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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:55 pm 
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Mitch Wallis or Neville Jetta appeal.

I'd even consider cheaply...
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Blair or Fasolo

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Wallis, Gaff and Guthrie provide mature midfield options we need.


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Dahlhaus, Gaff, Wallis, Guthrie, Liberatore, Duryea. All worth strong consideration IMO. Would probably target them in that order.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Gaff, Guthrie then either of Dahlhaus or Wallis from me


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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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Guthrie was a Blues supporter as a kid #goddardrule


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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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Guthrie was a Blues supporter as a kid #goddardrule

Didn’t he used to idolise Judd?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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frank dardew wrote:
Not sure they are necessarily mutually exclusive - can do both - free agency just requires cash which it is said that we have a war chest - not draft picks and then we simply use early draft picks to load up again on youth

prefer dual strategy given dearth of good 25 years old to 30 years old -a couple of exceptions - our young on -ballers would benefit greatly with a couple more strong mature on ballers


I'm going to go against the grain and post a "-1" for this idea Frank.

I would rather see us keep building from the ground up. I get that up to a point you can do both, but I think one factor that's overlooked in the FA frenzy is the impact on player morale. Almost by definition a FA will get "overs" - especially one going to a bottom club. If I was a good player at Carlton and someone I thought was more or less my standard came in on a lot more money it'd piss me off no end.

I'd rather we put the dollars into keeping the good ones we've got until we're a good enough team that some of these FAs want to come to us at a reasonable or even discount $$ because we're seen to be flag a chance.

I'm hoping that the form of Charlie and Harry, (plus with Cas there as well), has put paid to any idea of a mega $$ deal for Tom Lynch. Hopefully that's the "old Carlton" way and we've finally moved on.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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BigKev wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Not sure they are necessarily mutually exclusive - can do both - free agency just requires cash which it is said that we have a war chest - not draft picks and then we simply use early draft picks to load up again on youth

prefer dual strategy given dearth of good 25 years old to 30 years old -a couple of exceptions - our young on -ballers would benefit greatly with a couple more strong mature on ballers


I'm going to go against the grain and post a "-1" for this idea Frank.

I would rather see us keep building from the ground up. I get that up to a point you can do both, but I think one factor that's overlooked in the FA frenzy is the impact on player morale. Almost by definition a FA will get "overs" - especially one going to a bottom club. If I was a good player at Carlton and someone I thought was more or less my standard came in on a lot more money it'd piss me off no end.

I'd rather we put the dollars into keeping the good ones we've got until we're a good enough team that some of these FAs want to come to us at a reasonable or even discount $$ because we're seen to be flag a chance.

I'm hoping that the form of Charlie and Harry, (plus with Cas there as well), has put paid to any idea of a mega $$ deal for Tom Lynch. Hopefully that's the "old Carlton" way and we've finally moved on.


Tom Lynch won't come to Carlton. Why would he come to another team not competing? Free Agency is set up to assist the teams competing. In 6 years time the AFL will realise they have made a mistake on this, but that is after certain teams benefit from the loophole.

I like your faith in Casboult, but I gotta admit I don't have much in him.
Casboult has played over 100 games and has never kicked over 4 goals in a match!!!! That Swans dude kicked 7 as a small forward in his 3rd match!!

will Carlton plays better with him out of the team as long as Kreuzer is fit?
If Kreuzer isn't fit, bring him into the team as a reserve otherwise get games into McKay.


just as a matter of historical comparison, Adrian Gallagher was a small forward/rover and in 1969 he kicked 36 goals& in his 2nd year of 1965 he kicked 26 goals...this record betters a bloke who plays a key position player...admittedly in a crap team, but the 1960s was often a low-scoring game.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Phillips is a better reserve ruckman than Casboult.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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tap in 79 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Not sure they are necessarily mutually exclusive - can do both - free agency just requires cash which it is said that we have a war chest - not draft picks and then we simply use early draft picks to load up again on youth

prefer dual strategy given dearth of good 25 years old to 30 years old -a couple of exceptions - our young on -ballers would benefit greatly with a couple more strong mature on ballers


I'm going to go against the grain and post a "-1" for this idea Frank.

I would rather see us keep building from the ground up. I get that up to a point you can do both, but I think one factor that's overlooked in the FA frenzy is the impact on player morale. Almost by definition a FA will get "overs" - especially one going to a bottom club. If I was a good player at Carlton and someone I thought was more or less my standard came in on a lot more money it'd piss me off no end.

I'd rather we put the dollars into keeping the good ones we've got until we're a good enough team that some of these FAs want to come to us at a reasonable or even discount $$ because we're seen to be flag a chance.

I'm hoping that the form of Charlie and Harry, (plus with Cas there as well), has put paid to any idea of a mega $$ deal for Tom Lynch. Hopefully that's the "old Carlton" way and we've finally moved on.


Tom Lynch won't come to Carlton. Why would he come to another team not competing? Free Agency is set up to assist the teams competing. In 6 years time the AFL will realise they have made a mistake on this, but that is after certain teams benefit from the loophole.

I like your faith in Casboult, but I gotta admit I don't have much in him.
Casboult has played over 100 games and has never kicked over 4 goals in a match!!!! That Swans dude kicked 7 as a small forward in his 3rd match!!

will Carlton plays better with him out of the team as long as Kreuzer is fit?
If Kreuzer isn't fit, bring him into the team as a reserve otherwise get games into McKay.


just as a matter of historical comparison, Adrian Gallagher was a small forward/rover and in 1969 he kicked 36 goals& in his 2nd year of 1965 he kicked 26 goals...this record betters a bloke who plays a key position player...admittedly in a crap team, but the 1960s was often a low-scoring game.


I know there were some low scoring seasons in the 60s, but 1969 was the record-high scoring season at the time


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Gaff this year, Shiel the next. Best 2 mids available in next 2 drafts. Done.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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I'd go after Richard Douglas as an unrestricted free agent too. Not too much money. 3 year deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I'd go after Richard Douglas as an unrestricted free agent too. Not too much money. 3 year deal.


Douglas is 31


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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tap in 79 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Not sure they are necessarily mutually exclusive - can do both - free agency just requires cash which it is said that we have a war chest - not draft picks and then we simply use early draft picks to load up again on youth

prefer dual strategy given dearth of good 25 years old to 30 years old -a couple of exceptions - our young on -ballers would benefit greatly with a couple more strong mature on ballers


I'm going to go against the grain and post a "-1" for this idea Frank.

I would rather see us keep building from the ground up. I get that up to a point you can do both, but I think one factor that's overlooked in the FA frenzy is the impact on player morale. Almost by definition a FA will get "overs" - especially one going to a bottom club. If I was a good player at Carlton and someone I thought was more or less my standard came in on a lot more money it'd piss me off no end.

I'd rather we put the dollars into keeping the good ones we've got until we're a good enough team that some of these FAs want to come to us at a reasonable or even discount $$ because we're seen to be flag a chance.

I'm hoping that the form of Charlie and Harry, (plus with Cas there as well), has put paid to any idea of a mega $$ deal for Tom Lynch. Hopefully that's the "old Carlton" way and we've finally moved on.


Tom Lynch won't come to Carlton. Why would he come to another team not competing? Free Agency is set up to assist the teams competing. In 6 years time the AFL will realise they have made a mistake on this, but that is after certain teams benefit from the loophole.

I like your faith in Casboult, but I gotta admit I don't have much in him.
Casboult has played over 100 games and has never kicked over 4 goals in a match!!!! That Swans dude kicked 7 as a small forward in his 3rd match!!

will Carlton plays better with him out of the team as long as Kreuzer is fit?
If Kreuzer isn't fit, bring him into the team as a reserve otherwise get games into McKay.


just as a matter of historical comparison, Adrian Gallagher was a small forward/rover and in 1969 he kicked 36 goals& in his 2nd year of 1965 he kicked 26 goals...this record betters a bloke who plays a key position player...admittedly in a crap team, but the 1960s was often a low-scoring game.


Geez tap - you read a lot into "plus with Cas there as well". :wink:

FWIW I don't see Cas as future star foward, but I think that he does have a role to play whilst Charlie and Harry are maturing.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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bluechampion wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I'd go after Richard Douglas as an unrestricted free agent too. Not too much money. 3 year deal.


Douglas is 31


2 year deal

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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One bloke i would enquire about would be Toby McLean from the Dogs.Not high profile i know but a gun midfielder waiting to happen.Starved of opportunities at the Dogs.Only gets a run in the guts when there top liners feel like a rest.Plays mainly halfback half forward with an occasional run in the middle.Despite runs up 25 to 30 touches a match and averages a couple of goals a match.Given an extended run in the middle he would star.And would not command megabucks of some more high profile players.And only about 22 years old.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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https://sportsdayradio.com.au/2018/05/1 ... ent-plans/

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Liddle has highlighted the need for the club to pursue players in their mid-20’s to compliment the exciting youngsters and veterans that make up a large portion of their list.

While they are still determined to continue to go to the draft and blood quality young talent, this year’s free agency period looms as a busy one for Carlton.

“We’ve mentioned a number of times long before I got here that we were intent on going to three drafts,” Liddle told Sportsday.

“Now we’ve done that and at this stage we’re really happy with how those players are coming along.

“Time will tell as to how successful we have been there but we absolutely need to look at balancing our list management strategy around continuing to go to the draft and getting the best young players.

“But equally looking to start bringing some players in who will fill some gaps in our list, and there’s a very obvious age demographic that we don’t have on our list at the moment; that sort of 24, 25 and 26-year old.

“Yes we will certainly be starting to look at free agency and uncontracted players, particularly players who fall into that age demographic.

“I’m not a believer in that a list needs to look a certain way and ultimately it’s Steven Silvagni and Mick Agresta that sort of build that.

“But there does look to be a gap in that age demographic that we need to fill.”

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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One bloke i would enquire about would be Toby McLean from the Dogs.Not high profile i know but a gun midfielder waiting to happen.Starved of opportunities at the Dogs.Only gets a run in the guts when there top liners feel like a rest.Plays mainly halfback half forward with an occasional run in the middle.Despite runs up 25 to 30 touches a match and averages a couple of goals a match.Given an extended run in the middle he would star.And would not command megabucks of some more high profile players.And only about 22 years old.


Interesting you point out his a peripheral player at the Dogs.

I thought he is part of that midfield dog pack. He's good.

If he's peripheral/ depth for Doggies then it's a great idea to target him.

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Best option to support Cripps ? Ollie Wines !
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
One bloke i would enquire about would be Toby McLean from the Dogs.Not high profile i know but a gun midfielder waiting to happen.Starved of opportunities at the Dogs.Only gets a run in the guts when there top liners feel like a rest.Plays mainly halfback half forward with an occasional run in the middle.Despite runs up 25 to 30 touches a match and averages a couple of goals a match.Given an extended run in the middle he would star.And would not command megabucks of some more high profile players.And only about 22 years old.


Interesting you point out his a peripheral player at the Dogs.

I thought he is part of that midfield dog pack. He's good.

If he's peripheral/ depth for Doggies then it's a great idea to target him.


I couldn't handle watching him drop his knees and duck for high tackles every week. Once a year does my head in already.

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tap in 79 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Not sure they are necessarily mutually exclusive - can do both - free agency just requires cash which it is said that we have a war chest - not draft picks and then we simply use early draft picks to load up again on youth

prefer dual strategy given dearth of good 25 years old to 30 years old -a couple of exceptions - our young on -ballers would benefit greatly with a couple more strong mature on ballers


I'm going to go against the grain and post a "-1" for this idea Frank.

I would rather see us keep building from the ground up. I get that up to a point you can do both, but I think one factor that's overlooked in the FA frenzy is the impact on player morale. Almost by definition a FA will get "overs" - especially one going to a bottom club. If I was a good player at Carlton and someone I thought was more or less my standard came in on a lot more money it'd piss me off no end.

I'd rather we put the dollars into keeping the good ones we've got until we're a good enough team that some of these FAs want to come to us at a reasonable or even discount $$ because we're seen to be flag a chance.

I'm hoping that the form of Charlie and Harry, (plus with Cas there as well), has put paid to any idea of a mega $$ deal for Tom Lynch. Hopefully that's the "old Carlton" way and we've finally moved on.


Tom Lynch won't come to Carlton. Why would he come to another team not competing? Free Agency is set up to assist the teams competing. In 6 years time the AFL will realise they have made a mistake on this, but that is after certain teams benefit from the loophole.

I like your faith in Casboult, but I gotta admit I don't have much in him.
Casboult has played over 100 games and has never kicked over 4 goals in a match!!!! That Swans dude kicked 7 as a small forward in his 3rd match!!

will Carlton plays better with him out of the team as long as Kreuzer is fit?
If Kreuzer isn't fit, bring him into the team as a reserve otherwise get games into McKay.


just as a matter of historical comparison, Adrian Gallagher was a small forward/rover and in 1969 he kicked 36 goals& in his 2nd year of 1965 he kicked 26 goals...this record betters a bloke who plays a key position player...admittedly in a crap team, but the 1960s was often a low-scoring game.


Eddie Betts also has a better record than Casboult, I’m not sure what your point is?


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