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Author: | smithy [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
You could add Gary Ablett Snr and Tony Lockett in their prime into our forward line with little difference in outcome.. we would still get pumped every week. Unless that midfield gets a whole better; moves the ball quicker and finds some aggression, it does not matter who is down forward there, they stand little chance against 3-4 defenders minimum. |
Author: | SurreyBlue [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
sticksaftersiren87 wrote: We did overpay for McGovern. Probably that last 2nd rd for a 2019 3rd over. He was worth a 2nd and mcadam I reckon, considering he was contracted. This. |
Author: | Trigger [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
SurreyBlue wrote: sticksaftersiren87 wrote: We did overpay for McGovern. Probably that last 2nd rd for a 2019 3rd over. He was worth a 2nd and mcadam I reckon, considering he was contracted. This. Lets all have a LAUGH!! |
Author: | 99prelim [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Adelaide paid overs for Gibbs We paid slightly overs for McGovern Shrewd business sense...next time a deal needs to be done with Adel, they will be more prepared to work through the trade rather than stubbornly and maybe irrationally walk away from any negotiations cause they were burned twice We need to be seen as shrewd, decisive and strong negotiators who are prepared to also work with the third party, not overtly against them |
Author: | Clayman [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
99prelim wrote: Adelaide paid overs for Gibbs People keep saying that but didn't they give us 10 and 15 and we returned 19 in this years draft. I think Adelaide did very well. |
Author: | cecil89 [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:15 pm ] |
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Clayman wrote: 99prelim wrote: Adelaide paid overs for Gibbs People keep saying that but didn't they give us 10 and 15 and we returned 19 in this years draft. I think Adelaide did very well. 10, 16 & 28 for Gibbs, 21 & 40 *across 2 drafts. Or, if I’m getting all the details right: Gibbs, 2017 pick 40, 2018 pick 21, 2018 pick 40 and McAdam. for O’Brien, Kennedy, DeKoning, McGovern and Crows 2019 3rd round pick. |
Author: | acr [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:46 am ] |
Post subject: | List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18 |
Paddycripps wrote: we will now have three genuine tall targets up there. Cannot recall the last time Carlton had such a set up. Whitnall, Hamill and Beaumont? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Author: | rhino27 [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
acr wrote: Paddycripps wrote: we will now have three genuine tall targets up there. Cannot recall the last time Carlton had such a set up. Whitnall, Hamill and Beaumont? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Kreuzer, Warnock and Hampson? |
Author: | Lace Out [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:13 am ] |
Post subject: | List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18 |
Kernahan, Spalding, Pearce. Whitnall, Fevola was a pretty good duo for a short period. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk |
Author: | bondiblue [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Lace Out wrote: Kernahan, Spalding, Pearce. Whitnall, Fevola was a pretty good duo for a short period. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk During that short period, around 1999 there was also Hamill with lance and Fev. They were young, tough and awesome. They should have played the next 5-6 years together. |
Author: | robertbb [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Lace Out wrote: Kernahan, Spalding, Pearce. I'm getting that kind of vibe with Charlie, McK and McG. |
Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:53 am ] |
Post subject: | List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18 |
bondiblue wrote: Lace Out wrote: Kernahan, Spalding, Pearce. Whitnall, Fevola was a pretty good duo for a short period. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk During that short period, around 1999 there was also Hamill with lance and Fev. They were young, tough and awesome. They should have played the next 5-6 years together. The 2000 setup was great up forward. Remember we had Lappin and Hickmott as well. Then there was Kouta to wonder down there as well. |
Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18 |
keogh wrote: There is always speculation Will Fasolo turn it around McAdam is that sort of Fasolo type player Is younger than Fasolo But unproven at AFL The SANFL is a shit standard All these things are part of the equation If you look at McGoverns output it’s not that great We don’t need another player like him We need mids Stands out like a sore thumb Some amazing highlights buts that’s it As I said it’s panic The club don’t want to wait any longer The club was in a bit of shock with some of the efforts this year The Fremantle first half in Melbourne The Brisbane game The GWS game It’s the short term fix Guys it doesn’t work If The recruiting staff are any good we would have got at least one decent mid from the 20s and greater depth if we had kept both of them Look at MCGoverns output It isn’t that impressive Carlton have not adapted to how you build a premiership team since the draft and salary cap took full effect 20 years ago Posters here give examples of teams getting star players for draft picks Don’t forget that these teams were better than we are now By a long way despite a change in off field personnel the club continues to be inpatient We need more depth in the middle and build are list with kids The AFL offer us some help and we piss it up the wall With freebies from the lower leagues McAdam may be a dud McGovern may be a star There may be no good mids after pick 25 If it’s the opposite then the people in charge at Carlton should just @#$%&! off Because mistakes aren’t learnt from There is no 100% way of doing things, you are looking at things too much in black and white. We have a lot of kids on our list, but literally no one decent older than Docherty and younger than Ed Curnow, which is where most sides core exists. As you mentioned Newman is a good pickup and will be a definite upgrade on Oshite, Mullett and Shaw. Setterfield looks a sound deal, and worth the risk. Fasolo i disagree being a poor deal, he’s proven he can play at an above average AFL level and fills a need, where we have literally 0 decent small or mid sized forwards. Also he had way more natural talent than Wright had, and we got him for nothing. McGovern was a deal we had to do, and he’s a proven above average AFL player and will ease pressure on Charlie and McKay up forward as another target. Also even though he’s a different size, this should mean we very rarely see Casboult playing, and don’t have to throw Weitering forward anymore. It’s not like every club who wins a flag had a flawless strategy in getting there. You are reimagining the past to make it seem like West Coast are geniuses in everything they did in order to get a flag. 7 months ago Redden looked a bust, Jetta considered rubbish and they had no midfield. Look at any successful side and they have all had different paths getting there. Doggies sold the farm for Boyd which can’t be considered a good idea all things considered but they still got a flag. Richmond has a complete bust on Yarran but won a flag anyway. Reiminging Mayne as some shrewd genius move by the Pies is really going into another dimension, when Buckley described his whole contract as a mix up basically. Pies getting Wells can hardly be considered a success either. We can go on and on. Just seems you are fixated on nit picking anything until we start being successful on field. And at the end of the day that is what we all want, but I’m confident what we have done this off season will get us closer there, not further away. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Adam Chatfield wrote: bondiblue wrote: Lace Out wrote: Kernahan, Spalding, Pearce. Whitnall, Fevola was a pretty good duo for a short period. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk During that short period, around 1999 there was also Hamill with lance and Fev. They were young, tough and awesome. They should have played the next 5-6 years together. The 2000 setup was great up forward. Remember we had Lappin and Hickmott as well. Then there was Kouta to wonder down there as well. All goal kickers. All avenues for goal. All great options. All good marks. McKay Curnow McGovern are a taller and more mobile Forward targets. Cripps drifts down ala Kouta.... Who are the 2 small forwards other than the rotating mids such as Murphy, Fisher, SPS ? Fasolo is one for a year or two till the kids ( Polson? LeBois? Owies?) develop: not sure about the 2 former in brackets. I'm hoping the electric Pickett will be one for 5-6 years. IMO we need to find a bonafide speedy small forward incase the kids mentioned above fail/ injured. Hold great hope with Owies from the little Ive seen: strong body, tenacious, quick, intense, great runner, defensive & offensive mindset (and 22 yo in 2019) |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Adam Chatfield wrote: keogh wrote: There is always speculation Will Fasolo turn it around McAdam is that sort of Fasolo type player Is younger than Fasolo But unproven at AFL The SANFL is a shit standard All these things are part of the equation If you look at McGoverns output it’s not that great We don’t need another player like him We need mids Stands out like a sore thumb Some amazing highlights buts that’s it As I said it’s panic The club don’t want to wait any longer The club was in a bit of shock with some of the efforts this year The Fremantle first half in Melbourne The Brisbane game The GWS game It’s the short term fix Guys it doesn’t work If The recruiting staff are any good we would have got at least one decent mid from the 20s and greater depth if we had kept both of them Look at MCGoverns output It isn’t that impressive Carlton have not adapted to how you build a premiership team since the draft and salary cap took full effect 20 years ago Posters here give examples of teams getting star players for draft picks Don’t forget that these teams were better than we are now By a long way despite a change in off field personnel the club continues to be inpatient We need more depth in the middle and build are list with kids The AFL offer us some help and we piss it up the wall With freebies from the lower leagues McAdam may be a dud McGovern may be a star There may be no good mids after pick 25 If it’s the opposite then the people in charge at Carlton should just @#$%&! off Because mistakes aren’t learnt from There is no 100% way of doing things, you are looking at things too much in black and white. We have a lot of kids on our list, but literally no one decent older than Docherty and younger than Ed Curnow, which is where most sides core exists. As you mentioned Newman is a good pickup and will be a definite upgrade on Oshite, Mullett and Shaw. Setterfield looks a sound deal, and worth the risk. Fasolo i disagree being a poor deal, he’s proven he can play at an above average AFL level and fills a need, where we have literally 0 decent small or mid sized forwards. Also he had way more natural talent than Wright had, and we got him for nothing. McGovern was a deal we had to do, and he’s a proven above average AFL player and will ease pressure on Charlie and McKay up forward as another target. Also even though he’s a different size, this should mean we very rarely see Casboult playing, and don’t have to throw Weitering forward anymore. It’s not like every club who wins a flag had a flawless strategy in getting there. You are reimagining the past to make it seem like West Coast are geniuses in everything they did in order to get a flag. 7 months ago Redden looked a bust, Jetta considered rubbish and they had no midfield. Look at any successful side and they have all had different paths getting there. Doggies sold the farm for Boyd which can’t be considered a good idea all things considered but they still got a flag. Richmond has a complete bust on Yarran but won a flag anyway. Reiminging Mayne as some shrewd genius move by the Pies is really going into another dimension, when Buckley described his whole contract as a mix up basically. Pies getting Wells can hardly be considered a success either. We can go on and on. Just seems you are fixated on nit picking anything until we start being successful on field. And at the end of the day that is what we all want, but I’m confident what we have done this off season will get us closer there, not further away. Great post. Great outlook. So true. |
Author: | keogh [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
This rebuild of the last 3 years isn’t a rebuild Our or more appropriately SOS’s obsession with GWS has left us with a list that is short on talent The combination of injuries and youth were partly the reason we had our worst season in the clubs history Personally I don’t rate Plownan Kennedy Pickett Marchbank Phillips As high as others Already we can see the effects of these GWS rejects on our list with a number of them being delisted after contributing SFA to the sides”rebuild On top of this we have recruited blokes who have been spared the arse because we have already delisted close to ten players And the premature retirement of the 2 Irish Boyd Byrne is a big loss That guy could play We still have Garlett Jones Lang in our list who arnt up to it Giving Murphy a two year contract is ridiculous given the guys output in recent years and he is 32 next year Simpson along with Cripps our best player over the last 4 years has only one year left Personally I don’t rate Cuningham Looks a million dollars when he has the pill but simply doesn’t get it enough Silvangi doesn’t have the physical tools to play the game at the highest level He has been tried in every position gives it his all but in my opinion falls short Le Bois has done nothing in 2 years Thomas and Casboult arnt going to get better Kreuzer is about cooked The list still has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese and in my opinion like when the club sacked Ratten and appointed The old Prick we have over rated the list And yet bar Walsh we rule ourselves out of this draft And a fair bit of 2019 draft giving up our second round pick for Setterfield I’m not ranting for the sake of it It’s what I believe To give up good picks in the draft IMO is the wrong strategy We simply don’t recruit as well as other clubs And we don’t develop them as well as other clubs Why we don’t have a stand alone VFL team Despite all this time We will be more competitive next year with a better run with injuries But I still think we could have done better with Our trades and recruiting |
Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
Keogh, buy a fullstop. Le Bois is a rookie. Casboult was shopped around. Byrne was his decision. Murphy wasn't hanging around on a 1 yr contract. Personally, I think if you reckon anyone at the club is delusional enough to overrate our list, you're kidding yourself. |
Author: | hotspur [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:54 am ] |
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Keogh if we go by you we should close the club completely and throw in the towel .Who do you rate apart from Cripps .You appear to have a problem with our new recruits,fair enough but lets wait a year ,Ask any Adelaide supporter and they are ropeable McGovern left.I am rapt he nominated us as a club how many clubs who win 2 games a year get nominated as a club to join .I think we have recruited well but time will tell ,be positive |
Author: | jim [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
keogh wrote: This rebuild of the last 3 years isn’t a rebuild Our or more appropriately SOS’s obsession with GWS has left us with a list that is short on talent The combination of injuries and youth were partly the reason we had our worst season in the clubs history Personally I don’t rate Plownan Kennedy Pickett Marchbank Phillips As high as others Already we can see the effects of these GWS rejects on our list with a number of them being delisted after contributing SFA to the sides”rebuild On top of this we have recruited blokes who have been spared the arse because we have already delisted close to ten players And the premature retirement of the 2 Irish Boyd Byrne is a big loss That guy could play We still have Garlett Jones Lang in our list who arnt up to it Giving Murphy a two year contract is ridiculous given the guys output in recent years and he is 32 next year Simpson along with Cripps our best player over the last 4 years has only one year left Personally I don’t rate Cuningham Looks a million dollars when he has the pill but simply doesn’t get it enough Silvangi doesn’t have the physical tools to play the game at the highest level He has been tried in every position gives it his all but in my opinion falls short Le Bois has done nothing in 2 years Thomas and Casboult arnt going to get better Kreuzer is about cooked The list still has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese and in my opinion like when the club sacked Ratten and appointed The old Prick we have over rated the list And yet bar Walsh we rule ourselves out of this draft And a fair bit of 2019 draft giving up our second round pick for Setterfield I’m not ranting for the sake of it It’s what I believe To give up good picks in the draft IMO is the wrong strategy We simply don’t recruit as well as other clubs And we don’t develop them as well as other clubs Why we don’t have a stand alone VFL team Despite all this time We will be more competitive next year with a better run with injuries But I still think we could have done better with Our trades and recruiting Whatever. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/1 |
keogh wrote: This rebuild of the last 3 years isn’t a rebuild Our or more appropriately SOS’s obsession with GWS has left us with a list that is short on talent The combination of injuries and youth were partly the reason we had our worst season in the clubs history Personally I don’t rate Plownan Kennedy Pickett Marchbank Phillips As high as others Already we can see the effects of these GWS rejects on our list with a number of them being delisted after contributing SFA to the sides”rebuild On top of this we have recruited blokes who have been spared the arse because we have already delisted close to ten players And the premature retirement of the 2 Irish Boyd Byrne is a big loss That guy could play We still have Garlett Jones Lang in our list who arnt up to it Giving Murphy a two year contract is ridiculous given the guys output in recent years and he is 32 next year Simpson along with Cripps our best player over the last 4 years has only one year left Personally I don’t rate Cuningham Looks a million dollars when he has the pill but simply doesn’t get it enough Silvangi doesn’t have the physical tools to play the game at the highest level He has been tried in every position gives it his all but in my opinion falls short Le Bois has done nothing in 2 years Thomas and Casboult arnt going to get better Kreuzer is about cooked The list still has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese and in my opinion like when the club sacked Ratten and appointed The old Prick we have over rated the list And yet bar Walsh we rule ourselves out of this draft And a fair bit of 2019 draft giving up our second round pick for Setterfield I’m not ranting for the sake of it It’s what I believe To give up good picks in the draft IMO is the wrong strategy We simply don’t recruit as well as other clubs And we don’t develop them as well as other clubs Why we don’t have a stand alone VFL team Despite all this time We will be more competitive next year with a better run with injuries But I still think we could have done better with Our trades and recruiting Positive keogh Negative keogh Keogh the doubter Keogh the recruiter You'd be the only person in the whole football world who says this: "This rebuild of the last 3 years isn’t a rebuild". Nice to be unique, but its a bit far fetched, and maybe reflects your state of mind. Well at least you have an opinion, and are passionate. I liked Adam Chatfield's post above. Take a close look and try and see there's light at the end of the tunnel if you are to look....I guess you have when Positive Keogh is your persona. I can't wait to catch up with you for a when we string 3 wins in a row next year. |
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