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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:14 am 
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dane wrote:
Venting threads. Full of stupid.


Can you please provide a scorecard Dane (number of thumbs up out of 10) for each poster

I await your mid-thread report on the 'fullness of stupid'

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:16 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bolts
Don’t play Lamb Mullett
Can’t play Kennedy and Cripps
Too slow
Kennedy is a bad pick up watched him last night
He isn’t that tough besides being too slow
I wonder if SOS’s stubbornness in
Giving so many GWS guys he recruited
A second chance is a massive backfire
Play kids please Bolts
Play Cuningham in the middle
Bring in Schumacher Soj and play McKay
Change things up

But don’t worry the mc won’t go down
That path if history’s anything to go by


I agree with most of this but writing off Kennedy after 5 qtrs is a tiny bit over the top
Not sure he was completely over his injury last night
He will give us the luxury of allowing Cripps to spend long periods forward long term ( when we finally assemble a @#$%&! midfield!)

Kennedy was getting swarmed last night whenever he went near it too. Had a clear role as an extractor and had 3-5 Collingwood players around him every time he picked the ball up with a heap of Carlton players outside waiting for a handball.
Collingwood had heaps of players around the contest and were able to use chains of handballs to work their way out of trouble all night.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:18 am 
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The dilemma we face now is the possibility that heavy defeats will demoralise this team and stunt the growth of our younger players

Not having a good core of senior experienced players has come back to bite us

Releasing Gibbs may have bigger consequences than we first imagined


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:20 am 
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Either we've recruited the dumbest group of players in each draft, or they can't follow his gameplan.

Bring back Barks!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:22 am 
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Ed at least cuts through the bullshit
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018- ... -ed-curnow


Very impressive young man


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:30 am 
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How about when the other team bomb it to 70-80m out a pack forms and our last tall defender decides to crash the pack from behind and takes down the whole pack including our entire defense but misses the ball and it goes over the back. Opposition (happens every week) stream into fifty with teammates everywhere..


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:38 am 
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club29 wrote:
How about when the other team bomb it to 70-80m out a pack forms and our last tall defender decides to crash the pack from behind and takes down the whole pack including our entire defense but misses the ball and it goes over the back. Opposition (happens every week) stream into fifty with teammates everywhere..


True C29, sick and tired watching 3 or 4 Carlton defenders trying to impact the long ball coming in against 1 or 2 opposition forwards. As a result the opposition have so many forward options - dumb bloody football. As stated by someone else it's obvious the opposition just wait for us to turn it over and then we get punished on the way back.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:39 am 
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WOW wrote:
The dilemma we face now is the possibility that heavy defeats will demoralise this team and stunt the growth of our younger players

Not having a good core of senior experienced players has come back to bite us

Releasing Gibbs may have bigger consequences than we first imagined


Bingo.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:46 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
WOW wrote:
The dilemma we face now is the possibility that heavy defeats will demoralise this team and stunt the growth of our younger players

Not having a good core of senior experienced players has come back to bite us

Releasing Gibbs may have bigger consequences than we first imagined


Bingo.


Obviously we would be better with Gibbs but let's face it we were just as bad with him. Terrible losing culture.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:55 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Until the club fixes the skill level it won't matter if they have the greatest game plan any Coach ever invented.

Collingwood didn't have to win the ball, it just waited for us to give it back to them 3 or 4 touches down the park. Either that or wait until the ball was kicked to 3 on 1 to poor Charlie and then just rebound from Half Back.

Out skills are deplorable. Just when we get on a roll and move the ball forward through the middle, 1 of the 22 can't hit the side or a barn by hand or foot. Then woosh, turnover, and a goal chance imminent.

It is so, so disheartening to watch over and over.

It is a sorry, sad state of affairs. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:02 am 
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I think we are failing structurally by playing too many mostly inexperienced and very light bodied players at once. Makes us weaker in the physical contests but just as importantly means less optimum leading marking targets.

Jones made some bad mistakes today, but also some great intercepts. Got badly caught on turnovers due to shite disposal mostly from the other defenders. I liked the way he looked after Weitering.
That's the way I saw it

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:03 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Until the club fixes the skill level it won't matter if they have the greatest game plan any Coach ever invented.

Collingwood didn't have to win the ball, it just waited for us to give it back to them 3 or 4 touches down the park. Either that or wait until the ball was kicked to 3 on 1 to poor Charlie and then just rebound from Half Back.

Out skills are deplorable. Just when we get on a roll and move the ball forward through the middle, 1 of the 22 can't hit the side or a barn by hand or foot. Then woosh, turnover, and a goal chance imminent.

It is so, so disheartening to watch over and over.

It is a sorry, sad state of affairs. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Regards Cazzesman


Couldn't agree more. So what did they do all pre season?

Right now I'm so depressed that we find ourselves in this position, again.

Feel like we're destined to be perennial cellar dwellers and have lost faith in this rebuild.
Don't agree

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:03 am 
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Blue4ever wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
WOW wrote:
The dilemma we face now is the possibility that heavy defeats will demoralise this team and stunt the growth of our younger players

Not having a good core of senior experienced players has come back to bite us

Releasing Gibbs may have bigger consequences than we first imagined


Bingo.


Obviously we would be better with Gibbs but let's face it we were just as bad with him. Terrible losing culture.
I love this revisionist history about Gibbs being this great, hard-working leader.

This is a guy who for the best part of 10 years was regarded here as almost the exact opposite.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:04 am 
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Quick question....

without looking at the stats...wen seem to have a
habit of getting pantsed in the 2nd quarter a lot...!

do you guys think this goes back to the Pagan
days...what's wrong...?


kindest regards tommi




a good mate and I have been discussing
this all morning...we're confused....!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:07 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Ed at least cuts through the bullshit
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018- ... -ed-curnow



Ed gets my vote as outright captain. ditch the leadership group mentality, it's too many cooks cooking the one chook. make Ed captain, he leads by example and with intelligence. he understands the game and identifies where we fall short and who's falling short.

that would be a start.



another note on last night. the amount of times BT and Ling identified our brain fades in the back 50 allowing easy collingwood marks, is a sign of two things.

poor fitness, players can't think their way out of trouble when they're gassed.
poor understanding of the gaemplan which is a chicken and egg scenario.

are the coaching staff not explaining it and delivering their message effectively? or are the playing group – as a whole – a collective bunch of peanuts who would struggle to tie their own shoelaces upon instruction?

afl really isn't rocket maths. i can't see what is so hard to comprehend here. fill a space or take a man, keep your eyes on the ball. never, ever turn your back on it.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:08 am 
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We also get 100 points or over kicked against us on a regular basis

3 out of 3 in 2018

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:13 am 
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Sin City wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bolts
Don’t play Lamb Mullett
Can’t play Kennedy and Cripps
Too slow
Kennedy is a bad pick up watched him last night
He isn’t that tough besides being too slow
I wonder if SOS’s stubbornness in
Giving so many GWS guys he recruited
A second chance is a massive backfire
Play kids please Bolts
Play Cuningham in the middle
Bring in Schumacher Soj and play McKay
Change things up

But don’t worry the mc won’t go down
That path if history’s anything to go by


I agree with most of this but writing off Kennedy after 5 qtrs is a tiny bit over the top
Not sure he was completely over his injury last night
He will give us the luxury of allowing Cripps to spend long periods forward long term ( when we finally assemble a @#$%&! midfield!)

Kennedy was getting swarmed last night whenever he went near it too. Had a clear role as an extractor and had 3-5 Collingwood players around him every time he picked the ball up with a heap of Carlton players outside waiting for a handball.
Collingwood had heaps of players around the contest and were able to use chains of handballs to work their way out of trouble all night.
The strategy every team will use against us this year... Try and break through the tackler.... And it will work

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:26 am 
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Basically we got to done on contested possessions.
After the first 15 minutes, Collingwood switched to a 'play through at any cost'
The worry is we took an entire quarter to tighten up.
Kruezer, Cripps, Kennedy all restricted in movement... The ball eventually went to a Fisher, Polson, SPS who either couldn't break a tackle or lay one.
That's a size thing... It will change (won't change for Murphy)

That's how I saw the dominance change. Then they had 'free' players everywhere who would run and also break tackles.

No surprise Sidebottom got the number of possessions he did with that strategy... No surprise Grundy did too... and Cripps spent so much time up forward....(also bigger bodies dominated for us)
Anyway... Really disappointing BUT...

PROS

Cunningham was good,
Fisher, a gun
Dow can kick, he has to break the 'nerves' when he's on... may happen after his first goal
Poulson.. See above

Someone said it may help to bring back Kerridge, kind of agree... Need stronger bodies around the contest.... AND we need to switch play quicker

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:50 am 
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bluedog wrote:
More leading forwards please.

More players who can kick it to leading forwards please.


This ^

Our game plan cant be bombing it to no one except 4 opposition defenders set up nicely to stop any attempt our one lone forward has.

So many forward entries in our stats are junk due to being bombed in and then rebounded out so fast we are clueless to what just happened.

Oh... and tackling. Its kinda important. Lets do that too


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:42 am 
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GMCbris wrote:
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More leading forwards please.

More players who can kick it to leading forwards please.


This ^

Our game plan cant be bombing it to no one except 4 opposition defenders set up nicely to stop any attempt our one lone forward has.

So many forward entries in our stats are junk due to being bombed in and then rebounded out so fast we are clueless to what just happened.

Oh... and tackling. Its kinda important. Lets do that too


The strangest part is that come round 1 we drop our biggest game plan assets - big forwards and lead up forwards. SOJ and McKay playing gave Charlie and Cassy support and us greater options kicking into F50. BTW - That is our game plan; kick long into our f50.

So we go and do the opposite and expect players like Thomas, Lamb, Wright to win balls out the back and young Charlie to take all the contested marks. Problem is, neither of those three have any pace and we are tuned to kick long to a contested area...........strange coaching!


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