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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:25 pm 
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We can bring him in for round 23,just so he can get injured for the pre-season...

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redback wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season

Tom Williamson - Back - Season

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17



now from that list rexy, honestly who is a proven performer in the seniors on excluding Marchbank, Doc and for some Plowman
Simpson has only missed one game
My point injury, list is over rated

Inability to put anything close to a consistent team on the field from week to week clearly has no bearing.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
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Donstuie wrote:
redback wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season

Tom Williamson - Back - Season

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17



now from that list rexy, honestly who is a proven performer in the seniors on excluding Marchbank, Doc and for some Plowman
Simpson has only missed one game
My point injury, list is over rated

Inability to put anything close to a consistent team on the field from week to week clearly has no bearing.


Injuries don't matter when no one know what is going on.
Ressies/seniors they are all stuffed. No one is making a difference in either team.
If they don't change the way we play we won't be winning games.
I just hope next year they allow the players to hit up targets and a flowing game plan.
Like previous years we choke sides anti a boring game and flooding but their entries are structured our goals forced, laborious and by chance.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:30 pm 
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redback wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
redback wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season

Tom Williamson - Back - Season

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17



now from that list rexy, honestly who is a proven performer in the seniors on excluding Marchbank, Doc and for some Plowman
Simpson has only missed one game
My point injury, list is over rated

Inability to put anything close to a consistent team on the field from week to week clearly has no bearing.


Injuries don't matter when no one know what is going on.
Ressies/seniors they are all stuffed. No one is making a difference in either team.
If they don't change the way we play we won't be winning games.
I just hope next year they allow the players to hit up targets and a flowing game plan.
Like previous years we choke sides anti a boring game and flooding but their entries are structured our goals forced, laborious and by chance.


????? The whole year we have been missing these and other key players through injury and we have not had a stable team on the ground, especially our backline. The coaching staff have been trying to consistently plug holes in positions with players that are either too young or not experienced enough in that position, how can you form a game plan around that? Plus, our core players are 28yo above or 20yo under, this is why our injuries can affect the team so badly, especially a team deficient in B+ mid tier players.
Look at Adelaide this year and Hawthorn and North last year.

The reason the NB's are stuffed too, is the depth of our injury list, between 10-15 players all year.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
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Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test Half back

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test chb

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test back

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test small fwd

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test half back

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week half back

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week ruck/fwd

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks mid

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks bback

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks half back

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season ruck/fwd

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season back

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season back

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season back

Tom Williamson - Back - Season back

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17


It's not only how many you have at any one time but there they play.
This is what happened under Ratts's last year. We had injuries all from the same group, which meant that their potential replacements and THEIR potential replacements were unavailable to fill in.

This is why players who many TCers don't want in the team are running out each week. Our back line and almost all of the potential replacement players are watching the games from the sidelines. Our potential half back line of Docherty, Silvagni and Williamson have played a total of (drum roll) ZERO games for the year. Marchbank 6 so far. Plowman about 12 and out for the rest of the year.
Someone made the point in another thread about Richmond losing Rance and a couple of others for the season how they would fare. Well, the answer depends on whether their backup players are available.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:44 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test Half back

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test chb

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test back

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test small fwd

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test half back

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week half back

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week ruck/fwd

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks mid

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks bback

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks half back

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season ruck/fwd

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season back

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season back

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season back

Tom Williamson - Back - Season back

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17


It's not only how many you have at any one time but there they play.
This is what happened under Ratts's last year. We had injuries all from the same group, which meant that their potential replacements and THEIR potential replacements were unavailable to fill in.

This is why players who many TCers don't want in the team are running out each week. Our back line and almost all of the potential replacement players are watching the games from the sidelines. Our potential half back line of Docherty, Silvagni and Williamson have played a total of (drum roll) ZERO games for the year. Marchbank 6 so far. Plowman about 12 and out for the rest of the year.
Someone made the point in another thread about Richmond losing Rance and a couple of others for the season how they would fare. Well, the answer depends on whether their backup players are available.



We still won 11 games that year bs.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
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redback wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test Half back

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test chb

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test back

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test small fwd

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test half back

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week half back

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week ruck/fwd

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks mid

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks bback

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks half back

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season ruck/fwd

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season back

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season back

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season back

Tom Williamson - Back - Season back

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17


It's not only how many you have at any one time but there they play.
This is what happened under Ratts's last year. We had injuries all from the same group, which meant that their potential replacements and THEIR potential replacements were unavailable to fill in.

This is why players who many TCers don't want in the team are running out each week. Our back line and almost all of the potential replacement players are watching the games from the sidelines. Our potential half back line of Docherty, Silvagni and Williamson have played a total of (drum roll) ZERO games for the year. Marchbank 6 so far. Plowman about 12 and out for the rest of the year.
Someone made the point in another thread about Richmond losing Rance and a couple of others for the season how they would fare. Well, the answer depends on whether their backup players are available.



We still won 11 games that year bs.

How did Ratts go.
It was a big drop fdown from the previous wasn't it?
This year we have most our injurues from one group. I am drawing a long bow but I am suggesting we would have gone better if they had have been spread about a bit.

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redback wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Injury list pre-Round 17:

Kade Simpson - Calf - Test Half back

Jacob Weitering - Calf - Test chb

Caleb Marchbank - Heart - Test back

Kym Lebois - Knee - Test small fwd

Angus Schumacher - Groin - Test half back

Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring - 1 Week half back

Tom De Koning - Hamstring - 1 Week ruck/fwd

Sam Kerridge - Groin - 1-2 Weeks mid

Jesse Glass-McCasker - Knee - 4-5 Weeks bback

David Cuningham - Hamstring - 5-7 Weeks half back

Andrew Phillips - Hamstring - Season ruck/fwd

Lachie Plowman - Knee - Season back

Alex Silvagni - Achilles - Season back

Sam Docherty - Knee - Season back

Tom Williamson - Back - Season back

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... t-round-17


It's not only how many you have at any one time but there they play.
This is what happened under Ratts's last year. We had injuries all from the same group, which meant that their potential replacements and THEIR potential replacements were unavailable to fill in.

This is why players who many TCers don't want in the team are running out each week. Our back line and almost all of the potential replacement players are watching the games from the sidelines. Our potential half back line of Docherty, Silvagni and Williamson have played a total of (drum roll) ZERO games for the year. Marchbank 6 so far. Plowman about 12 and out for the rest of the year.
Someone made the point in another thread about Richmond losing Rance and a couple of others for the season how they would fare. Well, the answer depends on whether their backup players are available.



We still won 11 games that year bs.

Probably helped having these guys on the list to start with:
- Judd
- Murphy (best year)
- Gibbs
- Carrots
- Simpson
- Waite
- Jamison
- Betts
- Kreuz / Jacobs / Warnock / Hampson as ruck choices
- Yarran (pre-meltdown)
- Garlett and Robinson (pre-misdemeanours)

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
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We will never agree on these point i know but injuries is just one departmental reasoning and a good run of injuries helps, we know that.
The fact is we play an uninspiring brand of footy that restricts our high draft picks strengths.
Our game plan is one that is non threatening to the opposition so we are unlikely to win many games.
Our players look overwhelmed and disinterested.
Our reserves are just as bad as our seniors and if called up are out of their depth and are unable to take their opportunity.
Our team selections are bewildering to say the least.
Players are played in foreign roles they they are incapable of achieving a reasonable outcome (and not just because of injury status).
We play underdone and injured players for no apparent goal.

These are the concerns that multiple our and magnify the situation we are currently in.
If there is some master plan at the end of it (apart from tanking) i will be pleasantly surprised, but if it continued next year then i am sorry Bolton and his cohorts are not the man for us.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 injury tracker
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:43 pm 
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Effes wrote:
SuperFooty (AFL)
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Where is your club on the injury ladder? @RalphyHeraldSun takes a look at who has been the worst hit. FULL LIST: https://bit.ly/2u50rPD

Collingwood and Carlton lead the AFL’s injury ladder, Richmond among clubs to avoid injury pain
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
July 9, 2018 6:36pm
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JAMIE Elliott could return from a nine-week hamstring recovery on Thursday as the full extent of Collingwood’s injury toll is laid bare.

The Pies star is considered a strong likelihood of playing in an intraclub game at the Holden Centre as the second-placed Pies navigate a VFL bye.

Champion Data statistics show Collingwood and Carlton have both lost 156 games to injury this year — the most in the competition.


Anyone who doesn't believe injuries have a huge impact is kidding themselves. Have a look at the teams severely impacted by injuries and they've mostly gone significantly backwards from where they were last year. It's not a coincidence.
The only exception is Collingwood but if you drill down on the numbers, you'll find their core group have been remarkably resilient.
Last years Top 7 in the Copeland Trophy were-
Steele Sidebottom
Taylor Adams
Adam Treloar
Jeremy Howe
Brodie Grundy
Scott Pendlebury
Jack Crisp

Between them they've missed a total of 7 games! Thats their entire midfield including their gun ruckman and their best defender.

Look at our top 7 from the B&F last year.
Marc Murphy (missed 9 games)
Sam Docherty (missed entire season)
Kruezer (Missed 4 games and failed to finish another 2)
Bryce Gibbs (Gone)
Kade Simpson (currently out)
Matthew Wright
Lachie Plowman (out for the season)

Add best 22 players, Marchbank (missed 10 games), Williamson (Season) Pickett (missed 13 games), Byrne (missed 13 games)

It's not opinion. The data backs it up as fact. Injuries severely impact team performance.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
SuperFooty (AFL)
‏Verified account @superfooty

Where is your club on the injury ladder? @RalphyHeraldSun takes a look at who has been the worst hit. FULL LIST: https://bit.ly/2u50rPD

Collingwood and Carlton lead the AFL’s injury ladder, Richmond among clubs to avoid injury pain
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
July 9, 2018 6:36pm
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JAMIE Elliott could return from a nine-week hamstring recovery on Thursday as the full extent of Collingwood’s injury toll is laid bare.

The Pies star is considered a strong likelihood of playing in an intraclub game at the Holden Centre as the second-placed Pies navigate a VFL bye.

Champion Data statistics show Collingwood and Carlton have both lost 156 games to injury this year — the most in the competition.


Anyone who doesn't believe injuries have a huge impact is kidding themselves. Have a look at the teams severely impacted by injuries and they've mostly gone significantly backwards from where they were last year. It's not a coincidence.
The only exception is Collingwood but if you drill down on the numbers, you'll find their core group have been remarkably resilient.
Last years Top 7 in the Copeland Trophy were-
Steele Sidebottom
Taylor Adams
Adam Treloar
Jeremy Howe
Brodie Grundy
Scott Pendlebury
Jack Crisp

Between them they've missed a total of 7 games! Thats their entire midfield including their gun ruckman and their best defender.

Look at our top 7 from the B&F last year.
Marc Murphy (missed 9 games)
Sam Docherty (missed entire season)
Kruezer (Missed 4 games and failed to finish another 2)
Bryce Gibbs (Gone)
Kade Simpson (currently out)
Matthew Wright
Lachie Plowman (out for the season)

Add best 22 players, Marchbank (missed 10 games), Williamson (Season) Pickett (missed 13 games), Byrne (missed 13 games)

It's not opinion. The data backs it up as fact. Injuries severely impact team performance.


Interesting stats there BV. Treloar currently out but expects to be back for finals. We haven't been able to take a trick.

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Not a factor apparently. We’re just shit because Carlton.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
SuperFooty (AFL)
‏Verified account @superfooty

Where is your club on the injury ladder? @RalphyHeraldSun takes a look at who has been the worst hit. FULL LIST: https://bit.ly/2u50rPD

Collingwood and Carlton lead the AFL’s injury ladder, Richmond among clubs to avoid injury pain
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
July 9, 2018 6:36pm
Subscriber only

JAMIE Elliott could return from a nine-week hamstring recovery on Thursday as the full extent of Collingwood’s injury toll is laid bare.

The Pies star is considered a strong likelihood of playing in an intraclub game at the Holden Centre as the second-placed Pies navigate a VFL bye.

Champion Data statistics show Collingwood and Carlton have both lost 156 games to injury this year — the most in the competition.


Anyone who doesn't believe injuries have a huge impact is kidding themselves. Have a look at the teams severely impacted by injuries and they've mostly gone significantly backwards from where they were last year. It's not a coincidence.
The only exception is Collingwood but if you drill down on the numbers, you'll find their core group have been remarkably resilient.
Last years Top 7 in the Copeland Trophy were-
Steele Sidebottom
Taylor Adams
Adam Treloar
Jeremy Howe
Brodie Grundy
Scott Pendlebury
Jack Crisp

Between them they've missed a total of 7 games! Thats their entire midfield including their gun ruckman and their best defender.

Look at our top 7 from the B&F last year.
Marc Murphy (missed 9 games)
Sam Docherty (missed entire season)
Kruezer (Missed 4 games and failed to finish another 2)
Bryce Gibbs (Gone)
Kade Simpson (currently out)
Matthew Wright
Lachie Plowman (out for the season)

Add best 22 players, Marchbank (missed 10 games), Williamson (Season) Pickett (missed 13 games), Byrne (missed 13 games)

It's not opinion. The data backs it up as fact. Injuries severely impact team performance.


Gibbs and Doc are the outs,.
Murphy and Marchbank the others with some merit.
Simmo 1 game, Plowman the rest of the year.
The others haven't even proven consistent best 22.
Just like the rest of the comp you lose players you pick up players.
If your coach and his support staff can't adjust then they might not just be up for the fight, hey just like our team that got embarrassed by the second last team on the weekend.
Was that one you were counting on being a win.


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Gibbs and Doc are the outs,.
Murphy and Marchbank the others with some merit.


Some merit? :lol:
Reigning B&F, our best user forward of centre and would easily walk into every other team in the AFL.
You wouldnt have a @#$%&! clue.

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redback wrote:
We will never agree on these point i know but injuries is just one departmental reasoning and a good run of injuries helps, we know that.
The fact is we play an uninspiring brand of footy that restricts our high draft picks strengths. Injuries
Our game plan is one that is non threatening to the opposition so we are unlikely to win many games. Injuries
Our players look overwhelmed and disinterested. Injuries
Our reserves are just as bad as our seniors and if called up are out of their depth and are unable to take their opportunity. Injuries
Our team selections are bewildering to say the least. Injuries
Players are played in foreign roles they they are incapable of achieving a reasonable outcome (and not just because of injury status). Injuries
We play underdone and injured players for no apparent goal. Injuries

These are the concerns that multiple our and magnify the situation we are currently in.
If there is some master plan at the end of it (apart from tanking) i will be pleasantly surprised, but if it continued next year then i am sorry Bolton and his cohorts are not the man for us.


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Blue Vain wrote:
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Gibbs and Doc are the outs,.
Murphy and Marchbank the others with some merit.


Some merit? :lol:
Reigning B&F, our best user forward of centre and would easily walk into every other team in the AFL.
You wouldnt have a @#$%&! clue.


Where have the rest of your injured stars gone, conveniently cut.
Maybe missing with the rebuild, or the lack of mid twenty year old campaigners.
What is next weeks excuse, or are we done for now?


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Dont deflect.
To suggest Marc Murphy isn't a significant injury to the team is embarrassing. You're either taking the piss or you have no idea.
If you cant push your agenda without making foolish statements, perhaps you should re-assess the validity of your agenda.

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Dont deflect.
To suggest Marc Murphy isn't a significant injury to the team is embarrassing. You're either taking the piss or you have no idea.
If you cant push your agenda without making foolish statements, perhaps you should re-assess the validity of your agenda.



You deflected the by cutting most of my post and not taking all the statement as a whole.
I didn't say injuries don't have an impact on performance at all but you can't just blame injuries for the way we have played.
By including Simpson and Plowman in your injury equation goes to show it's not as prevalent as you make out and the others are not proven players as yet and can be interchangeable.
If you don't agree with me that's fine I'm not going to lose any sleep over it but cutting half a post to push a point lessens your argument not mine.


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Gibbs and Doc are the outs,.
Murphy and Marchbank the others with some merit.
Simmo 1 game, Plowman the rest of the year.
The others haven't even proven consistent best 22.
Just like the rest of the comp you lose players you pick up players.
If your coach and his support staff can't adjust then they might not just be up for the fight, hey just like our team that got embarrassed by the second last team on the weekend.
Was that one you were counting on being a win.


With the list rebuild, how can you say who is our best 22? My bet is it will be quite a bit different to Bolts list

We haven't gone into any game this year with the same players, and only 2 games for the entire year where we haven't had to make changes due to injury. Couple this to the huge player turnover and the task of having all these player learning game plan and chemistry with each other there is no much more the coach can do.

No coach in the comp has had to deal with the level of player turnover and injuries particularly to the defensive group (of which every player/coach in history has repeatedly noted the importance of consistency and chemistry in the back six) as Bolts has had to and yet you say he is not up for the fight :oops:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:48 pm 
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Geoff Southby
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Steve_C7 wrote:
redback wrote:

Gibbs and Doc are the outs,.
Murphy and Marchbank the others with some merit.
Simmo 1 game, Plowman the rest of the year.
The others haven't even proven consistent best 22.
Just like the rest of the comp you lose players you pick up players.
If your coach and his support staff can't adjust then they might not just be up for the fight, hey just like our team that got embarrassed by the second last team on the weekend.
Was that one you were counting on being a win.


With the list rebuild, how can you say who is our best 22? My bet is it will be quite a bit different to Bolts list

We haven't gone into any game this year with the same players, and only 2 games for the entire year where we haven't had to make changes due to injury. Couple this to the huge player turnover and the task of having all these player learning game plan and chemistry with each other there is no much more the coach can do.

No coach in the comp has had to deal with the level of player turnover and injuries particularly to the defensive group (of which every player/coach in history has repeatedly noted the importance of consistency and chemistry in the back six) as Bolts has had to and yet you say he is not up for the fight :oops:


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I think all this attacking of the coaching and recruiting departments, especially when they have only had 3 years to perform the biggest list overhaul in the AFLs history, shows a lack of understanding of the modern game and how fine the line is to be a success or total failure.

I remember having breakfast in April 2014 with some friends and they brought a relative along who happened to be Nick Daffy (Assistant coach for Malthouse with the NBs). He told me at breakfast that Carlton had the worst list that he had ever seen and there was no talent in the twos. I had to disagree and started to ask about a heap of players that have now moved on from AFL. In hindsight he was spot on the money.

This alone is enough reason for SOS to come in and draft all the GWS "rejects", because they were all better than the list we had. The media and some supporters don't want to see they were brought in to bring up the base talent on the list. Some have been great, others, well they're not there anymore and apart from a couple they were mostly not brought in to be elite A graders.

With all the injuries we've had especially to the back 6 as Steve has stated, it's no wonder we are where we are this year. Not even top clubs can handle that many injuries and you only have to look as far as Adelaide to see this. We have a midfield that lacks depth and experience and an unsettled backline, I'm actually surprised we haven't been flogged more this year.

The team is still shallow on talent and the real talent we have are still only kids, patience, more drafting, some good trading and a good run from injuries and things will turn pretty quick for us. The list as a whole is better than it was in 2014.


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