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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:25 pm 
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Well said Alastair. You've never needed low draft picks like Hodge (pick 1), Lewis (pick 7), Roughead (pick 2), Franklin (pick 5), Birchill (pick 14), or Rioli (pick 12).


Exactly.

I know what he's saying....Elliot was saying something on similar lines.

ou need to build a quality list before you can be in Hawks' position and that's what we are building towards.

Whatever type we are short on, outside speed, a KP,or a mid or two, once we have a list of talented players we have developed we will fill those gaps. Simples

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:30 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
This writer from The Age seems to be on the same track as me in regards to how cellar dwellers stay cellar dwellers for many years.

He refers to those clubs as "rebuilders" vs "renovators". I refer to them as Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs. The Tier 1 and Tier 3 clubs rarely change.

The sheer fact is that Hawthorn can afford to be arrogant about it all. This is a quote below from Clarkson. They never have to rebuild as they are in a position of strength and never need to drop down to rebuild. Either does Geelong or Sydney.

The system needs alteration...that is unless everyone thinks that Hawthorn's 35 million pay day via Tasmania is "equitable" whilst Carlton pays an "equalisation tax" to help other clubs above it on the ladder.

Clarkson said -
"For some clubs, grand final day is towards the end of November and that's because they've got all those high draft picks, but that's never been our go." - Alastair Clarkson, April 2, 2018.
Exactly...the system is there for Hawthorn to use. For Carlton supporters, the big day is draft day...rinse and repeat. It ain't gonna change anything for quite a few years.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 4zaxv.html


I know what you're saying, but we've had 15 years of high picks and chances to build a quality team around a strong culture.

For some reason, we haven't been able to achieve that. Even when we weren't officially 're-building', we still kept our top picks - but wasted them. When Clarkson took over the dawks, they were a rabble. They built their list and a mental strength that we can only dream of.

I know that's what Bolts is trying to do now, but Murphy is no Hodge - and we need a Hodge. Sometimes you think someone is a quality leader, but you're not 100% sure because you haven't seen that one thing that sets them aside from the rest - well, I saw it on Saturday night.

Cripps is our man.


He is a leader of men.

The kids will grow around him.

His leadership will attract quality players we need to fill gaps with.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:57 pm 
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Not to mention rorting the free agency system allowing you to get AA players at bargain basement prices from bottom sides in return for the promise for the player of premiership medallions...


And offloading of Hay for a first round pick and the Veale deal


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:18 pm 
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Trde oick 1 for Dylan Shiel? In a heartbeat.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Trde oick 1 for Dylan Shiel? In a heartbeat.


Free Agency means we don't have to.

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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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Trde oick 1 for Dylan Shiel? In a heartbeat.


He would be free next year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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The Normal One wrote:
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Trde oick 1 for Dylan Shiel? In a heartbeat.


He would be free next year.




billc3 wrote:
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Would be brilliant to get Shiel.... That would be hard unless the ' go home ' factor pops up.

The thing with Shiel is that he, and his family, are apparently all massive Carlton people.

Granted, it's not far from "he supported us as a kid" but it's a start at least.
See him around often at local coffee shops. .. I'll sound him out? :lol: :lol:



Okay okay... I'll sound him out

:lol:

He's definitely what we need.
I like the idea of stabilising a spine then chasing gun mids (wouldn't YOU want to play with Cripps??).

The other way around (Bowers, Davies, O'Keeffe, Mitchell, Watson.... Insert SPUD KPP here) didn't quite work while we had just about the best midfield going around.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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The more Games I see, the more I am beginning to think that SOS's adventure to bring the GWS boys across to our Club, was yet another Scam, designed to give us a false hope of Security! Complete Waste of picks!

Good players but never has any potential to become A Graders or even B Graders.... so what was the point??


Kenndy- The more I see of him, the more I say " WTF is this?? " a Complete lazy footballer.... total hack- D Grader
Marchbank & Plowman- Average players- they can do a good job on their day but Injury Prone and C Graders at best
Lamb- Showed us something in his first year but raised the White Flag this year- Can't get any better- Average C Grader
Philips: Honest Average Ruckman- Never going to be an A Grader.


Add to that the ones we already Delisted last year!!! So why are we still going down the path of Recycled Rubbish??


Was there any purpose or benefit to the Club in recruiting the following Hacks for 2018? those players are not only complete Recycled Rubbish but they are expired too


Cam OShea
Mullet
Lobe
Lang ( Yet to prove he can get himself on the park- was always a C Average player at Geelong )


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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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You almost had me. Funny guy.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Marchbank & Plowman- Average players- they can do a good job on their day but Injury Prone and C Graders at best


Marchbank a C grader at best?
Surely you're taking the piss?

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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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What a post.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:29 pm 
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I think you may have lost a month there. It's May 1, not April 1.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Lang played fpr Geelong in a prelim. He must go OK.
They would be thinking they could do wit him atm with their midfield mostly injured. That's the issue with Geelong. You have to be better than Dangerfield, Selwood(s) and Ablett just to get a game.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Blue Vain wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Marchbank & Plowman- Average players- they can do a good job on their day but Injury Prone and C Graders at best


Marchbank a C grader at best?
Surely you're taking the piss?


I think Dodo was referring to his game last weekend where he was selected, obviously underdone, because of team desperation to have a player of his quality back in.

Of all the players Dodo mentions I consider Marchbank as a borderline A-B player from what he's shown thus far at Carlton, not what the afl.com experts suggest. :oops:

I really believe he will be considered an A grader by 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Lang played fpr Geelong in a prelim. He must go OK.
They would be thinking they could do wit him atm with their midfield mostly injured. That's the issue with Geelong. You have to be better than Dangerfield, Selwood(s) and Ablett just to get a game.


Right on BS!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:31 pm 
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IMO When recruiting from other clubs the following rules must apply:

    1.A and B Graders ... Recruit
    2.Young players who have not performed but show potential ... Recruit
    3.Players with a few seasons under their belt but have been delisted ... Never Recruit

For example:

1. Applys to Marchbank
2. Applys to Pickett
3. Applys to Mullet/O'Shea/Shaw

Of course ... we have been stung by rule 2 before ... but we have also had gains.
Rule 3 is the most important. Invariably C Graders and List Cloggers.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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trade plowman now or use him in swap for picks while he still has value.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Why would we want to trade Plowman.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Why would we want to trade Plowman.

Because some people don’t like him....ie he is a big poo poo head


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 Post subject: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:16 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
IMO When recruiting from other clubs the following rules must apply:

    1.A and B Graders ... Recruit
    2.Young players who have not performed but show potential ... Recruit
    3.Players with a few seasons under their belt but have been delisted ... Never Recruit

For example:

1. Applys to Marchbank
2. Applys to Pickett
3. Applys to Mullet/O'Shea/Shaw

Of course ... we have been stung by rule 2 before ... but we have also had gains.
Rule 3 is the most important. Invariably C Graders and List Cloggers.


Or 3. Provides depth to ease the load when kids are out of form or injured. This is more our plan for recruiting them I believe. Cheap 1yr contracts that serve a purpose tactically, not strategically.


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