TalkingCarlton :: View topic - List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18

Obviously the quick fix is back and the rebuild is over
Personally I don’t like it but we can judge it in a few years time

McGovern is basically got for two picks in the 20 s in a strong draft year
Setterfield is yet another GWS ex player

To me it’s a sign of panic given the sides pathetic efforts this year
If Cripps had been injured the year would have probably been winless

Still plenty of deadwood on the list despite around a dozen goings

Interesting times ahead

On Settlefield
Just because he was touted as one of the best kids in the draft
doesn’t mean he is going to be a guaranteed star
Look at Pickett
Plowman was a high draft pick but seems to be a third tall
defender who provides little drive out of defence
He also is an average kick
Marchbank was a pick 6 but he doesn’t play up to a standard of that nature
Poor decision maker and another player who is an average kick
Setterfield has cost us 2 picks including going very skinny in the 2019 draft

McGovern
As you pointed out we payed overs for him something we have been doing for the past
two decades . His highlights package looks amazing but Nick Graham’s would have looked ok as well if he had one
We desperately need inside and outside mids yet we give up 2 picks in the draft in the 20 s
C Curnow should play midfield next year with the Govs arrival but
I would have personally gone for 2 midfielders with the hope of one turning out to be gun
Look at Zac Fisher
To me this deal smacks of the old Carlton
Mc Govern could be a star
He better be for what we potentially gave up to get him

Fasolo
One year is a blessing
Three years would be lunacy
There is a reason he couldn’t get a game at the Pies
despite all their injuries
He doesn’t chase tackle
Does a couple of fancy things during a match and that’s it
He’s not good enough
Just like Mullett, O’Shea, Lang etc
So why do we persist in recruiting duds when there known to be duds already

Newman
The only trade I agree with
Anyway see how we go 2019

Another benefit of a “super draft” is that other teams will fall over themselves to get more picks, and while I’d have liked us to somehow stay in the 2nd round, the club’s direction is now clear.

I’m thinking that for the most part, the club thinks they have enough kids, Walsh the obvious exception, and enough mid/late-20s battlers (Fasolo and Newman are essentially replacements/upgrades on Wright and Byrne).

It’s now about the kids playing together consistently, augmented only with quality “older” players.

The Judd deal
Who won on that one
Clearly this years premiers

I am not a big rap in getting one player for potentially 2 good ones

Not just us other clubs as well

Fasolo is a freebie
He still clogs up the list
For finishing last he get one pick in the first 68 or so picks
A draft which everyday has talked about as the super draft

As I said whether the club has made the right decisions or not
Will be revealed in a few years time

Call me the prophet of doom but some of the sugar coasters
who have been on this site as long as me would have egg on their face
When it comes to things they have posted over the years

The Judd deal
Who won on that one
Clearly this years premiers

The Mc Govern deal is of the same ilk
And he hasn’t really proven himself yet

keogh wrote:

Of course you are absolutely correct, Setterfield would want to be better than those second round guys like McHenry, Duursma, Butters, Jones, Valente, Taylor.
That is a very fair comparison to make in 4 years time. If he is on par; well and good. If he hasn't made an impact, doesn't bode well for our recruiters.
He and McGovern would want to be good because this second round is the best for some time and we could have had three bites at it.

I don't care what you say about the other three, but you shouldn't roast Lamb.

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Author:	Rod Spooky Galt [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:52 am ]
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It was discussed during the season that the only reason Rowe wasn't dropped weeks earlier was they wanted to get him to 100. He had some stinkers for a few weeks and survived. Either they decided "well stuff you, you don't deserve it", or assumed he'd get another year and weren't so concerned. The Dean Rioli precedent is certainly there (although yet to provide results). Shit, we still talk enough about Deledio and Lloyd. Rowe getting a game in a side where it wouldn't have been too impractical to auction off a spot to someone in the crowd doesn't seem too out of place.

Author:	keogh [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:32 am ]
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Obviously the quick fix is back and the rebuild is over Personally I don’t like it but we can judge it in a few years time McGovern is basically got for two picks in the 20 s in a strong draft year Setterfield is yet another GWS ex player To me it’s a sign of panic given the sides pathetic efforts this year If Cripps had been injured the year would have probably been winless Still plenty of deadwood on the list despite around a dozen goings Interesting times ahead

Author:	robertbb [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:38 am ]
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Holding on to pick 1 (when it would have got us Shiel) is panic? Picking up a kid rated in the top 2 a few years ago, but who has been set back with injury, is panic? Paying slightly overs for an exciting forward prospect (McGovern) with years still left in him is panic? Drafting a proven medium sized forward as depth (Fasolo) for basically nothing, is panic? Picking up a senior back flanker (Newman) who went from Rookie to regular at Sydney, to cover loss of Byrne, is panic?

Author:	Taff [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:34 am ]
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keogh wrote: Obviously the quick fix is back and the rebuild is over Personally I don’t like it but we can judge it in a few years time McGovern is basically got for two picks in the 20 s in a strong draft year Setterfield is yet another GWS ex player To me it’s a sign of panic given the sides pathetic efforts this year If Cripps had been injured the year would have probably been winless Still plenty of deadwood on the list despite around a dozen goings Interesting times ahead Are you really a CFC supporter? What would you have rather done? Quality costs.

Author:	keogh [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:49 am ]
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On Settlefield Just because he was touted as one of the best kids in the draft doesn’t mean he is going to be a guaranteed star Look at Pickett Plowman was a high draft pick but seems to be a third tall defender who provides little drive out of defence He also is an average kick Marchbank was a pick 6 but he doesn’t play up to a standard of that nature Poor decision maker and another player who is an average kick Setterfield has cost us 2 picks including going very skinny in the 2019 draft McGovern As you pointed out we payed overs for him something we have been doing for the past two decades . His highlights package looks amazing but Nick Graham’s would have looked ok as well if he had one We desperately need inside and outside mids yet we give up 2 picks in the draft in the 20 s C Curnow should play midfield next year with the Govs arrival but I would have personally gone for 2 midfielders with the hope of one turning out to be gun Look at Zac Fisher To me this deal smacks of the old Carlton Mc Govern could be a star He better be for what we potentially gave up to get him Fasolo One year is a blessing Three years would be lunacy There is a reason he couldn’t get a game at the Pies despite all their injuries He doesn’t chase tackle Does a couple of fancy things during a match and that’s it He’s not good enough Just like Mullett, O’Shea, Lang etc So why do we persist in recruiting duds when there known to be duds already Newman The only trade I agree with Anyway see how we go 2019

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Author:	windy [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:55 am ]
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YAWN

Author:	Franc de Borges [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:15 pm ]
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keogh wrote: On Settlefield Just because he was touted as one of the best kids in the draft doesn’t mean he is going to be a guaranteed star Look at Pickett Plowman was a high draft pick but seems to be a third tall defender who provides little drive out of defence He also is an average kick Marchbank was a pick 6 but he doesn’t play up to a standard of that nature Poor decision maker and another player who is an average kick Setterfield has cost us 2 picks including going very skinny in the 2019 draft McGovern As you pointed out we payed overs for him something we have been doing for the past two decades . His highlights package looks amazing but Nick Graham’s would have looked ok as well if he had one We desperately need inside and outside mids yet we give up 2 picks in the draft in the 20 s C Curnow should play midfield next year with the Govs arrival but I would have personally gone for 2 midfielders with the hope of one turning out to be gun Look at Zac Fisher To me this deal smacks of the old Carlton Mc Govern could be a star He better be for what we potentially gave up to get him Fasolo One year is a blessing Three years would be lunacy There is a reason he couldn’t get a game at the Pies despite all their injuries He doesn’t chase tackle Does a couple of fancy things during a match and that’s it He’s not good enough Just like Mullett, O’Shea, Lang etc So why do we persist in recruiting duds when there known to be duds already Newman The only trade I agree with Anyway see how we go 2019 So don't pin your hopes on guys that were drafted early as there's no guarantee, yet that should be our planned 'hope'? Ok. You provide the answer to your own query with C. Curnow being able to move further up the field now that we have McGovern. Docherty will also be more of a regular in the middle with Newman and the return of Williamson on the HB line. You'd imagine we'll draft another midfielder at #1 to add to Setterfield. Fasolo is basically a freebie to replace Wright. Shouldn't get a game if Pickett is switched on. I'm all for a decent critique but this is just talking shit.

Author:	Rexy [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:34 pm ]
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way too glass-half-empty keogh re Setterfield - on your logic we'd never bother with the draft re McG - he's only 23yo, has elite raw talent as seen in the vids, just coming into his prime re Faz - has AFL level talent, got him for naught you can't accuse SOS of being a conservative list manager - he's been hyper aggressive

Author:	Donstuie [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:51 pm ]
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Another benefit of a “super draft” is that other teams will fall over themselves to get more picks, and while I’d have liked us to somehow stay in the 2nd round, the club’s direction is now clear. I’m thinking that for the most part, the club thinks they have enough kids, Walsh the obvious exception, and enough mid/late-20s battlers (Fasolo and Newman are essentially replacements/upgrades on Wright and Byrne). It’s now about the kids playing together consistently, augmented only with quality “older” players.

Author:	thegezman [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 pm ]
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Donstuie wrote: Another benefit of a “super draft” is that other teams will fall over themselves to get more picks, and while I’d have liked us to somehow stay in the 2nd round, the club’s direction is now clear. I’m thinking that for the most part, the club thinks they have enough kids, Walsh the obvious exception, and enough mid/late-20s battlers (Fasolo and Newman are essentially replacements/upgrades on Wright and Byrne). It’s now about the kids playing together consistently, augmented only with quality “older” players. Agree 100%, we need to make sure we nail that other part of the equation in landing some quality older players in the next two off seasons and back our coaching, development and fitness of our young talent. Fingers crossed it all comes together. We need some joy in our footy lives.

Author:	keogh [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:55 pm ]
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I am not a big rap in getting one player for potentially 2 good ones Not just us other clubs as well Fasolo is a freebie He still clogs up the list For finishing last he get one pick in the first 68 or so picks A draft which everyday has talked about as the super draft As I said whether the club has made the right decisions or not Will be revealed in a few years time Call me the prophet of doom but some of the sugar coasters who have been on this site as long as me would have egg on their face When it comes to things they have posted over the years The Judd deal Who won on that one Clearly this years premiers The Mc Govern deal is of the same ilk And he hasn’t really proven himself yet

Author:	dane [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:18 pm ]
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keogh wrote: The Judd deal Who won on that one Clearly this years premiers By this measure. If we win a premiership in the next 10 years... we win the mcgovern trade!

Author:	smithy [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:24 pm ]
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keogh wrote: I am not a big rap in getting one player for potentially 2 good ones Not just us other clubs as well Fasolo is a freebie He still clogs up the list For finishing last he get one pick in the first 68 or so picks A draft which everyday has talked about as the super draft As I said whether the club has made the right decisions or not Will be revealed in a few years time Call me the prophet of doom but some of the sugar coasters who have been on this site as long as me would have egg on their face When it comes to things they have posted over the years The Judd deal Who won on that one Clearly this years premiers The Mc Govern deal is of the same ilk And he hasn’t really proven himself yet Of course you are absolutely correct, Setterfield would want to be better than those second round guys like McHenry, Duursma, Butters, Jones, Valente, Taylor. That is a very fair comparison to make in 4 years time. If he is on par; well and good. If he hasn't made an impact, doesn't bode well for our recruiters. He and McGovern would want to be good because this second round is the best for some time and we could have had three bites at it.

Author:	dane [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:27 pm ]
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smithy wrote: keogh wrote: I am not a big rap in getting one player for potentially 2 good ones Not just us other clubs as well Fasolo is a freebie He still clogs up the list For finishing last he get one pick in the first 68 or so picks A draft which everyday has talked about as the super draft As I said whether the club has made the right decisions or not Will be revealed in a few years time Call me the prophet of doom but some of the sugar coasters who have been on this site as long as me would have egg on their face When it comes to things they have posted over the years The Judd deal Who won on that one Clearly this years premiers The Mc Govern deal is of the same ilk And he hasn’t really proven himself yet Of course you are absolutely correct, Setterfield would want to be better than those second round guys like McHenry, Duursma, Butters, Jones, Valente, Taylor. That is a very fair comparison to make in 4 years time. If he is on par; well and good. If he hasn't made an impact, doesn't bode well for our recruiters. He and McGovern would want to be good because this second round is the best for some time and we could have had three bites at it. Do you mean two bites?

Author:	toddkurnski [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:45 pm ]
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Midfield FA next year Stephen Hill David Swallow Stephen Coniglio Liam Shiels Nathan Jones Jarryn Geary Jack Newnes One clear standout there. Everyone will be chasing Coniglio. Shiels would be a reasonable get. Haven’t seen Hill play for a while so don’t know where he is at. Swallow, Geary and Newnes wouldn’t add much to what we have. Jones wouldn’t be going anywhere. Kennedy and Tomlinson also FA next year...

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Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:09 pm ]
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keogh wrote: Obviously the quick fix is back and the rebuild is over Personally I don’t like it but we can judge it in a few years time McGovern is basically got for two picks in the 20 s in a strong draft year Setterfield is yet another GWS ex player To me it’s a sign of panic given the sides pathetic efforts this year If Cripps had been injured the year would have probably been winless Still plenty of deadwood on the list despite around a dozen goings Interesting times ahead How you get panic from what the Blues did in the last week is beyond me.

Author:	bondiblue [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:45 pm ]
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List looks good. We can move forward with MLG, Liddle, Bolton, SOS, Lloyd and Russell...its a new regime with no similarities to the past. No doubt Blues have turned a new leaf. Only problem I see is too many kids for finals in 2019, but the benefit is we can focus on tempting the right age group next year, and the kids are all quality. Pressure for spots when everyone returns fit and healthy after a HUGE preseason: something a dozen or so missed out on last year, let alone the injuriy debacle we suffered. Go Buebaggers

Author:	99prelim [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:21 pm ]
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moshe25 wrote: I don't care what you say about the other three, but you shouldn't roast Lamb. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk You'd be offending his dad Herb and his mum Rosemary

Author:	bondiblue [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:57 pm ]
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Oregano

Author:	bondiblue [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:09 pm ]
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What's this group of players called? RR: Cripps R: Dow W: Walsh W: Fisher HHF: Setterfield HHF: SPS Is that a midfield dynasty we have before us? Ed, Murphy, Simpson, Thomas are a luxury to support that group. Docherty was earmarked for midfield before Gibbs was traded. Still have to find a spot for first rounders OBrien, Pickett, Cuningham, Garlett, Lang. Then there's Williamson and Silvagni. Where would Shiel fit? He'd just be taking up a list spot for 4-5 years. Cognilio and Kelly are different stories. Always room for that calibre. Pressure on midfield spots from quality kids and experienced players. List is in a good place imo. The only way is up. oops...I forgot about the big bodied Kennedy. Newman if needed, and then there's Hickmott, Polson and Schmacher to consider. We have the personnel. SOS done well.