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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:41 pm 
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Gold Coast have the following picks: #2, #3, #19, #24, #29, #59, #80 and they might get another top-10 for May (#5-ish), along with picks for Hall (#31-ish) and Kolodjashnij (#54ish).

They will probably have around 8 spots on the list to fill, which means they'll probably use #2, #3, #5, #19, #24, #29, #31 and #54...

So we could try and trade Casboult to them for #54 and #59, because they wouldn't use them anyway. That way we'd improve our draft position slightly and free up space on our list.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Interesting list of free agents who didn't move and may yet have to find new homes:

Tyson Goldsack - will probably stay
George Horlin-Smith - off to Gold Coast
Tom Liberatore - probably stay
Jordan Roughead - possibly of to Collingwood
Mark LeCras - possibly retire
Taylor Duryea - probably stay
Ryan Schoenmakers - probably stay

These three interest me in regards to adding a mature player:

Brendan Whitecross - 28 years old, but a good, solid player and a good kick. Can play multiple positions and seems a quality character. Very much a Wright replacement.
Daniel Menzel - 27 years old. Medium forward with a proven track record. Averages 1.9 goals a game.
Jarryd Blair - Small forward / relief mid. Tenacious and tends to plays well against us.

The question is: Are they better than Graham?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
This from the AFL site:
"Trade and free agency ins: Alex Fasolo, Mitch McGovern, Will Setterfield, pick 42, pick 71, future third-round selection (Adelaide)

Trade and free agency outs: Pick 26, pick 28, pre-listed state league player selections (Shane McAdam to Adelaide and Nathan Kreuger to Geelong)"


Effectively we got Fasolo, McGovern, Setterfield and 71 for our original 25 and 26 (I think those ones in red above are a bit off the mark).

Is that right?


No BS, we have also lost our 2019 2nd rounder and 5th rounder


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:13 pm 
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Jez1966 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
This from the AFL site:
"Trade and free agency ins: Alex Fasolo, Mitch McGovern, Will Setterfield, pick 42, pick 71, future third-round selection (Adelaide)

Trade and free agency outs: Pick 26, pick 28, pre-listed state league player selections (Shane McAdam to Adelaide and Nathan Kreuger to Geelong)"


Effectively we got Fasolo, McGovern, Setterfield and 71 for our original 25 and 26 (I think those ones in red above are a bit off the mark).

Is that right?


No BS, we have also lost our 2019 2nd rounder and 5th rounder

Of course we have.
Thanks for that.
No wonder it looked too good to be true.
It was!
Damn AFL.com.au

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:39 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
This from the AFL site:
"Trade and free agency ins: Alex Fasolo, Mitch McGovern, Will Setterfield, pick 42, pick 71, future third-round selection (Adelaide)

Trade and free agency outs: Pick 26, pick 28, pre-listed state league player selections (Shane McAdam to Adelaide and Nathan Kreuger to Geelong)"


Effectively we got Fasolo, McGovern, Setterfield and 71 for our original 25 and 26 (I think those ones in red above are a bit off the mark).

Is that right?


No BS, we have also lost our 2019 2nd rounder and 5th rounder

Of course we have.
Thanks for that.
No wonder it looked too good to be true.
It was!
Damn AFL.com.au


You should know by now never believe anything the AFL says :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:35 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Reckon Graham and Kerridge are in trouble, possibly Lamb and Rowe.

Best 22 is looking better already with the additions of,
McGovern, Walsh, Fas and Setterfield.

Potentially DFA like,
Barlow, Hibberd, Bugg, O’Rourke, Towers or Freeman.

Maybe Newman, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen or Tyson.

Can we land a player like Scully or Libba??


You serious? McGovern's a gun.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:56 am 
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If all goes to plan and this list takes us to success, we will have the same problems as GWS with the salary cap and a list of young stars all looking for their share of the pie.
That's the best form of equalisation.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:26 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
If all goes to plan and this list takes us to success, we will have the same problems as GWS with the salary cap and a list of young stars all looking for their share of the pie.
That's the best form of equalisation.

Or Bolton follows the Clarkson mould and every player takes pay cuts and is on peanuts to stay together so we have a seemingly endless cap to keep buying top end players each and every year... :smoking:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:20 pm 
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So Gold Coast have 1 list spots spare (assuming Horlin-Smith goes and the 2 state league players count towards list spots), with Scrimshaw, May, Martin, Kolodjashnij still in play) with 5 picks in the top 30.

Pick 59 is surplus to their needs. It would give us a shot at BSOS up till pick 45 (or pick 40 if we keep 69 and 71). Need to figure out how to get that.

I'm assuming May and Martin stay put another year, and the other 2 go. They need to offload one or two top 30 picks for future picks. We should get it done.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:18 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
If all goes to plan and this list takes us to success, we will have the same problems as GWS with the salary cap and a list of young stars all looking for their share of the pie.
That's the best form of equalisation.

We can only pray we get to that position.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:34 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
Gold Coast have the following picks: #2, #3, #19, #24, #29, #59, #80 and they might get another top-10 for May (#5-ish), along with picks for Hall (#31-ish) and Kolodjashnij (#54ish).

They will probably have around 8 spots on the list to fill, which means they'll probably use #2, #3, #5, #19, #24, #29, #31 and #54...

So we could try and trade Casboult to them for #54 and #59, because they wouldn't use them anyway. That way we'd improve our draft position slightly and free up space on our list.


Michael Barlow (delisted)
Matt Rosa (retired)
Mackenzie Willis (delisted)
Michael Rischitelli (delisted/rerookied)
Tom Lynch (Richmond - RFA)
Aaron Hall (Norf)

6 there. Horlin-Smith, Ellis, Miles in. 3 left - not sure if Corbett and other SANFL bloke count. Assuming they do it's 1 left. Talk they'll delist-rerookie Wigg. I reckon KK and Scrimshaw go and Martin/May stay. That's 4 list spots. Maximum of 6.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Gold Coast have the following picks: #2, #3, #19, #24, #29, #59, #80 and they might get another top-10 for May (#5-ish), along with picks for Hall (#31-ish) and Kolodjashnij (#54ish).

They will probably have around 8 spots on the list to fill, which means they'll probably use #2, #3, #5, #19, #24, #29, #31 and #54...

So we could try and trade Casboult to them for #54 and #59, because they wouldn't use them anyway. That way we'd improve our draft position slightly and free up space on our list.


Michael Barlow (delisted)
Matt Rosa (retired)
Mackenzie Willis (delisted)
Michael Rischitelli (delisted/rerookied)
Tom Lynch (Richmond - RFA)
Aaron Hall (Norf)

6 there. Horlin-Smith, Ellis, Miles in. 3 left - not sure if Corbett and other SANFL bloke count. Assuming they do it's 1 left. Talk they'll delist-rerookie Wigg. I reckon KK and Scrimshaw go and Martin/May stay. That's 4 list spots. Maximum of 6.


I completely forgot about the state-league players.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:41 pm 
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Still concerned about our one-paced midfield to be honest.

Not about the quality - we have some great talent coming through now but Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Setterfield and Walsh are all slow. It would have to be one of the slowest in the AFL. Doc isn't quick either. Add to that our lack of pacy tackling small forwards and we could really be exposed next year in two way running.

I know SPS, Dow and Fisher have some zip (LOB and Williamson are average pace) but they don't really get enough of it at this stage. If someone like Pickett comes on that would be a huge bonus.

Really lacking the explosiveness of Collingwood midfield with Treloar, Adams, De Goey and forwards Stephenson and Hoskin-Elliot.

Though I guess Eagles midfield isn't express either. Hopefully I'm just over thinking it.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:13 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
This from the AFL site:
"Trade and free agency ins: Alex Fasolo, Mitch McGovern, Will Setterfield, pick 42, pick 71, future third-round selection (Adelaide)

Trade and free agency outs: Pick 26, pick 28, pre-listed state league player selections (Shane McAdam to Adelaide and Nathan Kreuger to Geelong)"


Effectively we got Fasolo, McGovern, Setterfield and 71 for our original 25 and 26 (I think those ones in red above are a bit off the mark).

Is that right?


No BS, we have also lost our 2019 2nd rounder and 5th rounder

Of course we have.
Thanks for that.
No wonder it looked too good to be true.
It was!
Damn AFL.com.au


Also we don’t have 42 anymore. That went as part of the Setterfield trade.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:28 am 
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Nick wrote:
Still concerned about our one-paced midfield to be honest.

Not about the quality - we have some great talent coming through now but Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Setterfield and Walsh are all slow. It would have to be one of the slowest in the AFL. Doc isn't quick either. Add to that our lack of pacy tackling small forwards and we could really be exposed next year in two way running.

I know SPS, Dow and Fisher have some zip (LOB and Williamson are average pace) but they don't really get enough of it at this stage. If someone like Pickett comes on that would be a huge bonus.

Really lacking the explosiveness of Collingwood midfield with Treloar, Adams, De Goey and forwards Stephenson and Hoskin-Elliot.

Though I guess Eagles midfield isn't express either. Hopefully I'm just over thinking it.


Walsh ran a flat 3s for the 20m test at the Combine. He’s not Usain Bolt but he’s not slow either particularly with an aerobic capacity that he has.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:30 am 
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Nick wrote:
Still concerned about our one-paced midfield to be honest.

Not about the quality - we have some great talent coming through now but Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Setterfield and Walsh are all slow. It would have to be one of the slowest in the AFL. Doc isn't quick either. Add to that our lack of pacy tackling small forwards and we could really be exposed next year in two way running.

I know SPS, Dow and Fisher have some zip (LOB and Williamson are average pace) but they don't really get enough of it at this stage. If someone like Pickett comes on that would be a huge bonus.

Really lacking the explosiveness of Collingwood midfield with Treloar, Adams, De Goey and forwards Stephenson and Hoskin-Elliot.

Though I guess Eagles midfield isn't express either. Hopefully I'm just over thinking it.

Adding Walsh and W.Hickmott would be a step in the right direction.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:46 am 
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Nick wrote:
Still concerned about our one-paced midfield to be honest.

Not about the quality - we have some great talent coming through now but Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Setterfield and Walsh are all slow. It would have to be one of the slowest in the AFL. Doc isn't quick either. Add to that our lack of pacy tackling small forwards and we could really be exposed next year in two way running.

I know SPS, Dow and Fisher have some zip (LOB and Williamson are average pace) but they don't really get enough of it at this stage. If someone like Pickett comes on that would be a huge bonus.

Really lacking the explosiveness of Collingwood midfield with Treloar, Adams, De Goey and forwards Stephenson and Hoskin-Elliot.

Though I guess Eagles midfield isn't express either. Hopefully I'm just over thinking it.


Considering that Walsh strength is considered his acceleration and compared to treloar, I'm not sure that we are a one pace midfield.

We have contested beasts in Cripps and Kennedy

We have speed and acceleration in Fisher, Walsh and Dow

We have x factor in SPS, a damaging accumulator in the Bomp mould in Setterfield and LOB will be that lethal kick when he gets enough games under his belt.

I like the mix that we have and if they can stay injury free and play together as a group, we will go very quickly up the ladder.

To me DeKoning is the key, if we can fast track him and develop him into a top end ruck, then we are well on our way if a little inexperienced


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:47 am 
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I remember the hype around Murph back in ‘05 - very similar to Walsh


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:50 am 
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Rexy wrote:
I remember the hype around Murph back in ‘05 - very similar to Walsh


There was hype around Murphy as a player and he went on to won a AFLCA award.

No hype around his leadership abilities.

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