smithy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
kezza wrote:
As if we would ever get a first round pick for Murphy. Some club would have to offer him a 4 year deal worth around $700,000 a year for that to happen.
Imagine the "outrage" if that happened from the other clubs.
Exactly.
All the clubs still view Carlton as a "Big club" when really it is a basket case.
As it is still viewed as a "big club" (illogically) no club would want to assist it in anyway whatsoever, so there would be a huge outrage if Carlton got pick 2 or 3 for Murphy. It won't happen. They might "give" Carlton a pick around pick 15....which is again back in the heavy gamble territory.
The most pertinent part of that article was this:
"Incredibly, the Blues are now the least successful Victorian club this century. Since the start of the 2000 season, a year after the club had made the Grand Final and a year in which it was to make a preliminary final, Carlton has played 417 matches for just 157 wins (37.65%)." I guess the only advantage Carlton has over Melbourne, which has a record nearly as bad, during this time is it has won one or two meaningless finals.
To follow the Melbourne formula then
Carlton would have to hand over the keys to the AFL....which I would be happy to do at this pathetic point in the club's history. I have no faith in Carlton's management, but we are sold the belief to "stick fat", "go to the draft" etc... yeah, well ok, can't wait until the draft in November.
Disagree, I would not let the AFL anywhere near our club, that would be the worst outcome possible. that we let them in at all under the guise of Collins is one of the reasons we are where we are, we tried appeasement it hasn't worked. It never does.
This code is rotten to the core and the AFL is a greedy suckling piglet that gets fatter and hungrier for more power and more control, never give these evil vermin what they want. Eventually in time the clubs will have to break away and start again, it is inevitable.
"Handing the keys to the AFL" (god I hate that stupid saying that makes these hopeless pricks out to be our saviors) would be the end of the club, full stop.
One of the reasons the AFL KOed us was that Elliot wouldn't kneel before them and at one stage suggested a super league similar to the NRL breakaway.
We need to think outside the box. I don't know what the answer is but one by one the other clubs are getting some toe hold that gives them an advantage. Essendon* started it with their deal at Docklands. Hawks got Waverley and Tasmania. The SA and WA clubs have purpose designed stadia that are hard for interstate clubs to win at. Geelong has it's own stadium provided by the taxpayers and the AFL for the most part on top of their being the last club to get free access to F/S and then there is the Gazza compo debacle.
North have placed themselves in South Tassie and in the long term that will be a financial bonanza as they are guaranteed gate takings they could only dream about at Etihad. Collingwood had Eddie and the shameless payola at the footy show for ten years that got them out of their financial woes. Sydney has a home ground and the COLA, which is a farce. If they need COLA, it should be paid to the lowest paid players, not as a 10% across the board salary cap rort that sees the players that need it the least getting the lion's share of it. Speaking of the Lions, they are a hole in the sand into which the AFL has poured an excessive amount of financial support and the odd priority pick that we haven't had. The two expansion clubs had several drafts to rort, which co-incidentally occured during the period we most needed access to good players and which is part of the reason we are missing players in the 24-27 age bracket. Dogs are getting into Ballarat, which I suggested we try several years ago. It hasn't proven financially successful as yet but it's in its infancy. Essendon* has been supported shamelessly by the AFL for the last four years on top of its stadium deal and the AFL has publicly stated that 'everybody wants a strong Essendon*'. Well I don't want a strong Essendon* on the back of corruption. Melbourne had Rootsy paid for by the AFL and a 'timely' over-the-top compo for Frawley when they were bottom of the ladder and went the quinella (as did Hawthorn when it landed Buddy and Franklin and thanks for coming.)
OK, we dug this hole and we need to get ourselves out of it. How do we get something extra to help? The money going to PP for the women's comp won't find its way to CFC directly. OK, the lights may be improved and the old stand is heritage listed but we will never play games there. Or will we? I have always been of the opinion that the second boutique stadium should be PP but the club has never really pushed it hard. Parking is an issue there, which Richmond is quick to point out is not the issue at Punt Rd. Could we relocate to Bendigo and develop a home ground there? How about Kilmore, close to Melbourne and in the growth corridor? Something. Anything.
I hate Richmond but I'll give them one thing. They've done this on their own. I struggle to think of any real assistance they've had from the AFL. They're like us in that regard.
Maybe it IS our board that's the problem. Maybe it's not but I think we need to develop something either alone or with the AFL that will give is something the others don't have.
In my dream, Visy, Fraser Brown and the Grollos rebuild PP for the club. The ACTU comes on board, lobbies the state and Federal governments for a subsidy and we establish the entire project as a trade-training project that will produce hundreds of tradesmen over the life of the rebuild and beyond.
Then I wake up and we're still 18th and broke.
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