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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Please grow up.

Every goal they got from a free was a FREE. A couple on first viewing I thought harsh but on replay they were all there.

Compare the way the Freo player (Johnson?) defended SOJ in the first quarter to what our blokes did every time they were under pressure from a high ball. He put a little bit of body on Silvagni but not enough to draw a free. Silvagni took a fine mark considering the pelting rain, then missed. Carlton players in the same defensive situation grabbed their opponents (even for perhaps 1-2 seconds). Don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Thought Willo was easily the pick of the kids

Gibbs Murph Cripps Graham all at 61% efficiency or under - a result of Freo pressure after qtr time

Jack at 50% and Wright at 59% efficiency as forwards - no good

Plow had 3 horrendous turnovers but was our cleanest at 89% and Weiters was great with 17 disposals at 76%, game high 8 1%ers


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:40 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Thought Willo was easily the pick of the kids

Gibbs Murph Cripps Graham all at 61% efficiency or under - a result of Freo pressure after qtr time

Jack at 50% and Wright at 59% efficiency as forwards - no good

Plow had 3 horrendous turnovers but was our cleanest at 89% and Weiters was great with 17 disposals at 76%, game high 8 1%ers

Jack is a far worse shot for goal than Levi.
He does good stuff around the ground but as a small forward he needs to make more of his chances.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:41 pm 
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Positives: another game into Weitering, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Marchbank, SPS, Williamson and Fisher.

Our skillful start early on while it was still fairly dry.

Negatives: early injuries to Rowe and Thomas.

Didn't adjust when the intensity from Freo went up or when the weather changed.

The disgusting umpiring

Not having another KPF in place of Weitering when he went back, meaning Levi was our only true KPF and also had to play 2nd ruck.

Getting torched by small forwards yet again due to an overly tall defence.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:42 pm 
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Although I'm in the Weitering forward camp. Nice for him to get a turn in defence, and be one of our better players.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:47 pm 
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Not sure where the Kreuzer hate is coming from.

He beat Sandilands pointless in the first quarter, Sandilands slowly got on top in the hit outs from that point on, but Kreuzer never stopped competing and in the last quarter was still having an impact.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:52 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Not sure where the Kreuzer hate is coming from. He beat Sandilands pointless in the first quarter, Sandilands slowly got on top in the hit outs from that point on, but Kreuzer never stopped competing and in the last quarter was still having an impact.


His form has been terrific around the ground. But he's getting smashed at centre bounces at the moment. Makes it hard when you're always having to start from your defensive 50.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:00 pm 
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20 v 22 for a half.
SPS and Cuni invisible after the first quarter.
Lyon shut down our plan after getting a good look at it.
Graham and Plow have nightmare games.
SOS kicked poorly. We also seem to attack better when he is not there. The half we played when he got injured a month back and the following week were the best we looked going forward.

Good effort today but once we were 2 men down we were done.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:14 pm 
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2 down makes is very unlikely, and with a young list, very, very unlikely.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:15 pm 
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we were 5 men down

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:17 pm 
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Too many errors cost us yet again.
Once we went 2 men down early in the 3rd term, we were never going to win in those sorts of conditions.
Confused as to why Murph was being booed by some fans.
Get Sav to put some time into Jack.
Plowman cost us with some crucial errors.
SPS, Charlie, and a couple other kids were virtually invisible
Graham reminded me why I didnt see him in our future plans.
Michael Walters' over celebrating really gave me the s**ts.
The scoreboard flattered Freo in the end.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Very much a work in progress. Complaining about officials is not accepting the fact that we were not good enough, yet. All the elements of the game we did not do well, bad kicking, turnovers and poor tackling have all been mentioned in this thread. Umpires had nothing to do with that. Plus the injury factor of course.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Its a taxing game style.
You need to do a lot of running to create space for the short kick.
That combined with a lot of youth it is no surprise that we fade in 2nd half of games.
Last quarters have generally not been good.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:35 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Not sure where the Kreuzer hate is coming from. He beat Sandilands pointless in the first quarter, Sandilands slowly got on top in the hit outs from that point on, but Kreuzer never stopped competing and in the last quarter was still having an impact.


His form has been terrific around the ground. But he's getting smashed at centre bounces at the moment. Makes it hard when you're always having to start from your defensive 50.



39 hitouts to Sandilands to 26 hitouts to Kreuzer is hardly a smashing.


Kreuzer did very well, and better than most rucks versus Sandilands.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:40 pm 
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Umpires can still be, and generally are, pathetic, even when we don't play well. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Just because we play poorly doesn't let them off the hook. They are shit.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:16 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Umpires can still be, and generally are, pathetic, even when we don't play well. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Just because we play poorly doesn't let them off the hook. They are shit.



Why don't you take it up and prove how easy it is?

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:21 pm 
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Back from the game.

Was hoping getting drenched would be worth it but not to be.

Initial observations without seeing any footage, reports or stats:

Extremely promising start but thought their midfield killed us from about half way through the second quarter onwards. Too much first use, especially centre bounedowns, and we were in serious trouble from there. Especially as we continually broke down at half forward.

Murph was great but needs help.

Williamson is already our best kick.

Love Kruezers workrate.

Thought our backline, a key asset, made too many crucial errors today.

Levi giving away frees in marking contests is highly frustrating.

So is continually kicking to their backs (in the second half).

Two down for a half certainly didn't help.

Nor did the atrocious umpiring. They should at least provide us some Vaseline. FMD.

Didn't notice Cunningham much tbh. I suspect his contributions will be more noticeable on the replay.

We got glimpses from the 'young guns' but not much else.

Needed a better game from Crippa.

Walters hurt us but his overcelebrating irks me.

Certainly weren't embarrassed but ultimately a pretty disappointing game.

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:51 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Not sure where the Kreuzer hate is coming from. He beat Sandilands pointless in the first quarter, Sandilands slowly got on top in the hit outs from that point on, but Kreuzer never stopped competing and in the last quarter was still having an impact.


His form has been terrific around the ground. But he's getting smashed at centre bounces at the moment. Makes it hard when you're always having to start from your defensive 50.


39 hitouts to Sandilands to 26 hitouts to Kreuzer is hardly a smashing. Kreuzer did very well, and better than most rucks versus Sandilands.


Kreuzer's pretty competitive at throw ins and ball ups around the ground. But he's getting smashed at centre clearances, because he's undersized and can't jump. Even the coach commented that centre clearances (along with costly turnovers at half back) was one of our big problems today.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:56 pm 
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I'd have to watch the replay but it looked as simple as:

Execution
Discipline
Rotations

Our defence repels so many attacks it's ridiculous. To single out Plowman isn't fair when he had to be involved in so much.

We have no x factor in the forward line. There's either a mark and goal or something freakish. Very rarely does one of our forwards do something mesmerising and leave the opposition defenders scratching their heads.

Freo's match ups were always going to be challenging for us. Once the rain fell, our kicking game fell apart and Freo ground us down.

Kreuzer was noticeably beaten at critical times. Sandi just too big for him.

Blakely was pretty handy for them today.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 12:07 am 
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Effes wrote:
Could have (should have?) been 5-6 goals up early.

Not helped by losing a couple of rotations early. Then Cripps hampered by injury.

Rowe played and Thomas

Not helped by atrocious umpiring.

Inability to make anything of the inside 50s. No small forwards applying pressure. Fremantle able to sweep the ball out with ease.

Poor conversion from Jack Silvagni in the first half.

Kreuzer torched by Sandilands in the second quarter very costly.

Plowman a few shocking errors - running too far was very costly.

Do SPS and Charlie need a run in the reserves?

Another week where a small forward torched us. It seems Plowman was the match up on Walters. Recruitment needs to focus on a lockdown small defender and quick small forward who will apply pressure.


Plowman was on Crozier in the 2 qtr....


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