TalkingCarlton :: View topic - stronger midfield?

I suspect he's not the most talented player in the draft pool, but I'm become increasingly convinced that we'll be taking Sam Walsh with our first pick in this year's draft. I think his all-round package of elite character, leadership, athleticism and output will won the day.

Pretty exciting to think of a core future midfield built around the elite talent and character of Cripps, Dow and Walsh. And if we can add another 2 through draft/trade into our midfield mix (Shiel? O'Halloran?), I think we're finally on our way. Not that we'll be ready to match it with the hardened, mature midfields. But at least we'll well and truly have the necessary building blocks for 2020-2021.

3 core midfielders
Cripps
Dow
Walsh

secondary midfielders
Shiel?
SPS
Fisher
Kennedy

others in the mix/rotation
O'Brien
Docherty?
Lang
Ed
Murphy
our 2nd pick
Cuningham

Stefchook wrote:

Looks good Stef. He would be a classy choice. If we can somehow get Rankine as well and some mature mids then whooh!!

Stefchook wrote:

I personally think the midfield will be:

3 core midfielders
Cripps
Shiel?
Kennedy (tagging role)

secondary midfielders
Walsh?
Setterfield
Dow
SPS
Fisher

others in the mix/rotation
O'Brien
Lang
Ed (tagging role)
Cunningham
Pickett
Polson
Garlett

Murphy needs to be on the wing or half forward for the easy possessions but accurate kick to advantage/goal.
Doc needs to be the general off half back to create our attack out of defence.

A question for you people out there!!
With the delisting of Kerridge and Graham does it leave our very young midfield to exposed? Considering they were call on for 10 games each this year?
I completely get they are not our future!
Leaving only Cripps and Ed Curnow as mature midfielders??

17premierships wrote:

Hopefully Kennedy and Setterfield can help cover that area.

We will need Kennedy and Setterfield to play lots of minutes in lots of games, which they should be able to do.

but too many of our kids just didn't get enough of it last year.

Couple really do need to pull the finger out possession wise.

cimm1979 wrote:

That would be because they are young, undeveloped and lacked support from senior personnel around them.
Maybe you/we are expecting too much from the young, who should be playing in the reserves if not ready for senior footy.

Having said that, I am expecting a lot more from ALL of the 3rd and 4th year players in 2019:

3rd year: Fisher, Macreadie, Williamson, SPS, Polson, Kerr, DeBois, Setterfield
4th year: Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Marchbank, Cuningham, Silvagni, Kennedy, Pickett, Garlett, Lang

If 70% step up by 10%, we have a team who can win plenty of games.

We are going to need several players to have break out seasons!!
Lots of quality still very young....(Age) at the start of the 2019 season

Dow (19) 20 games
Obrein (19) 18 games
SPS (21) 42 games
Kennedy (21) 31 games
Fisher (20) 34 games
Cuningham (22) 16 games

Settlefield (21) 2 games

Walsh (18) 0 games

Murphy (31) 249 games
Ed Curnow (29) 143 games
Cripps (24) 81 games

Docherty (25) 92 games Could play midfield depending on strength of half back line

Did not include Polson, Lang or Silvangi as they are played predominately in other positions

It’s interesting to see that Kennedy has played less games than either Fisher or SPS, it always seemed to me that he was more experienced the way he was spoken about.

Personally, I’d like to see Murph on the wing opposite of Simmo or even as a half forward. He’s had a few injuries now and they need to put some protective measures in place to keep him playing on for a few more years. Plus his ability to hit targets in the forward line is the best in the team. So why would we risk him in the middle anymore when there are other players that can play the midfield role?

Author:	bluegirl72 [ Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:41 pm ]
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Stefchook wrote: I suspect he's not the most talented player in the draft pool, but I'm become increasingly convinced that we'll be taking Sam Walsh with our first pick in this year's draft. I think his all-round package of elite character, leadership, athleticism and output will won the day. Pretty exciting to think of a core future midfield built around the elite talent and character of Cripps, Dow and Walsh. And if we can add another 2 through draft/trade into our midfield mix (Shiel? O'Halloran?), I think we're finally on our way. Not that we'll be ready to match it with the hardened, mature midfields. But at least we'll well and truly have the necessary building blocks for 2020-2021. 3 core midfielders Cripps Dow Walsh secondary midfielders Shiel? SPS Fisher Kennedy others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Docherty? Lang Ed Murphy our 2nd pick Cuningham Looks good Stef. He would be a classy choice. If we can somehow get Rankine as well and some mature mids then whooh!!

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:30 am ]
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bluegirl72 wrote: Stefchook wrote: I suspect he's not the most talented player in the draft pool, but I'm become increasingly convinced that we'll be taking Sam Walsh with our first pick in this year's draft. I think his all-round package of elite character, leadership, athleticism and output will won the day. Pretty exciting to think of a core future midfield built around the elite talent and character of Cripps, Dow and Walsh. And if we can add another 2 through draft/trade into our midfield mix (Shiel? O'Halloran?), I think we're finally on our way. Not that we'll be ready to match it with the hardened, mature midfields. But at least we'll well and truly have the necessary building blocks for 2020-2021. 3 core midfielders Cripps Dow Walsh secondary midfielders Shiel? SPS Fisher Kennedy others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Docherty? Lang Ed Murphy our 2nd pick Cuningham Looks good Stef. He would be a classy choice. If we can somehow get Rankine as well and some mature mids then whooh!! Yer dreamin'

Author:	Sidefx [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:48 am ]
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Stefchook wrote: I suspect he's not the most talented player in the draft pool, but I'm become increasingly convinced that we'll be taking Sam Walsh with our first pick in this year's draft. I think his all-round package of elite character, leadership, athleticism and output will won the day. Pretty exciting to think of a core future midfield built around the elite talent and character of Cripps, Dow and Walsh. And if we can add another 2 through draft/trade into our midfield mix (Shiel? O'Halloran?), I think we're finally on our way. Not that we'll be ready to match it with the hardened, mature midfields. But at least we'll well and truly have the necessary building blocks for 2020-2021. 3 core midfielders Cripps Dow Walsh secondary midfielders Shiel? SPS Fisher Kennedy others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Docherty? Lang Ed Murphy our 2nd pick Cuningham I personally think the midfield will be: 3 core midfielders Cripps Shiel? Kennedy (tagging role) secondary midfielders Walsh? Setterfield Dow SPS Fisher others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Lang Ed (tagging role) Cunningham Pickett Polson Garlett Murphy needs to be on the wing or half forward for the easy possessions but accurate kick to advantage/goal. Doc needs to be the general off half back to create our attack out of defence.

Author:	carntheblues [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:39 pm ]
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Sidefx wrote: Stefchook wrote: I suspect he's not the most talented player in the draft pool, but I'm become increasingly convinced that we'll be taking Sam Walsh with our first pick in this year's draft. I think his all-round package of elite character, leadership, athleticism and output will won the day. Pretty exciting to think of a core future midfield built around the elite talent and character of Cripps, Dow and Walsh. And if we can add another 2 through draft/trade into our midfield mix (Shiel? O'Halloran?), I think we're finally on our way. Not that we'll be ready to match it with the hardened, mature midfields. But at least we'll well and truly have the necessary building blocks for 2020-2021. 3 core midfielders Cripps Dow Walsh secondary midfielders Shiel? SPS Fisher Kennedy others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Docherty? Lang Ed Murphy our 2nd pick Cuningham I personally think the midfield will be: 3 core midfielders Cripps Shiel? Kennedy (tagging role) secondary midfielders Walsh? Setterfield Dow SPS Fisher others in the mix/rotation O'Brien Lang Ed (tagging role) Cunningham Pickett Polson Garlett Murphy needs to be on the wing or half forward for the easy possessions but accurate kick to advantage/goal. Doc needs to be the general off half back to create our attack out of defence. I think the core midfielders will be Cripps, Shiel and Dow. You then have Kennedy, Fisher and Setterfield as the second group. This gives us one midfield bull mixed with explosive midfielders; I like it. Walsh, Murph, O'Brien, Cunningham, Ed can all move through the wings

Author:	17premierships [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:42 pm ]
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A question for you people out there!! With the delisting of Kerridge and Graham does it leave our very young midfield to exposed? Considering they were call on for 10 games each this year? I completely get they are not our future! Leaving only Cripps and Ed Curnow as mature midfielders??

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Author:	sinbagger [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:08 pm ]
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17premierships wrote: A question for you people out there!! With the delisting of Kerridge and Graham does it leave our very young midfield to exposed? Considering they were call on for 10 games each this year? I completely get they are not our future! Leaving only Cripps and Ed Curnow as mature midfielders?? Hopefully Kennedy and Setterfield can help cover that area.

Author:	bondiblue [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:58 pm ]
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sinbagger wrote: 17premierships wrote: A question for you people out there!! With the delisting of Kerridge and Graham does it leave our very young midfield to exposed? Considering they were call on for 10 games each this year? I completely get they are not our future! Leaving only Cripps and Ed Curnow as mature midfielders?? Hopefully Kennedy and Setterfield can help cover that area. A fit Kennedy will help big time. I think Walsh as a first year player will have a Campreale type first year, without the flag, such is his quality. Big bodied mids oka mature mids is what we are after. Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Murphy and probably Silvagni will help out in that space. Inside outside players like Dow, Fisher, Setterfield, SPS will continue to improve...well that's what Im hoping. I dont think Kerridge or Graham were everr selected when we had a full bill of health. The injury list in 2018 was out of the box, and doubt will be repeated with Andrew Russell on board preparing the players over the next 6 months for 2019 and beyond

Author:	cimm1979 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:21 pm ]
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We will need Kennedy and Setterfield to play lots of minutes in lots of games, which they should be able to do. but too many of our kids just didn't get enough of it last year. Couple really do need to pull the finger out possession wise.

Author:	17premierships [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:38 pm ]
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We are going to need several players to have break out seasons!! Lots of quality still very young....(Age) at the start of the 2019 season Dow (19) 20 games Obrein (19) 18 games SPS (21) 42 games Kennedy (21) 31 games Fisher (20) 34 games Cuningham (22) 16 games Settlefield (21) 2 games Walsh (18) 0 games Murphy (31) 249 games Ed Curnow (29) 143 games Cripps (24) 81 games Docherty (25) 92 games Could play midfield depending on strength of half back line Did not include Polson, Lang or Silvangi as they are played predominately in other positions

Author:	bondiblue [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:06 am ]
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cimm1979 wrote: We will need Kennedy and Setterfield to play lots of minutes in lots of games, which they should be able to do. but too many of our kids just didn't get enough of it last year. Couple really do need to pull the finger out possession wise. That would be because they are young, undeveloped and lacked support from senior personnel around them. Maybe you/we are expecting too much from the young, who should be playing in the reserves if not ready for senior footy. Having said that, I am expecting a lot more from ALL of the 3rd and 4th year players in 2019: 3rd year: Fisher, Macreadie, Williamson, SPS, Polson, Kerr, DeBois, Setterfield 4th year: Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Marchbank, Cuningham, Silvagni, Kennedy, Pickett, Garlett, Lang If 70% step up by 10%, we have a team who can win plenty of games.

Author:	Chitty's Finger [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:42 am ]
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bondiblue wrote: cimm1979 wrote: We will need Kennedy and Setterfield to play lots of minutes in lots of games, which they should be able to do. but too many of our kids just didn't get enough of it last year. Couple really do need to pull the finger out possession wise. That would be because they are young, undeveloped and lacked support from senior personnel around them. Maybe you/we are expecting too much from the young, who should be playing in the reserves if not ready for senior footy. Having said that, I am expecting a lot more from ALL of the 3rd and 4th year players in 2019: 3rd year: Fisher, Macreadie, Williamson, SPS, Polson, Kerr, DeBois, Setterfield 4th year: Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Marchbank, Cuningham, Silvagni, Kennedy, Pickett, Garlett, Lang If 70% step up by 10%, we have a team who can win plenty of games. And our outside ball winners / ability was starved given our run ou of defence was compromised due to injury. We even had to try Murphy back in defence to get it out of the 50!

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:05 am ]
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I don’t understand and cannot comprehend why people keep leaving Murphy out of our midfield. A fit and firing Murph will be huge again in there in 2019. I see Murphy, Cripps & Kennedy as the keys. Ed will play the shutdown role and then it will be the kids....

Author:	Sidefx [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:29 am ]
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Personally, I’d like to see Murph on the wing opposite of Simmo or even as a half forward. He’s had a few injuries now and they need to put some protective measures in place to keep him playing on for a few more years. Plus his ability to hit targets in the forward line is the best in the team. So why would we risk him in the middle anymore when there are other players that can play the midfield role?

Author:	Donstuie [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:46 am ]
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IMO Murph should spend more time now up forward than in the guts, but he should stay in the rotation. I can't see his body holding up to regular midfield minutes, and the baton needs to be handed.

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Author:	sinbagger [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:15 pm ]
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17premierships wrote: We are going to need several players to have break out seasons!! Lots of quality still very young....(Age) at the start of the 2019 season Dow (19) 20 games Obrein (19) 18 games SPS (21) 42 games Kennedy (21) 31 games Fisher (20) 34 games Cuningham (22) 16 games Settlefield (21) 2 games Walsh (18) 0 games Murphy (31) 249 games Ed Curnow (29) 143 games Cripps (24) 81 games Docherty (25) 92 games Could play midfield depending on strength of half back line Did not include Polson, Lang or Silvangi as they are played predominately in other positions It’s interesting to see that Kennedy has played less games than either Fisher or SPS, it always seemed to me that he was more experienced the way he was spoken about.

Author:	steve [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:39 pm ]
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17premierships wrote: A question for you people out there!! With the delisting of Kerridge and Graham does it leave our very young midfield to exposed? Considering they were call on for 10 games each this year? I completely get they are not our future! Leaving only Cripps and Ed Curnow as mature midfielders?? At the freo Carlton game in Perth both graham and kerridge missed so many targets, it killed us. Without any malice, I am happy to see them gone. We only won 2 games this season, with a percentage in the 60s, so we can't really get worse. Time to play the kids and just get games into them.

Author:	Uncle Zel [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:29 pm ]
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So much untapped potential on our list. Need some miles in legs of our kids and we will be the super team of the 2020s

Author:	robertbb [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:57 pm ]
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sinbagger wrote: It’s interesting to see that Kennedy has played less games than either Fisher or SPS, it always seemed to me that he was more experienced the way he was spoken about. Yes. Still very young... people seem to forget we have him (and could be excused given he was out pretty much all year). Will be awesome to watch him grow alongside Setterfield!

Author:	99prelim [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:59 pm ]
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17premierships wrote: We are going to need several players to have break out seasons!! Lots of quality still very young....(Age) at the start of the 2019 season Dow (19) 20 games Obrein (19) 18 games SPS (21) 42 games Kennedy (21) 31 games Fisher (20) 34 games Cuningham (22) 16 games Settlefield (21) 2 games Walsh (18) 0 games Murphy (31) 249 games Ed Curnow (29) 143 games Cripps (24) 81 games Docherty (25) 92 games Could play midfield depending on strength of half back line Did not include Polson, Lang or Silvangi as they are played predominately in other positions Despite what others say, Newman will play some midfield as well

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:23 am ]
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Sidefx wrote: Personally, I’d like to see Murph on the wing opposite of Simmo or even as a half forward. He’s had a few injuries now and they need to put some protective measures in place to keep him playing on for a few more years. Plus his ability to hit targets in the forward line is the best in the team. So why would we risk him in the middle anymore when there are other players that can play the midfield role? I agree, am sure he will be part of the midfield rotations, but playing what he was designed to do, on the outside creating space and goals.