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R2: Melbourne Vs Carlton Post Match Discussion
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Author:  Effes [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  R2: Melbourne Vs Carlton Post Match Discussion
R2: Melbourne Vs Carlton Post Match Discussion
Author:  Donstuie [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:47 pm ]
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MVP open
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Author:  Taff [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:49 pm ]
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We need desperately need another strong forward - JK anyone? Is Harry ready?
Author:  Blueboy_Dan [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:50 pm ]
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Hugely disappointed in our senior players.

Hugely impressed with our youngsters.
Author:  bluebo baggers [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:50 pm ]
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Bad turnovers from Murph and Smedts led to goals.

Kills you every time as does butchering it going inside fwd 50.

Lots to like and expected to lose but reckon our back 6 was pretty good.

Cripps immense.

Bring on the drug cheats.
Author:  Donstuie [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:52 pm ]
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Hugely disappointed in our senior players.

Hugely impressed with our youngsters.

Hopefully games like this show our youngsters that future success depends on them, and that this senior group cannot take them much further.
Author:  Arnhem blues [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:53 pm ]
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For me, apart from shocking turnovers at times, it was much better. We were always outnumbered and never looked like taking a pack mark in F50 (apart from casbolt and thomas ones). they just waited for us to turn it over at the f50 and bounced it back for all one on ones, with their forwards looking much more dangerous. Cripps lifted, kruze battled hard, Plow, Marchbank and weltering did well. Gibbs did better as the game went on.
Smedts didn't really seem to do much - but may just have missed him, pickett quiet, charlie falling way below pre season expectations. Wright impressively accurate. Ed battled well i thought.
Another 2 mids and more from our forwards....
Author:  Effes [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:55 pm ]
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Lewis striking Cripps

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Author:  jim [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:56 pm ]
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I get scared when we have the ball. When you get it 250 times a games that's alot of stress.

Our disposal, decision making etc, lost it for us alot more so than Melbourne won it.
Author:  MPH78 [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:57 pm ]
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Lots to like especially from the youngsters.

Also lots to hate, mainly from the senior players.

That's our lot right now.

Have too many that butcher the ball. Horrible turnovers that cost goals killed us.

Not convinced we work as hard as we should either.

In the end, we should be filthy we didn't pinch that. Which is progress in itself.

Armfield White and Cas surely on their last legs?
Author:  Donstuie [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:57 pm ]
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Effes wrote:
Lewis striking Cripps

Image

#goodbloke
Author:  Blue4ever [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:57 pm ]
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Some really good signs from our youngsters, strange game in the sense our better players were our youngsters. Murphy had a shocker.
Author:  MIL [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:00 pm ]
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Very similar pattern to last week.....slow start.....not much pressure (low tackle count).....good 3rd Q with pressure increased....then faded without a whimper last half of the last.

Our senior guys are not up to it, or at least on this year's form. It's the kids who are showing something.

Not sure Charlie C is up to it yet. Low posies 2 weeks in a row and no tackles. Drop him back to VFL to find the footy.

Hopefully the GC will get their arse in gear and Freo win enough home games to give us the Spoon.
Author:  bondiblue [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:00 pm ]
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Great team effort to hit the front!

Can't blame Bolton for:

Murphy turnover goal
Smedts turnover goal
Simpsons broken tackle goal
Plowmans broken tackle goal
Docherty caught free goal

...and that's just in the last 15 minutes

Thomas turnover goal
Docherty turnover goal
Curnows turnover goal
etc etc...you get it.

Turnovers kills us.

I have to say for the first time...
Murphy is a disappointing captain TBH.
I couldn't believe I said that.
Lacked poise. Lacked confidence to take them on.
Didn't break lines instead took easy option backwards
Didn't go in when it counted.

The problem is not Bolton.

Wasn't Bolton's fault when:

Sammo couldn't chase anymore
Simmo couldn't keep up the chase
Silvagni couldn't jump
Charlie couldn't go on with it.

I could go on.

Delivery was a problem

Was a valiant effort, a t wasn't the kids.

Thomas tried hard, but he's not the future.

Rowe Marchbank Plowman Docherty were great in defence.

We need to find replacements NEXT YEAR for:

Simpson...maybe...coz he surprised me last year
White
Thomas
Casboult
Armfield
Smedts

and maybe Kreuzer as a FA who fought well in 2nd half but got a spanking in the first half.

Oh well.

I guess the point is, the players turned it over not the coach
Author:  dannyboy [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:00 pm ]
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I hope by the end of the year Casboult, Armfield, Thomas and White have been replaced. I think the whole side shudders when they have the ball.
Author:  MIL [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:01 pm ]
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Blue4ever wrote:
Some really good signs from our youngsters, strange game in the sense our better players were our youngsters. Murphy had a shocker.


I agree but 32 possies....our highest :eek:

It's just his errors and our high expectations that make him seem mediocre.
Author:  jim [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:02 pm ]
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Taff wrote:
We need desperately need another strong forward - JK anyone? Is Harry ready?


We do but who'd volunteer to play forward for us the way we bring it into the F50.

Anyway, play McKay forward with Weitering and leave Levi to focus on the 2nd ruck role. He took 8-9 marks despite that awful 3rd qtr. He's just not a natural forward. Doesn't run, lead or know where to position himself. Just a contested marking ruck type, something more suited to his abilities.

Thing is we need more midfield run so we can get one outs in the F50. Then we might kick a few goals.
Author:  Effes [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:02 pm ]
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-Cripps the most clearances and contested possessions on the ground
-Pretty good game from Murphy except that poor kick on his left
-Marchbank and Macreadie good
-Wright excellent finishing
-Curnow a good tag on Lewis
-Glimpses from SPS and Pickett

Still the wrong matchups down back. Plowman on Petracca and Petracca finishes with 9 marks. Too mobile for him.
Author:  Blue Sombrero [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:04 pm ]
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Momentun is everything.

Jack Silvagni will play a lot of footy for us but if he isn't getting a lot of it, he has to take his chances. He misses from 40 out dif which would have put us about 15 in front. It goes down the other end and we get the Murphy turnover and instead of 15 points it's 4.

We did everything to win the game and then did everything to lose it in the last.

I thought we might get up at one stage which was more than I had thought mid week.

People bagging Smedts. He had a big first quarter when we were watching the opposition run away with the footy. He will be better for the run.
McReadie has to stay in. He is built like a stick but looks like he will make it.
Marchbank is a real find.
SPS had another ordinary game even though after he kicked that goal he had a little patch. He will be better for the run.
Pickett goes OK and will be better for the run
Weitering carries a lot of expectations on his shoulders. Courageous player.
Charlie doesn't look ready yet.
Cripps was the player their coach was worried about at half time and right on cue gets poleaxed by Lewis. There has to be weeks in that as there should be for the left jab from Hogan. Both Carlton players went to ground and stayed there so there can be no question of lack of force.
Simmo quiet again.
Plowman will make it.

I was disappointed to lose in the end so I must be pleased overall with the performance.

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall after the game and listen to Bolton with the players. He wasn't happy with a lot of that last quarter with reason.

We are a chance next week.
Author:  MIL [ Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:06 pm ]
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Effes wrote:
Lewis striking Cripps

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Didn't see it ( in Ho Chi Min City) but both feet off ground there and contact with forearm to head is at least 2 weeks. Dirty dog like Hodge and always done at crucial times to win games. Shame we've got no one to do that stuff :grin:
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