How did they get Norm Smith medallist Sheuy and also Darling? Wasn't smart trading. Was the equalisation no longer available that would have got us McGovern. Again, no one will ever notice the leg up they got. All of a sudden they are genuises? They have done well. But don't think it's just by being so much smarter. The got some very nice assistance there.

Look at the last 9 premiers and see 6 had PPs playing for them, one COLA and one a raft of F/S gained under the old system. Leaving the Dogs somehow snatching one. All deserving premiers, but don't think that a little AFL assistance did play an insignificant role in their triumph.

I think the price for McGovern looks a little high. But I also know that picks in the 20s have a low strike rate and we already have plenty of talented kids on the list. I also think Setterfield came probably a little cheap.

So overall, plenty of talented kids already, two more players traded in with two years in the system who are in our best 22 for a decade, a shot at the best kid in the country to come and the best player high performance manager in the AFL to get them on the park firing.

No panic, no messiahs, no farms sold, no players lost to other teams, no murmurs of discontent in a playing group coming off 2 wins, everyone ready for preseason, cash and future picks still available for a Whitfield, Bont, Coniglio or the equivalent to slot into the side in 2020.

Have a look at the list at the end of 2015 and the list today. If this comes off, this will be the greatest exhibition of list management ever seen. That's how bad we were. Not hyperbole.

No one wanted to be traded ... in fact our best were keen to sign early. This more than anything gives me hope that Bolton & Carlton are doing something right.

Have a look at West Coasts premiership team
The majority of that team was drafted by the club as kids
And many of those picks were not first round
The trades they did to get
Cripps
Kennedy
Jetta
Redden
Cards
were good trades where they didn’t give up much at all

That’s how you build up your list to win a flag

Not doing crazy trades like the Mc Govern trade
Or the Shield deal

Throw in Wingard O’Meara even Mitchell
Trades like these keep you competitive in the short term
by long term don’t win you a flag

Give me evidence to suggest otherwise



To put it bluntly it’s plain dickens dumb

Nankervis, Prestia, Caddy.

You guys are either thick as bricks or dont read my posts

I’m all for trading picks for players so long as it’s smart
Trading an established player for an established player
based on the teams needs is smart as well

I don’t agree with the McGovern or Fasolo trades

With the McGovern trade we have given up 2 picks in the 20s
Plus a mature player who could be an X factor in McAdam
For a future 3 Rd rounder and a bloke who has maybe reached his peak
Already is undersized and really hasn’t achieved the heights
To warrant given up 2 potentially good mids

It’s goes against what the club said it would do
The messiah approach

Fasolo isn’t good enough just like Mullett and O’Shea
That’s proven

All the trades you guys have mentioned
we’re good trades
One for one
Restricted free agents
With Mayne for instance
A free agent who went from a forward to defender
at Collingwood
Can’t see Fasolo playing anyway but forward unless
He gets super fit to play midfield
A huge risk
I would have picked McAdam with the AFL concessions we got
Happy with the Newman trade
The Setterfield is ok but let’s see how good he is with a decent run
With injury

The McGovern trade is [REDACTED] unless he improves his output
I would have picked 2 mids with the talent on offer in this draft




As

Nankervis, Prestia, Caddy.

Yes, but besides them, there was no one.

Someone mentioned Josh Kennedy being traded to counter
my argument
MCGlynn and Kennedy for
pick 39 46 70

McGovern and a future 3rd rounder
For McAdam and pick 13 ( from Sydney for pick 26 and 28)

The case rests your honour