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And then watch the same Harry Hindsighters spend the next five years slagging us for not keeping the Number 1 pick.

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Lloyd and Silvagni are better off playing football against each other rather than debating each other.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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SOS has never been a polished media performer and gets very nervous in front of a camera and audience when speaking.

If he doesnt' have his ducks in a row - (actually it would be better if Wayne Carey was conducting the interview) then he will be stitched up.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/14/king-ive-never-seen-a-list-overhauled-in-three-years-like-carltons/


“They’ve made 40 changes to their list in three years. The next highest is the Gold Coast who’ve been as much of a mess as anyone and they’ve turned over 34.

“If you go to the other end of the spectrum, you’ve got the Dogs and St Kilda who’ve only turned over 22 players.

“That’s almost half of what Carlton’s done. It’s not just a new team, there’s so many new faces coming in, you’ve got no cohesion, no shared experiences and you’re still learning the game plan and how to be an AFL footballer and how to be a professional.


Good pick up. Thanks for posting.

David King is one of the few media performers I enjoy listening to, as he provides real insight.

They are yet again good points he has made.

He has also pointed out that the AFL needs to step in to reform the draft, free agency, trading system, which I agree with. Few media commentators are looking at how the system operates. For example, Would they look at increasing the drafting age by 1-2 years for instance so clubs can give players more time to mature before being drafted?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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tap in 79 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/14/king-ive-never-seen-a-list-overhauled-in-three-years-like-carltons/


“They’ve made 40 changes to their list in three years. The next highest is the Gold Coast who’ve been as much of a mess as anyone and they’ve turned over 34.

“If you go to the other end of the spectrum, you’ve got the Dogs and St Kilda who’ve only turned over 22 players.

“That’s almost half of what Carlton’s done. It’s not just a new team, there’s so many new faces coming in, you’ve got no cohesion, no shared experiences and you’re still learning the game plan and how to be an AFL footballer and how to be a professional.


Good pick up. Thanks for posting.

David King is one of the few media performers I enjoy listening to, as he provides real insight.

They are yet again good points he has made.

He has also pointed out that the AFL needs to step in to reform the draft, free agency, trading system, which I agree with. Few media commentators are looking at how the system operates. For example, Would they look at increasing the drafting age by 1-2 years for instance so clubs can give players more time to mature before being drafted?

I don't think the draft age is an issue, it's clubs, members, media wanting/expecting immediate success from players.
IMO better off changing contracts from draftee's from 2 to 3 or maybe 4 years.
The AFL also need to look at having a genuine reserves and possibly an u20 competition for AFL clubs, you draft the kids and bring them up through your system.
More players in an AFL system could help increasing the talent pool.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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BIBI01 wrote:
I don't think the draft age is an issue, it's clubs, members, media wanting/expecting immediate success from players.
IMO better off changing contracts from draftee's from 2 to 3 or maybe 4 years.
The AFL also need to look at having a genuine reserves and possibly an u20 competition for AFL clubs, you draft the kids and bring them up through your system.
More players in an AFL system could help increasing the talent pool.


I like that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Rexy wrote:
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I don't think the draft age is an issue, it's clubs, members, media wanting/expecting immediate success from players.
IMO better off changing contracts from draftee's from 2 to 3 or maybe 4 years.
The AFL also need to look at having a genuine reserves and possibly an u20 competition for AFL clubs, you draft the kids and bring them up through your system.
More players in an AFL system could help increasing the talent pool.


I like that.

The wheel would have turned a complete circle.
SOS, Mil and others came up via te U19s.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.

I think their reasoning is that the youngsters need some mature bodies to take the heat off them. But your reasoning is correct, but we need to find some big bodies to give them some relief. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.

Have concluded the same Bk.
We need a good mix of both . Would be very hard to take walking away from Walsh ir Rankine for mine....kinda hope they are a bit further down the order so we can get everything. Whatever happens some will be excited and some disappointed I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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I agree - looking for some clever maneuvering where we turn picks into multiple picks and turns these into kids and older players

This will be a very interesting trade period!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Mmm I kindo of like that....
Except if we trade away one great player for a coupla middling to fair.
This reminds me how important training, development and medical staff are. Oh geez. I so do not envy SOS right now. He could look bad wven if he makes great choices without the right support staff for new players.
It is so difficult pretendy running this club from the couch. Exhausting! :smoking: :smoking:

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It is so difficult pretendy running this club from the couch. Exhausting! :smoking: :smoking:



ha. i'm tired and want a holiday.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


Looking at what SOS did at GWS and listening to his view over the journey, I don't think he will go down that route. He values early draft picks very highly and wont trade for unders.


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Braithy wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
It is so difficult pretendy running this club from the couch. Exhausting! :smoking: :smoking:



ha. i'm tired and want a holiday.

:lol:

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Steve_C7 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


Looking at what SOS did at GWS and listening to his view over the journey, I don't think he will go down that route. He values early draft picks very highly and wont trade for unders.



Agree with you , Silvagni can't possibly trade Pick 1 in any draft unless it's clearly in our favor.
Especially with such enormous talents as Lukosius or Rankine . They are quite sensational.
Any deal to pass on either would have to be very attractive to CFC. Drafts 2018 &19 have excellent strong top ten, next year has quite a few quality midfielders .

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David Swallow of GC weighing up his future...
Any one here interested in him?


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bmaurizio wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


Looking at what SOS did at GWS and listening to his view over the journey, I don't think he will go down that route. He values early draft picks very highly and wont trade for unders.



Agree with you , Silvagni can't possibly trade Pick 1 in any draft unless it's clearly in our favor.
Especially with such enormous talents as Lukosius or Rankine . They are quite sensational.
Any deal to pass on either would have to be very attractive to CFC. Drafts 2018 &19 have excellent strong top ten, next year has quite a few quality midfielders .


i have the same view also.

what has had my wheels turning since that interview on monday night is SOS' quote, "everything's for sale". what does that mean?? especially if we hold onto our first pick.

which players would we trade?
any from the last 3 drafts?

i'm so curious.


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johnny wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


Looking at what SOS did at GWS and listening to his view over the journey, I don't think he will go down that route. He values early draft picks very highly and wont trade for unders.



Agree with you , Silvagni can't possibly trade Pick 1 in any draft unless it's clearly in our favor.
Especially with such enormous talents as Lukosius or Rankine . They are quite sensational.
Any deal to pass on either would have to be very attractive to CFC. Drafts 2018 &19 have excellent strong top ten, next year has quite a few quality midfielders .


i have the same view also.

what has had my wheels turning since that interview on monday night is SOS' quote, "everything's for sale". what does that mean?? especially if we hold onto our first pick.

which players would we trade?
any from the last 3 drafts?

i'm so curious.


What that means is that we will look at any and all offers, it does not mean that we will accept any offers. i.e if you want pick 1 then be prepared to pony up something special.


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Steve_C7 wrote:
johnny wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The thing that concerns me after listening to both SOS and MLG is that they both keep talking about how they said that they were going to go to three drafts and we've done that. The obvious implication is that we're now particularly amenable to trading picks for ready made players. Geez I hope we don't go down that path. Three drafts is not enough. I'd like at least three more kids in this year via top 30 picks, and preferably four or more, (I'm still hopeful that we'll stop this "no PP for us" nonsense at the end of the year).

I seem to be in a minority on this, presumably because people are sick of losing and want something done about it now. I can handle losing now to give us the best shot at a flag in five years, (I reckon that's as soon as it could happen). In five years any kids we draft now will be 22-23. The guns we're developing now will be in their mid to late 20's. It could work out perfectly.


Looking at what SOS did at GWS and listening to his view over the journey, I don't think he will go down that route. He values early draft picks very highly and wont trade for unders.



Agree with you , Silvagni can't possibly trade Pick 1 in any draft unless it's clearly in our favor.
Especially with such enormous talents as Lukosius or Rankine . They are quite sensational.
Any deal to pass on either would have to be very attractive to CFC. Drafts 2018 &19 have excellent strong top ten, next year has quite a few quality midfielders .


i have the same view also.

what has had my wheels turning since that interview on monday night is SOS' quote, "everything's for sale". what does that mean?? especially if we hold onto our first pick.

which players would we trade?
any from the last 3 drafts?

i'm so curious.


What that means is that we will look at any and all offers, it does not mean that we will accept any offers. i.e if you want pick 1 then be prepared to pony up something special.



Yep spot on, if ever there was a draft to have pick 1 in its 2018.
As we know Lukosius and Rankine are enormusly talent. Obviosuly they'll need a couple seasons to show full potenal, they'll be superstars.
It would take a very attractive and lucrative offer to pass on either player.
Lets sit back, enjoy the ride, we can't lose .
If Silvagni can secure any two mature age quality midfielders such as, Beams, Dahlhaus, Sallow or Shiel, by trading Pick 1do it. Its very valuable commodity.

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