By most accounts the Sturt lad Shane McAdam was probably going to go late second round. Some rated top 20.

So we gave up in reality a first round pick (13) and the equivalent of a second round pick (30-40). A fairly high price.

I haven’t looked at any phantom drafts, but where was he rated that highly and by who? Most accounts?



Go double check what Adelaide gave up to Sydney to get that pick 13 as well.

It was slightly overs in my opinion too. You don’t need to misrepresent what the deal was though.

Now I just want to see his highlights package on the field in navy blue.

I'm glad you asked, from the age - The Crows will receive pick 13 and 23-year-old McAdam, who starred in the SANFL this year and was on the radar of many clubs, some of which rated him inside the top 20 in the draft.

So if anything I was being conservative

So the Age (who at the age?) are saying we could have gone to many clubs and got a top 20 pick (because some rated him there), but instead chose to get a future pick upgrade. Does that make sense? Some rated him top 20, could have got him cheaper than that, for a late second, but chose not to? Must be some really dumb clubs out there.

The media is talking up the 2nd tier players to make it look as through the AFL actually helped us.

There's the "etc" you may have missed.

Let me help:

2 x 1st Rounders for Treloar
1 x 1st Rounder for Adams
etc

well said Deano as usual - agree with everything you said - also its like Charlie and Cripps re-signing if someone of that age and ability wants to come to the bottom side who won 2 games he MUST see something he thinks is sustainable and something that will bear fruit

I think the messaging of him wanting to come is something we can all hang our hat on for future success

There is always speculation
Will Fasolo turn it around

McAdam is that sort of Fasolo type player
Is younger than Fasolo
But unproven at AFL
The SANFL is a shit standard
All these things are part of the equation



If you look at McGoverns output it’s not that great
We don’t need another player like him
We need mids
Stands out like a sore thumb

Some amazing highlights buts that’s it

As I said it’s panic The club don’t want to wait any longer
The club was in a bit of shock with some of the efforts
this year
The Fremantle first half in Melbourne
The Brisbane game
The GWS game

It’s the short term fix

Guys it doesn’t work
If The recruiting staff are any good
we would have got at least one decent mid
from the 20s and greater depth if we had kept
both of them

Look at MCGoverns output
It isn’t that impressive

Carlton have not adapted to how you
build a premiership team since the draft and salary cap
took full effect 20 years ago

Posters here give examples of teams getting star players
for draft picks
Don’t forget that these teams were better than we are now
By a long way


despite a change in off field personnel
the club continues to be inpatient
We need more depth in the middle and build are list with kids

The AFL offer us some help and we piss it up the wall
With freebies from the lower leagues
McAdam may be a dud
McGovern may be a star
There may be no good mids after pick 25

If it’s the opposite then the people in charge at Carlton should
just @#$%&! off

Because mistakes aren’t learnt from

The club said 3 years ago it was going to go to three consecutive drafts and stock up on talent, that's exactly what we have done and have traded out Henderson, Touhy and Gibbs to help with that rebuild.

We have a lot of young talent on the list - we wanted to bring in some midrange talent round that 23-27 years old bracket, and we did exactly that with Mcgovern and Newman, and also added another bluechip kid in setterfield to compliment Walsh this season. Even Fasolo is only 26.

It feels like you are being hyper critical.

I have no doubt the club was alarm how badly we fell away at times in 2018 - who wasn't?

Losing Docherty on top of Gibbs plus the crazy number of injuires exposed our lack of AFL mature depth badly. Its exactly why we need the likes of Mcgovern, Fasolo and Newman - to help cover some of those deficiencies while our kids grow.

I also think McGoven is going to be a bloody star for us. A front half with McKay, Curnow and McGovern is potent to say the least. Athleticism at ground level and in the Air.

There is always speculation
Will Fasolo turn it around

McAdam is that sort of Fasolo type player
Is younger than Fasolo
But unproven at AFL
The SANFL is a shit standard
All these things are part of the equation



If you look at McGoverns output it’s not that great
We don’t need another player like him
We need mids
Stands out like a sore thumb

Some amazing highlights buts that’s it

As I said it’s panic The club don’t want to wait any longer
The club was in a bit of shock with some of the efforts
this year
The Fremantle first half in Melbourne
The Brisbane game
The GWS game

It’s the short term fix

Guys it doesn’t work
If The recruiting staff are any good
we would have got at least one decent mid
from the 20s and greater depth if we had kept
both of them

Look at MCGoverns output
It isn’t that impressive

Carlton have not adapted to how you
build a premiership team since the draft and salary cap
took full effect 20 years ago

Posters here give examples of teams getting star players
for draft picks
Don’t forget that these teams were better than we are now
By a long way


despite a change in off field personnel
the club continues to be inpatient
We need more depth in the middle and build are list with kids

The AFL offer us some help and we piss it up the wall
With freebies from the lower leagues
McAdam may be a dud
McGovern may be a star
There may be no good mids after pick 25

If it’s the opposite then the people in charge at Carlton should
just @#$%&! off

Because mistakes aren’t learnt from

Just for a bit of objectivity, what would you have done with a player that wanted to come to our club, is in the age demographic that we are looking for and plays in the part of the ground we have limited talent in?

I am a bit like you Keogh, I am not thrilled with the deal, but a second rounder and McAdam would never get the deal done so you either do the deal or walk away.

If we walk away, then what would be the flow on affect in future years, if a player is considering us or another team and can't be sure that a trade will be done?

In regards to Fasolo it is simply a swap for Wright and didn't cost us anything and if Russel can get his body and head right may prove to be bargain pickup. It's a pass in my opinion