under 21s. It’s worth going to the footy just to watch them. Backing it up week after week is too much to ask of them at this point, and it will keep being a roller coaster ride for the rest of the season, but nobody at the G tonight could say those guys don’t have bright futures.

Cripps, take a bow. Please stick with us!

I can’t remember Phillips, Kerridge or Thomas playing better games for Carlton.

Garlett needs to watch he doesn’t get a reputation as a squib.

It’s hard to understand why we didn’t play Cunningham or Macreadie instead of O’Shea. Would it have changed the result? No. Would we have lost by more? Unlikely. I wonder if those 2 are in the dog house for some reason?


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Crippa
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:23 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
jim wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
Phillips was better than Kreuzer
Phillips will never be better than Krueuer. Just in while Kreuzer is injured. Liked his 6 tackles though so he did dig in.


Horses for courses, That was better against Naitanui than i remember Kruezer ever doing.

I do have a shit memory though.

I would rest Kreuzer against the big leaping rucks and play Phillips in those games.
Tonight was the beginning of the end of Casboult.
As soon as Kruez is fit it will be Phillips and Kruez
Harry showed Levi what kicking straight means
Levi is now history

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Casboult kicked 2.0 dead straight through the middle.
80% efficiency.
5 score involvements.
6 marks.
All while playing backup ruck against Nic Nat.

Talk about blindly ignoring facts to stick to your same predictable negative stuff :clap:


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Heavs
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:26 pm 
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Yeah I am not a casboult fan but he was v good tonight

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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:30 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Yes the result was slightly closer, but those saying they are happy with the result are kidding themselves. Any other side in the comp would have won that game.
For too long this club has settled for a 'good effort'. Time for line in the sand.
The club can no longer settle for good efforts.
These losses need to hurt


Happy with the effort isn’t the same as happy. At least for me.

It’s going to take time, from today’s showing I can see a way forward. Obviously we need it to develop into wins at some stage but considering how we played last week and who we had out I am encouraged.

Funny how our best 2 performances have come against the best 2 sides we have played. Seem to perform better when they feel no pressure, which is a problem
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:31 pm 
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Good to finally see some attempted shepherds.
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dablues
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:31 pm 
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Westtoast 8/10 goals in red time.
Only 2 for us, Harry's in q4.

Take away red time goals and poor decision/execution and we win easy. How many times we had a loose man but could not get it to them due to poor disposal.
O'Shea several times, mullet always goes backwards when there are options forward, Liam the beast missed some easy options going forward too.

Don't start me on not paying the holding the ball...how many times.....

Dow good early, fisher very very good no fear the little beast and wasn't it great seeing Harry take marks around the ground and up front the 4 goals were a bonus.

Spoke to A.Silvani after the game and told him to hurry back, he and Rowe will make a difference to our young defence, it was obvious how much Rowe helped today, we easily won the big man battle today, both ends.
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Taff
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:33 pm 
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jim wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Better effort cant ask for more than that
Not before time
Mckay stays
Is Fisher eligible for NRS
Casboult is a lazy footballer
Phillips stays in
We are killing Cripps
Late time goals killed us


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Not sure Phillips stays in. Just the 6 touches, need more than that, although he was competitive in the ruck itself and did lay 6 tackles. No room for two ruckmen.


Really? I thought he was very good. Great competitor, got around the ground, a couple of good marks worked hard at the throw ins.

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rhys87
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:34 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
Good to finally see some attempted shepherds.


Mullet still hasn't got the memo
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:45 pm 
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Liked Bolts presser: came out of his shell again and really clear about where we are at.
Helps that the players gave him a bit more this week.
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Braithy
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spewing i missed the game. 10 pt loss, i thought we'd get done by 10-15 goals.

good to hear Dow had a good game, and harry sounds legit.


I'm not sure murph should hand over the captaincy just yet. cripps is ready to lead on the field, but all that peripheral off the field crap will just be a distraction for him at this point. next season, though. look out.
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diesel_85 wrote:
Yes the result was slightly closer, but those saying they are happy with the result are kidding themselves. Any other side in the comp would have won that game.
For too long this club has settled for a 'good effort'. Time for line in the sand.
The club can no longer settle for good efforts.
These losses need to hurt


Just because I liked what I got doesn’t mean I got all that I like.

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jim
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:01 pm 
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Taff wrote:
jim wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Better effort cant ask for more than that
Not before time
Mckay stays
Is Fisher eligible for NRS
Casboult is a lazy footballer
Phillips stays in
We are killing Cripps
Late time goals killed us


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Not sure Phillips stays in. Just the 6 touches, need more than that, although he was competitive in the ruck itself and did lay 6 tackles. No room for two ruckmen.


Really? I thought he was very good. Great competitor, got around the ground, a couple of good marks worked hard at the throw ins.


Despite a good game, very competitive, still only got 6 touches, Kreuzer triples that. We can't play them both. Not possible with McKay and Casboult too. If Kreuzer plays Phillips spends alot of time up forward, which isn't a great thing, especially with McKay and Casboult there too. Remember what a disaster it was in 2016 with we played both Kreuzer and Phillips? Both struggled big time. Kreuzer lone ruck, different player.

Phillips certainly a decent back-up but hard to play him when Kreuzer's fit.
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Donstuie
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:14 pm 
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Today was the first time we had no #1 pick on the field for about 10 years.

Somehow I got the feeling the baggage of this, and what Murph and Kreuz bring with them from their years of being smashed, was absent today.

I can't put my finger on it, but it felt like "the next generation" of Carlton today.

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jim
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:17 pm 
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Bolton: "I'm glad I succumbed to the pressure to play McKay"...lol.
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Centenaryblue
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:30 pm 
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I so thought we would get thrashed.

Pros:
Rowe provided the backline leadership we've been missing.
Phillips gave us a strong ruck presence.
Cripps showed some real on field leadership.
Fisher is going to be better than Murphy.
Those last two goals from McKay were elite.
Dow and O'Brien showed plenty.

Biggest pro is that we had a red hot crack at it. We've got a few young blokes who really want to win.
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bender
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:30 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Disappointed with the loss (and that it wouldn’t have been so if not for junk time goals and costly errors at the worst times) but damn proud.

Tonight was the beginning of a new era
- No Murphy or Kreuz
- No #1 picks full-stop
- A KPF who looks the part
- The emergence of a new potential captain
- A bunch of kids who clearly had had enough of being bullied and let down by their senior counterparts

Maybe I’m overstating it, but I sensed resolve out there I haven’t sensed in a while.


excellent observations as always Don

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CK95
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:48 pm 
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Had a feeling we wouldn't get thrashed if we had a real dip, which we did.

That said I think the better side won. They just looked a bit better when they were out & streaming forward, wheras we always seem a bit shocked to be sitting here when it's our turn.

Pros:

- Dow showed his class on a few occasions. His best game.

- Harry well done. Haven't seen the replay but would've liked to see him clean that bloke up in the 3rd I think it was.

- Jones' spoiling was really good I thought

- Crowd not too bad, thought we'd only get about 20k

Cons:

- We often scramble a panic kick out of defence which gets marked by them at 50. Happens a lot

- The crucial game killer moments. O'Shea's dropped chest mark, Plowman dropped mark, SPS kick to them, Plowman for some reason grabbing Le Cras by the jumper

- Not sure if he was playing as a defensive or what but Wright was very quiet again. I like him but that's 2 in a row

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frank dardew
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Pros
Obrien Dow Harry

Tackling with much more vigour and purpose

Didn't give in like last week

Curnows -ed and Charlie

Cripps
Fisher
Rowe
Casboult

Cons
We continue to invent ways of giving the ball back

We continue to get it into the forward and find ways not to score
Our bottom 6 players are terribly unskillful

Surely there is someone better more promising than Simon White OShea
His disposal and decision making is worse than Simon white

The hysteria about Nic Nat almost more overhyped than Cyril

5 losses in a row

Can't kick a score
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