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R10: Carlton Vs North Melbourne Post Match Discussion
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Author:  cimm1979 [ Sun May 28, 2017 9:42 pm ]
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Charlie Curnows first half was pretty @#$%&! special.
Author:  Lucky [ Sun May 28, 2017 10:01 pm ]
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Good to see Waite is still a flog


The perfect word to describe Waite is "flog". I was at the match and it was disappointing, but at least they didn't fold completely like they did in the past. There was actually a match to watch and I felt a glimmer of hope that we might win. Hopefully these are all stepping stones to a better and brighter future after having endured the Trojan horse that was Mick Sh!thouse for 2 & half years.
Author:  SurreyBlue [ Sun May 28, 2017 10:05 pm ]
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kezza wrote:
Terrible start, faded late but fantastic in between.
Kreuzer has to stay.
What is going on with Weitering? Has had a very ordinary year so far.
Kids showed plenty so lots to look forward to.
Waite still a flog and still chasing that flag.


Definitely has a case of 2nd year blues. Hope the break comes at a good time for him.
Felt he directly contributed to 3 of the 1st 5 goals that North kicked....ouch...
but his only a kid still and will get all that together. I prefer he plays forward to support Cassy but I also want Jaksch in the team to support Cassy.....hell I'll take anyone in the team to support Cassy at the moment. We won't win many games with only Cass our key forward.
Author:  moshe25 [ Sun May 28, 2017 10:25 pm ]
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jim wrote:
Great, gutsy comeback but it was our own fault we ran out of puff after that start. If we held on it would've been our 2nd biggest comeback ever.

Reckon we were one key forward light. A number of times we could've gone into an open 50 but lacked a tall bloke to go one on one. Hence we chipped it in and mucked it up a few times. An extra tall forward might've got us over the line.

So we were one tall short?

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Author:  Crippa [ Sun May 28, 2017 10:26 pm ]
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From his very first senior game I have wanted Graham to succeed. I don't even know why I've wanted it so bad to be honest. But sadly im starting to concede he is capable of dominating at VFL level but only just scrape through at AFL level.
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Sun May 28, 2017 10:41 pm ]
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So many silly decisions and errors from him today.
Not part of the Long term future
Author:  mjs [ Mon May 29, 2017 12:12 am ]
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Crippa wrote:
From his very first senior game I have wanted Graham to succeed. I don't even know why I've wanted it so bad to be honest. But sadly im starting to concede he is capable of dominating at VFL level but only just scrape through at AFL level.

Like Carrazzo, Graham is Italian for "turnover"
Author:  JackWorrall [ Mon May 29, 2017 5:40 am ]
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I'm not feeling as warm & fuzzy as some. The first 30 minutes were disgraceful. And I was almost as disappointed with the last 10 minutes. I know we're a young team, coming off the WA trip etc etc, but North were begging to be beaten at the start of the last quarter and we let them off the hook.

North are flat track bullies. They folded like deck chairs when we got our shit together defensively and started to tackle.

We should never have been in the position we were in at quarter time, but compounding it was our failure to show sufficient resolve when the game was there to be taken in the last.

As Bolts says, we need to be a no excuse football club. Some of our kids need to contribute more for longer.

Positives - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Cunningham, COS, Doc, Charlie.


A lot of truth to this, and maybe this game was a bit of a turning point. If our blokes had turned up in the first quarter we would've won, and I get a feeling this might've been the feeling in the rooms after the game.

When I look at our team, I see a spread of quality that's been absent for years. Williamson, Cuningham, Macreadie, Fisher, SPS, Silvagni, Weitering, Curnow and Marchbank all showed good quality, intensity and decision making today. Yes they were inconsistent, but I've got no doubt that Bolton is the right coach to continue their development, and in particular not allow a loser mentality to fester.


PS: can we stop the @#$%&! whinging about the umpires.
Author:  Donstuie [ Mon May 29, 2017 7:54 am ]
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no...
Author:  Rexy [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:20 am ]
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The umps aren't that friendly to us but we're sounding like Eagles supporters lately... BOOO
Author:  daggs001 [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:27 am ]
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Crippa wrote:
From his very first senior game I have wanted Graham to succeed. I don't even know why I've wanted it so bad to be honest. But sadly im starting to concede he is capable of dominating at VFL level but only just scrape through at AFL level.


Cuningham looked a class above VFL level this year as well and despite it being early days, he just
appears to have the tools to help him translate that to the AFL . Graham has had several opportunities at AFL level and just doesn't appear to have the smarts.
Cuningham will overtake Graham soon if he hasn't already.
Author:  Blue Vain [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:36 am ]
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I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.
Author:  kennyhunter [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:47 am ]
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Ultimately we failed but that adds to your comment last week I think BV that rival coaches are struggling to break down Bolts' defensive set ups. The Roos went in with a plan that worked but we were able to adjust and counter. Plan B and all that.
Bodes well for when we have the (more experienced) cattle to better execute and maintain the game plan(s).
Author:  cimm1979 [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:56 am ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.


It will be interesting to see that if, in a future game, a similar sort of circumstances occur that Bolts and co are able to bring in that change in tactic mid-quarter.

It must be hard at the moment to set the pieces with so much inexperience, but as the side matures this kind of adjustment might be able to be implemented as the game is being played.
Author:  choo [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:00 am ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.


Try explaining that to Luke Darcy
Author:  moshe25 [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:09 am ]
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choo wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.


Try explaining that to Luke Darcy

He'd have to say it again...... and again..... and again..... and again....

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Author:  cimm1979 [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:11 am ]
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moshe25 wrote:
choo wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.


Try explaining that to Luke Darcy

He'd have to say it again...... and again..... and again..... and again....

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....and lots of butchers paper and crayon.
Author:  Blue Vain [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:13 am ]
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choo wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I thought the tactics of the match were fascinating to watch. North prepared well for a loose defender early and matching up Docherty worked well for them. They separated our defence well and as a consequence, they took plenty of inside 50 marks and capitalised on their entries. We also missed the big body of Rowe. Early on their goals scored for forward 50 entry ratio was far too high.
They also moved the ball quickly which didn't enable us to set up defensively as well as we have previously.

Mid/late second quarter it all turned around. We set up with 8 defenders and another 2 defensive side of the wing. That left us with 4 players in our half of the ground. 2 on the attacking side of the wing and 2 on the half forward flanks. No one in the corridor. The key seemed to be kicking wide from the stoppages and trapping the ball on our forward flanks. That allowed us to re-set our defensive structure.
The North players didn't adapt. They left 3 defenders loose but they guarded space that we weren't using. Meanwhile our extras in defence rebounded whenever the ball came near them and ran to support with the extra numbers.
I thought it was very well done by Bolton and the coaching staff. Brad Scott and his crew went in with a plan and we threw it out the window.
It was probably a couple of errors that cost us momentum and to be honest, a few of the youngsters are struggling to have enough impact at the moment.

Full credit to our senior/experienced players. For the clubs sake, they're probably carrying more than their share of the load and doing it magnificently well. Kruezer made the AFL's best ruckman of recent years look second rate. Plenty of disappointment but plenty to like.


Try explaining that to Luke Darcy


Or Brian Taylor. He looked at the set up and claimed North had dropped players back. :grin: If he had any idea, he would have seen 5 North defenders and 2 Carlton forwards. Lucky the viewers have BT sharing his great knowledge. Oh boy, wowee!
Author:  ryan2000 [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:27 am ]
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Am i being a sore looser or was the umpiring completely pathetic yesterday?


- Kreuzer's best game in maybe forever.
- Gibbs was electric
- Simmo is gonna be missed when he retires.
- Cunningham showed some promising signs.
- Docherty needs to be our next Captain i reckon.
Author:  The Normal One [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 am ]
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dadadadada wrote:
First point of entry into the forward line is an issue ... as is our run and spread around tight areas


Cuningham showed how much value he can add fulfilling this role into the future. Looked quick and light on his feet. Very positive game from him.




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