TalkingCarlton :: View topic - List Mgmt 2018 - Rowe/Kerridge/Graham/Lamb delisted 18/10/18

Max King hurt his leg yesterday . Any updates ?

Almost a quarter of the way through the season.

Of those who are currently out of contract who's on your endangered species list ?

03 - Marc Murphy - 2018
06 - Kade Simpson - 2018
11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018
13 - Jed Lamb - 2018
17 - Sam Rowe - 2018
18 - Aaron Mullett - 2018
24 - Cam O'Shea - 2018
29 - Cameron Polson - 2018
32 - Nicholas Graham - 2018
33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018
36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018
37 - Matthew Shaw (r) - 2018
39 - Dale Thomas - 2018
40 - Jesse Glass-McCasker (r) - 2018
42 - Kym LeBois (r) - 2018
44 - Alex Silvagni (r) - 2018
46 - Matthew Wright - 2018

This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years.

He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change.

The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney.

The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder.

Clarkson said -
"For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018.
Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html

Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).

17th Premiership wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

Gee what a great surprise given we chased rockcliff hard last pre-season and we have a dearth of midfielders and particularly midfielders not a revelation
Disappointingly the only positive articles for us are about the next exchange period and not this season

Depends how hard we go at it this year... but I would have thought there are better FA targets for us next year.
If we can get Gaff relatively cheap, fine. But I’d rather go to the draft again this year and then target a FA next year.

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Why would gaff come to us unless we offered crazy money?

Our best bet is to go to the draft, and target younger players who aren’t getting opportunities at better sides (like Kennedy).

I wouldn’t bother with lynch either as our outlay would be too much and be an albatross for us with such a big contract to contend with

tap in 79 wrote:

Also Clarkson wants to weigh in to the “Concussion Debate” - Ian Aitken sends his regards but our AFL Good Ole Boys Media Network allow Clarkson to play through.

:roll:

Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).

Brad Scott is on On the Couch right now.
He was asked about Waite and Scott Thompson.
He said having those two players at either end of the ground has helped in the development of the younger players.
Maybe we have erred slightly in letting too many senior players go at the expense of player development.

verbs wrote:

Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).

Plus the 4 1st round picks they used on Dowler, Thorp and trading for Burgoyne.

I'm a massive fan of how they done it, but he's kidding himself if he thinks that it didn't involve bottoming out and loading up on picks.

Also this "reinvention" they've had over the last 12 months is still based on the fact that last week they still had 10 guys who have played 150+ games and even that couldn't help them yesterday against the Tier 3 Kangaroos.

A recruiter at another club who did not wish to be named, confirmed that his club’s doctors ruled Brown out on medical grounds. They had a pick earlier than where North picked him, but the doctors put a line through his name. His is a club still screaming out for a key forward.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-ben-brown-is-the-afl-s-best-draft-pick-20180427-p4zc0e.html

Quote:

If that is Carlton, our incompetent medical staff should be sacked, hired then sacked again.

Author:	Sin City [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:17 am ]
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cimm1979 wrote: Max King hurt his leg yesterday . Any updates ? He's gonna have a scan in the next few days. Expected to be an ACL at the moment though sadly.

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:51 pm ]
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Almost a quarter of the way through the season. Of those who are currently out of contract who's on your endangered species list ? 03 - Marc Murphy - 2018 06 - Kade Simpson - 2018 11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018 13 - Jed Lamb - 2018 17 - Sam Rowe - 2018 18 - Aaron Mullett - 2018 24 - Cam O'Shea - 2018 29 - Cameron Polson - 2018 32 - Nicholas Graham - 2018 33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018 36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018 37 - Matthew Shaw (r) - 2018 39 - Dale Thomas - 2018 40 - Jesse Glass-McCasker (r) - 2018 42 - Kym LeBois (r) - 2018 44 - Alex Silvagni (r) - 2018 46 - Matthew Wright - 2018

Author:	smithy [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:54 pm ]
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Rexy wrote: Almost a quarter of the way through the season. Of those who are currently out of contract who's on your endangered species list ? 03 - Marc Murphy - 2018 06 - Kade Simpson - 2018 11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018 13 - Jed Lamb - 2018 17 - Sam Rowe - 2018 18 - Aaron Mullett - 2018 24 - Cam O'Shea - 2018 29 - Cameron Polson - 2018 32 - Nicholas Graham - 2018 33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018 36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018 37 - Matthew Shaw (r) - 2018 39 - Dale Thomas - 2018 40 - Jesse Glass-McCasker (r) - 2018 42 - Kym LeBois (r) - 2018 44 - Alex Silvagni (r) - 2018 46 - Matthew Wright - 2018 Ohh, I'll have a dip at this Rexy In no particular order- Lamb Rowe Mullet O'Shea Graham Shaw Thomas Kerridge JGM? on very shaky ground too, A.Silvagni will likely retire.

Author:	tap in 79 [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:04 pm ]
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This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years. He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change. The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney. The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder. Clarkson said - "For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018. Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html

Author:	verbs [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:41 pm ]
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Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).

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Author:	AIRCAV [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:51 pm ]
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Not to mention rorting the free agency system allowing you to get AA players at bargain basement prices from bottom sides in return for the promise for the player of premiership medallions...

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:54 pm ]
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tap in 79 wrote: This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years. He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change. The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney. The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder. Clarkson said - "For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018. Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html Also Clarkson wants to weigh in to the “Concussion Debate” - Ian Aitken sends his regards but our AFL Good Ole Boys Media Network allow Clarkson to play through.

Author:	The Duke [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:18 pm ]
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tap in 79 wrote: This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years. He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change. The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney. The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder. Clarkson said - "For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018. Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html I know what you're saying, but we've had 15 years of high picks and chances to build a quality team around a strong culture. For some reason, we haven't been able to achieve that. Even when we weren't officially 're-building', we still kept our top picks - but wasted them. When Clarkson took over the dawks, they were a rabble. They built their list and a mental strength that we can only dream of. I know that's what Bolts is trying to do now, but Murphy is no Hodge - and we need a Hodge. Sometimes you think someone is a quality leader, but you're not 100% sure because you haven't seen that one thing that sets them aside from the rest - well, I saw it on Saturday night. Cripps is our man.

Author:	Blueboy74 [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:38 pm ]
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verbs wrote: Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12). Plus the 4 1st round picks they used on Dowler, Thorp and trading for Burgoyne. I'm a massive fan of how they done it, but he's kidding himself if he thinks that it didn't involve bottoming out and loading up on picks. Also this "reinvention" they've had over the last 12 months is still based on the fact that last week they still had 10 guys who have played 150+ games and even that couldn't help them yesterday against the Tier 3 Kangaroos.

Author:	The Normal One [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:	List Management 2018
Rexy wrote: Almost a quarter of the way through the season. Of those who are currently out of contract who's on your endangered species list ? 03 - Marc Murphy - 2018 06 - Kade Simpson - 2018 11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018 13 - Jed Lamb - 2018 17 - Sam Rowe - 2018 18 - Aaron Mullett - 2018 24 - Cam O'Shea - 2018 29 - Cameron Polson - 2018 32 - Nicholas Graham - 2018 33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018 36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018 37 - Matthew Shaw (r) - 2018 39 - Dale Thomas - 2018 40 - Jesse Glass-McCasker (r) - 2018 42 - Kym LeBois (r) - 2018 44 - Alex Silvagni (r) - 2018 46 - Matthew Wright - 2018 Simpson, Lamb, Rowe, O’Shea, Graham, Shaw, Thomas, JGM, Silvagni

Author:	17th Premiership [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:27 pm ]
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Adam Chatfield wrote: 17th Premiership wrote: frank dardew wrote: Gee what a great surprise given we chased rockcliff hard last pre-season and we have a dearth of midfielders and particularly midfielders not a revelation Disappointingly the only positive articles for us are about the next exchange period and not this season Depends how hard we go at it this year... but I would have thought there are better FA targets for us next year. If we can get Gaff relatively cheap, fine. But I’d rather go to the draft again this year and then target a FA next year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why would gaff come to us unless we offered crazy money? Our best bet is to go to the draft, and target younger players who aren’t getting opportunities at better sides (like Kennedy). I wouldn’t bother with lynch either as our outlay would be too much and be an albatross for us with such a big contract to contend with I agree 100% Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Author:	bmaurizio [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:16 pm ]
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AGRO wrote: tap in 79 wrote: This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years. He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change. The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney. The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder. Clarkson said - "For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018. Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html Also Clarkson wants to weigh in to the “Concussion Debate” - Ian Aitken sends his regards but our AFL Good Ole Boys Media Network allow Clarkson to play through. Agree, Clarkson wanting to cotribute to the Concussion debate is disrespectful and an insult to our intelligence. He should be ashamed of hinself someone remind the idiot of his momentary lapse. Ian Atkin never was the same again.

Author:	kezza [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:03 pm ]
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verbs wrote: Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).

Author:	kezza [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:10 pm ]
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Brad Scott is on On the Couch right now. He was asked about Waite and Scott Thompson. He said having those two players at either end of the ground has helped in the development of the younger players. Maybe we have erred slightly in letting too many senior players go at the expense of player development.

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Author:	Mots87 [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:57 pm ]
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Clarkson has a short memory. Things often come around and bite you on the arse.

Author:	Blueboy74 [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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kezza wrote: Brad Scott is on On the Couch right now. He was asked about Waite and Scott Thompson. He said having those two players at either end of the ground has helped in the development of the younger players. Maybe we have erred slightly in letting too many senior players go at the expense of player development. Injuries haven't helped. Having Doherty, Kreuzer and Murphy on top of others would have been enough. I'd say you could argue Rowe and Casboult did the same job for us on Saturday. As for "developing the young players", last week against us they only had 3 players under the age of 22 and none of them key position players so they've had very little to do. Well done to them for so far exceeding outside expectations, but to me it looks like another mid table finish with an old side leaving them no closer to a flag as ever.

Author:	muzza [ Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:31 pm ]
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Blueboy74 wrote: verbs wrote: Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12). Plus the 4 1st round picks they used on Dowler, Thorp and trading for Burgoyne. I'm a massive fan of how they done it, but he's kidding himself if he thinks that it didn't involve bottoming out and loading up on picks. Also this "reinvention" they've had over the last 12 months is still based on the fact that last week they still had 10 guys who have played 150+ games and even that couldn't help them yesterday against the Tier 3 Kangaroos. And apparently they are allowed to give out out free hits and elbows on the ground these days and not get weeks for it......interesting concept that.

Author:	buzzaaaah [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:49 pm ]
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why ... 4zc0e.html Quote: A recruiter at another club who did not wish to be named, confirmed that his club’s doctors ruled Brown out on medical grounds. They had a pick earlier than where North picked him, but the doctors put a line through his name. His is a club still screaming out for a key forward. If that is Carlton, our incompetent medical staff should be sacked, hired then sacked again.

Author:	BigKev [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:36 pm ]
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buzzaaaah wrote: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-ben-brown-is-the-afl-s-best-draft-pick-20180427-p4zc0e.html Quote: A recruiter at another club who did not wish to be named, confirmed that his club’s doctors ruled Brown out on medical grounds. They had a pick earlier than where North picked him, but the doctors put a line through his name. His is a club still screaming out for a key forward. If that is Carlton, our incompetent medical staff should be sacked, hired then sacked again. Bit harsh to include McKay on the list of talls for whom overs were paid. Give him a few years.

Author:	Sin City [ Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:01 pm ]
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After we picked up O'Shea from our VFL team last year I wonder whether the NB's picking up three forward pockets in Hill, Fisher and Palmer is an audition for a spot on our list. Looks like Palmer was pretty good today.